What the heck happened to Milton Bradley?
I'll tell you. That was weird. If there was any way we could lose that last game in the worst way possible, I want to say... That was pretty much it. I'm waiting on MLB.tv to put the archive up. So strange to watch Bradley get tossed by the ump and then tossed again by his manager. Bud Black needs to lay off the corporal punishment. All that said. I'll still root for Milton Bradley while he's a Padre. I mean... Who would I rather have... Milton Bradley or Barry Bonds? Who would I rather have... Milton Bradley or Jayson Werth?
Personally, I think Bud Black should've just let Milton bump the ump. What's the worst that could happen? Suspension? Pshaw. What's the best that could've happened? A really memorable act of violence against an umpire. And as we all know, umpires are hellspawn and deserve to die.
"Oh look at me. I'm an ump. I'm allowed to act like a prick and nobody's allowed to touch me because I'm an ump. Nobody can touch the Queen of England or umps."
I mean, really.
And for those of you who want to bag on Bradley, then that's fine too, I suppose. Just realize that you're siding with umpires. And once you start siding with umpires, the terrorists have won.
Update [2007-9-23 21:18:58 by Dex]: OK. So now the question is, what exactly was Mike Winters and/or Bobby Meacham doing to upset Bradley so much? And did you know that Mike Winters is an Aztec? And furthermore, is umpiring the most stressful job in the universe? Because he's the oldest 33 year old I've ever seen. Maybe I actually look like that and nobody's ever told me. le sigh.
Update [2007-9-23 21:41:29 by Dex]: OK I just watched it again. I'll say this. Umpires should not be called on for their opinions. As far as I'm concerned, they should be like the grass or the infield dirt. In other words, they are only there to call balls and strikes and decide if somebody's safe or not. There's no reason for Winters to respond to anything Bradley says. I don't care what any player says to an umpire. It's absolutely ridiculous for umpires to ever let their own personal biases interfere with the potential outcome of the game (and disliking somebody because they're jawing is a bias).
In a perfect world, there would not be umpires and Bradley would be whining, like the rest of us, at bad fortune to nobody in particular. Umpires should be banned from baseball.
Update [2007-9-23 23:7:10 by jbox]:
Padres.com: Bradley injured after getting tossed
Apparently Winters told the plate umpire Runge that Bradley had flipped his bat at him in the 5th inning after being called out on strikes.
They argued. Then according to Meachem, Winters called Bradley a name:
Then Winters denied what had happened:
Update [2007-9-24 12:57:55 by jbox]:
Said Meacham: "In my 26 years of baseball, that was the most disconcerting conversation I have heard from an umpire to a player. The way Winters responded was bizarre. It was almost like he wanted to agitate the situation.
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Umpires are bastards.
by sdsuaztec4 on Sep 23, 2007 5:58 PM PDT 0 recs
I'm absolutely
by Demoira on Sep 23, 2007 6:14 PM PDT 0 recs
Just re-watched it
I really hope there's some disciplinary action against Winters b/c after reviewing the tape it's really clear he instigated it.
by matto619 on Sep 23, 2007 6:18 PM PDT 0 recs
33 is his umpire number
by matto619 on Sep 23, 2007 6:23 PM PDT 0 recs
OH Thank goodness
by Dex on
Sep 23, 2007 6:43 PM PDT
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I think 33 is his number
by CurbEnthusiasm on Sep 23, 2007 6:24 PM PDT 0 recs
Meacham
by sdsuaztec4 on Sep 23, 2007 6:38 PM PDT 0 recs
it was goin down before he reached first
by Matty on Sep 23, 2007 6:48 PM PDT 0 recs
My theory on that
by matto619 on
Sep 23, 2007 6:53 PM PDT
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Bradley reminds me of another athlete...
