That said, I don't think Drama is being fairweather at all. That was a thoughtful post questioning a serious issue with our team. I happen to agree that there is a question mark when it comes to the production (or lack of production) from Khalil. Simply put, do you keep investinging in someone who is a tremendous defensive player and a below average offensive player? Does it even out?

But given the Jekyll and Hyde nature of the Pads offense, I think KT and Sandy would have to listen to offers for someone who can produce more offensive at the position, particularly after we've seen that he struggles to hit in the 81 games a yr he plays in Petco.  You don't give him away, but you certainly poke around and see what's out there.  

I know the game has changed since Almon and Champion were a hot young double play combo, but if Khalil could hit .240 with 15-20 hrs, 80 rbi, and 30 doubles, and maybe get thrown out of one game per year, I wouldn't complain.    

Before last year I was lobbying for us to sign Nomar and put him at 3B (the funny thing is, everyone's objection was that Nomar wouldn't switch from SS) and trade Khalil for Edgar Renteria (remember, before he came back strong last year everyone thought he was finished).  I'm not saying I can scout a player better than anyone else can, but it's really easy to see that Khalil can hit fastballs and changeups when he's sitting on them and not much else.

His personality throws a wrench into the mix too.  Do you think he freaks out his teammates a little bit?  Is he so wrapped up in his own world that he takes no advice from coaches?  (My logic on that is that nobody would say "you can't seem to hit breaking balls, so we're going to open your stance so much that you'll be like Tony Bautista")

I'd bail on him while his stock is still high, but I don't know if it actually is.  With Alderson and Depodesta having hands in this roster's make-up, I doubt he stays much longer (they value walks but not fielding).  Doesn't his contract end soon?

As far as getting thrown out of a game. What in the hell could Khalil possibly do to get thrown out?? He would have to show some kind of human emotion and passion.

Maybe one of the the Giles' could push him into the ump.

Or yell something from the dugout and everyone point at Greeny?

Some things are just too much to ask for!

Afterall, he is only....human?  

Bottom line for me - it would not break my heart if he was traded. My preference would be for him to prove all of us wrong of course since he is such a defensive wizard. So, I have not given up - but I am not 100% in his camp either.

Wiggins says Khalil needs to lay off the bud and get in the game!

As for speed, I can't imagine anyone who moves like that on the field isn't able to have speed on base, but you are right (drama), I don't think I've ever seen it!  Maybe it is more a fear of re-injuring the digits that he's reluctant to steal.
It's not a matter of being fairweather or disloyal gopads, it's business.  If this team wants to improve, if we want to get to the post-season AND beyond, kg could be considered a legitimate question mark.  
IF, he does have to go, he would make better trade bait sooner than later...

As many have pointed out, Khalil's defense more than makes up for his offensive struggles. Although every position in baseball is now supposed to mash, SS will porbably remain a light hitting position for years to come. Khalil's defense is just flat out incredible and I know that having him at short has got to boost the confidence of our pitching staff.

Offensively, Khalil is more valuable than people give him credit for. In 17 more ABs this year, Khalil has GIDP just once more than Brian Giles. Last year, Khalil ranked third on the team in GIDP behind Brian Giles and Adrian Gonzales. People have already extolled his XBH virutes as well as his streakiness.

Which brings me to real problem with Khalil's offensive stats as a Padre. If others on our team were hitting like they did last year (B. Giles, M. Cameron, J. Bard), Khalil's struggles would be patently less obvious. In fact, because our lineup lacks a great deal of potency, whenever anybody struggles (be it Cameron, Giles, Kouz, or Khalil), it becomes instantly magnified.

Before he got hurt last year, Khalil led all NL SS in RBI and he was second in HR.

As for Khalil's attitude, or lack thereof, I personally think that this is what has endeared him to the city. He's shown a penchant for making incredible plays without wanting to bask in the glory of his plays. Fans genuinely seem to appreciate his demeanor and love the way he goes about his game. It's even become a little hobby of people to try to get him to smile.

From everything I've ever read, the teammates love Khalil. They trust him to do his job and he does it without making a fuss. I know that he's fairly close to Blum (which shouldn't be held against him) and I even remember Kouz saying that Khalil was one of the people he was hanging out with when he joined the team.

All of this boils down to the overall impact of Khalil on the San Diego Padres, from a playing and a marketing perspective. Marketing wise, he's one of the most popular players on the team (just look around the Padres store in Western Metal, especailly the Nike section for the giant posters) and a photo of him diving is prominently featured on one of the panoramic posters leading into the park from the Gaslamp.

As a player, he's probably been one of the best SS the Padres have ever had. As Geoff pointed out, while that's not saying much, it's still something. I've discussed this with my parents numerous times, and they think that trading Khalil because of his lack of offensive pop would be akin to what the Padres did when they traded Ozzie Smith in the 80s. My parents claimed that a lot of people lamented shipping Ozzie off afterwards as he was an exciting player to watch and he made you want to come to the ballpark.

In conclusion, I think it's ludicrous to call Khalil Greene a bust. If you're looking for a bust, how about Brian Giles, whose never been the player he was with Pittsburgh? I think that it would be devastating to the fanbase to trade someone like Khalil and I think the pitching staff would lament losing him out there. Khalil is a streaky hitter, but he has never let his offense affect his defense. He will never be a significant offensive threat, but that's not his role on this team and it never has been. If the supporting cast around him were improved, Khalil's leage average offense (as pointed out by his EQA) wouldn't be a factor.

If you look at Home and Away Splits, Greene has hit 41 points higher Away in the 2004-2006 seasons, and this season he has hit over 100 points higher on the road. I know there is the "PETCO factor" or whatever but his struggles at Home are far worse than anyone else. The team has recently shown signs of figuring out PETCO eg. like 20+ Homers or whatever we hit on the homestand. He hasn't shown any life at all. Is it Petco, or is it nervousness about performing in front of the home crowd? I don't know.

I also don't know how I feel about him. Ya, he makes some plays that look pretty on Baseball Tonight on ESPN but sometimes I think thats all hes good for. He went 0-15 on the homestand, and 0-4 again last night.

He is the shortstop during  our back to back division titles. But also the one who was in the middle of our terrible offense in winning all of 1 game in two playoff trips. He is just another batter in our linep who is leaving runners on base and maybe we need to trade some defense for some offense to take us to the next level. Its something to think about.

Lt. Frank Drebin: Well, it's very impressive, yes... but we need to ask you a few questions.

And I love khalil. I think I might actually like khalil more than the padres as a whole, because I'd rather see us be moderately successful with him than fantastically successful without him. Do you think it would be as rewarding to be a fan if the team had no struggles? Or would we turn into the braves' fans of the last decade, saddled with such ennui that they can't show up to first round playoff games?

Khalil's first year as a padre was a such a breath of fresh air after having all those other stiffs that I thought we should immediately give him a lifetime contract. And I'm not backing down from that. I'd rather a spectacular grab/throw/double play once a week than 200 hits a year. I don't care about the stats, and this is about the only player in MLB that I will say that about.

Plus, he says things like, "I eat for sustenance, not for pleasure."

"It's nice to do anything when you are searching and struggling," said Greene. "What frustrates me more than anything is one series I feel comfortable in my approach, then I feel lost."