The ump wasn't picking on him; that is absurd. MB was running his mouth and went off on one of his classic eruptions. I've seen it a dozen times. He's a jerk. He's Phil Nevin on a bad day.
by Spec20 on Sep 23, 2007 6:57 PM PDT 0 recs
And Terrel Owens
Whatever. As I said, I will root for him as long as he wears our uniform, but I will not blindly find a way to excuse his poor behavior.
by Christina on
Sep 23, 2007 7:35 PM PDT
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Err
by Phantom on Sep 23, 2007 7:51 PM PDT 0 recs
Phantom
by Drama on
Sep 23, 2007 8:05 PM PDT
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He meant comment
by jbox on
Sep 23, 2007 8:08 PM PDT
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Thanks Jbox
by Phantom on
Sep 23, 2007 8:11 PM PDT
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Sorry
by Drama on
Sep 23, 2007 8:14 PM PDT
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LOL
</non-baseball talk>
by sdsuaztec4 on Sep 23, 2007 8:04 PM PDT 0 recs
I gotta say
I don't think this is just the organization putting its best foot forward and solidarity. I think Meachem convinced the rest of the club that Bradley was legitimately wronged. I'd love to know what the "name" was.
by Phantom on Sep 23, 2007 8:33 PM PDT 0 recs
Meacham's reaction clinches it for me
Do we all wish Milton had handled it better? Of course, but why shoud he? If this ump is abusing his position, then I don't care who he dated, he's an asswipe. He talked trash to a player, apparently called him a name that set off not only the always-volatile Milton, but the always chill Meacham as well, and then lied about it. Of course, none of us really knows what was said out there, but I'll take Bobby's word over this dickhead any day of the week.
Would it have been nice if Milton had just turned the other cheek? If he's really hurt, then yes, it would have been. But that's just not the kind of man he is. You attack him, he WILL respond. I will not fault the man for sticking up for himself, and I will not bury him. What I want to know why an umpire is attacking a player in the first place. Reading Bobby's comments makes ME want to tear a piece out of someone. I can only imagine how Milton felt.
by sdgaucho on
Sep 23, 2007 9:01 PM PDT
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If this had been
I wish that Bradley hadn't gotten hurt. I wish that the umpires were mic'ed, so we could know for sure what happened. This whole situation is so unfortunate, because it made the team look bad and it injured one of our key starters. Milton could have handled the situation differently, but there is absolutely no excuse for the actions of Winters and Runge. They should be fined and punished.
by Phantom on
Sep 23, 2007 9:20 PM PDT
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Some good news...
by Drama on Sep 23, 2007 8:40 PM PDT 0 recs
I don't think I like your attitude, young man.
by Drama on
Sep 23, 2007 8:54 PM PDT
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I'm speechless at this Rockies sweep
by goose1 on Sep 23, 2007 9:10 PM PDT 0 recs
It makes me effin' sick
by TheThirdGonzalez on Sep 23, 2007 10:38 PM PDT 0 recs
Same Old Milton
I am sure this is just all a big misunderstanding. Like the time he was suspended as Dodgers for throwing bottles at fans or like the time his wife called the police for domestic violence.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/1705006.html
Poor Milton. He sure does seem to find himself in unfortunate situations.
by Timpky on Sep 23, 2007 10:38 PM PDT 0 recs
Nice article.
by TheThirdGonzalez on
Sep 23, 2007 10:40 PM PDT
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Timpky
by sdsuaztec4 on
Sep 23, 2007 10:48 PM PDT
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Also
by sdsuaztec4 on
Sep 23, 2007 10:53 PM PDT
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I concur
by TheThirdGonzalez on
Sep 23, 2007 11:57 PM PDT
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Well
The bar is set unbelievably low.
by Winfield's Ghost on
Sep 24, 2007 6:03 AM PDT
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Oops
by Winfield's Ghost on
Sep 24, 2007 7:16 AM PDT
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If that's where you stopped reading...
by Dex on
Sep 24, 2007 6:29 AM PDT
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I wanna get worked up over this
- I'm not at all surprised that an umpire might act like a jackass and antagonize a player.
- I'm not at all surprised that Bradley flew off the handle over something that started out as relatively minor.
- We failed to take advantage of losses by both PHI and AZ yesterday. That blows.
by Winfield's Ghost on Sep 24, 2007 6:01 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm only (kinda) mad about this
- Bobby's mad about it, and I think he's a fair barometer of what is right and what is wrong.
- Milton got injured by Black, and I'm generally pissed about that, regardless of the circumstances.
- We failed to capitalize on AZ and Phil losing, so this is a good distraction until the game tonight.
by Demoira on
Sep 24, 2007 6:09 AM PDT
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Meacham's doing a great job
But all Bradley had to do was shrug when Runge asked him about the bat and blow it off. He didn't need to carry the whole argument down the line to first base.
by Winfield's Ghost on
Sep 24, 2007 6:14 AM PDT
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But
While I'm not holding Milton blameless (everyone is personally responsible for their own actions) I sure as hell want to see some action taken against Winters. Umps are there to make a call and nothing else. Winters became the show when he started heckling a player.
If Winters had behaved that way toward any other player - say a "hothead" like Jake Peavy or Chris Young - all of MLB would be furious and there would be no question that Winters was in the wrong. Winters doesn't get a free pass 'cause he picked Uncle Milty to be an unprofessional jackass to. It's just not right.
by Demoira on
Sep 24, 2007 6:22 AM PDT
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I don't think so
by Dex on
Sep 24, 2007 6:24 AM PDT
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Again, this goes beyond that
by sdgaucho on
Sep 24, 2007 7:12 AM PDT
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I completely agree
But if Bradley goes to first and doesn't say a word to him, none of it happens - at least not the way it happened. What's the point of asking the guy? You think he's gonna say "No, Milton, I didn't say that. Runge's a liar. Sorry about all the confusion."?
by Winfield's Ghost on
Sep 24, 2007 7:19 AM PDT
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Aren't we a week or so from the playoffs!?!
There have been lots of good things said here about the ump saying inappropriate things to Bradley. I too am swayed by Bobby Meacham's account of what happened - that goes a long way with me. This year, more than any year I can remember, I recall many instances where umpires have been acting out of line. This is probably another one of those instances - of all the people for a Blue to start negatively chattering with, why pick team-fireball-Bradley?
But lets have some fucking composure here, Milton. The team makes or misses the playoffs in the next few weeks - this is hardly a time to be all self-righteous and get in an umpires face over accusations and name calling. Did I mention we were losing the game, too? (maybe hoplessly, but thats not the point)
And what's with struggling/resisting Bud Black? I definitely feel like Milton got more aggressive once Black started to restrain him. Hey, look at the tough guy! Trying to flip and flop around Black, he managed to twist his knee - wow. What a way to go, Bradley. Black comes out to try to prevent him from getting suspended - during the most important stretch of the season - and he injures himself.
I'm not trying to get into the debate on who is more to blame - thats a black hole. I remember seeing Marcus yelling from the bench, it was obvious that Winters was out of line. But Jesus, what a colossally bad outcome. Way to totally not handle the situation at all.
by Brad on Sep 24, 2007 6:45 AM PDT 0 recs
Yes
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Sep 24, 2007 7:20 AM PDT
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TODD HELTON IS A DOUCHE
From today's North County Times:
"I know I'm the impartial third party here, but I don't want to get in the middle of it," Helton said. "Let's just say, it was a very interesting situation."
"I don't want to get in the middle of it"? If the allegations are true, we have a major league umpire berating and baiting a player. Helton doesn't think this is worth bringing to the attention of the commissioner's office?
If Selig had any balls whatsoever (which he does NOT), he would be on a plane today to meet with ALL parties involved...that inlcudes Helton, Meacham, Bradley and Winters. Think Roger Goodell would allow something like this to happen on his watch?
As for Bradley, I don't care what Winters called him...there is NO excuse to have a shit-fit on an umpire in the last week of the season in the middle of a tight playoff race. You turn away and take it. Bring it to the attention of the media with Bobby Meacham after the game. File a complaint with the Commissioner's office. Bradley's actions were immature and selfish. Were we going to win that game yesterday? Most likely not. But if Buddy had let him go he would have bumped that umpire and been suspended for AT LEAST the remainder of the regular season. Buddy did EXACTLY what a manager is supposed to do in that situation...his first instinct is to do everything he can to keep his player from not only getting kicked out of the game, but from facing a possible suspension. Buddy was protecting his player and he did the best job he could. Milton is hurt because of MILTON. No one else is to blame for his injury. HE made the decision to go completely insane.
by Drama on Sep 24, 2007 7:13 AM PDT 0 recs
My guess
by Winfield's Ghost on
Sep 24, 2007 7:21 AM PDT
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Agreed
by Drama on
Sep 24, 2007 7:28 AM PDT
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Why not answer
B. If he comes down on Winters' side, the players - not just the Padres - would kill him.
It's a no win to talk to the media.
by Winfield's Ghost on
Sep 24, 2007 7:31 AM PDT
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Good point - unfortunately...
by Brad on
Sep 24, 2007 7:38 AM PDT
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Answering
by Drama on
Sep 24, 2007 7:43 AM PDT
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"If it's warranted"
by Winfield's Ghost on
Sep 24, 2007 8:06 AM PDT
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Right.
by Drama on
Sep 24, 2007 8:12 AM PDT
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You won't get any argument from me
by Demoira on
Sep 24, 2007 7:24 AM PDT
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Think about this:
Now if you remember, Josh barely touched Rapuano...if anything the contact made was incidental. Bard, before that, had a spotless record. He got three games. With Bradley's record, how many games do you think he would have been hit with if Buddy had just let him go?
by Drama on
Sep 24, 2007 7:24 AM PDT
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I don't think so...
It obviously totally depends on what Bradley WOULD have done if Buddy had not been there to hold him back. Going on a hypothetical here, if he did exactly what Bard had done...and no more...I strongly doubt he would be done for good. However, I do think he would have been suspended for the rest of the regular season AND the playoffs.
by Drama on
Sep 24, 2007 7:38 AM PDT
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I agree with you till the end
"Whatever you say, you c__ksucking f__got. You don't mind if I call your wife a b_tch though, right? Or how bout if I tell you your kids are worthless pieces of sh_t? How bout that?"
by Dex on
Sep 24, 2007 7:50 AM PDT
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Dex
From the information that is public...it seems the worst thing he called was a "piece of sh*t". Is it okay he called him a piece of sh*t? Obviously not. It's totally uncalled for and unporfessional. Is it enough to completely lose your mind over? Is it enough to almost knock your manager to the ground? Is it enough to get ejected and suspended when your team needs you the most? Not in my opinion.
by Drama on
Sep 24, 2007 8:03 AM PDT
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Here's the thing
If he said anything beyond those words and it wasn't during a timeout when somebody was asking for a clarification, then he said too much.
If he actually insulted Milton Bradley, then I think he would've deserved to get smacked upside the head.
by Dex on
Sep 24, 2007 8:12 AM PDT
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I'm not defending Winters.
by Drama on
Sep 24, 2007 8:18 AM PDT
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SO confused!!
Upon further review - meaning, listening to XX this morning and all the interviews they did, oh, this all so complex!! The Meacham reaction did start to temper my anger at Bradley. Everyone is right, Meacham is a great barometer for this and hearing his anger at the situation really moved me. Even through Bradley's petulant tone of voice, I got it that the umpires lost it yesterday. I got it that they singled him out for some sort of show down. That became clear. Yet, I was still frustrated at Milton for falling for it. Though from what Meacham report was said...maybe it was asking too much of ANYONE to handle that without reaction. I.Just.Don't.Know. And now Mike Cameron is on the radio saying he would have gone after the umpire in the same situation. Is he just defending his teammate (as he should) or would he really?
Helton does need to come when/if the MLB consults him - and they should. The umpires need to be punished. No doubt. That whole crew is an embarrassment at this point.
by Christina on Sep 24, 2007 8:39 AM PDT 0 recs
Helton needs to come clean.....
by Christina on
Sep 24, 2007 8:40 AM PDT
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Heh
Seriously - I was driving in this morning listening to all the details and thinking to myself "Ack, my words, they taste so.....venomous! I must go into GLB and pray forgiveness for my off the cuff rants against Uncle Milty!"
But then I think, Bradley is a target for stupid umpires because he is a hothead who has been inexcusably stupid. And he should know that and tune them out even more because of it. He should have let Meacham deal with it. Steal second and get away from the moron umpire and let your first base coach get tossed for defending you, but you need to shut the hell up. But, can you? Am I asking too much?
Mostly I am with you and WG and am highly pissed at being swept in our final regular season home stand and having it end with all this crap and two guys hurt. No, not just two, three because Maddux showed us he is not 100% and our starting rotation has me very very nervous.
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