Padres say goodbye to Cameron, hello to Edmonds
I really enjoyed having Mike Cameron in center field, and I'm sorry to see him go. I know I had said that I'd rather have Cameron over Edmonds, but heck, I'll take Edmonds. I guess I got no choice. Maybe he really can pull off a Steve Finley.
The Padres signing of Glendon Rusch and Shawn Estes makes me feel like we'll be able to put something together that looks like a 5th starter by Opening Day. If the Padres manage to land Geoff Jenkins and maybe give Steve Finley a shot at finishing his career here, then I like the looks of our team and our chances at returning to the postseason.
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I don't hate this
I think we're looking at a very similar team to last yr's - they are going to struggle offensively, but defense and pitching will keep them competitive.
by Winfield's Ghost on Dec 15, 2007 6:41 AM PST 0 recs
Plus/Minus
Even so, I think this is a great signing. He may have had a down year last season, but if he can stay healthy, he will be much better than Cameron. He has been better at pretty much every point of his career than Cameron. Mark me down in the I don't understand how people can't like this signing" column. We gave up nothing to acquire a guy that could be a huge boost to us. Yes he is a risk, but not as big Cameron. Don't get me wrong I loved Mike out in CF, but I in no way see this as a downgrade.
I don't think our offense will struggle this year. Again, they were middle of the pack last season, and I think we have only upgraded so far this year.
by osbug on
Dec 15, 2007 8:56 AM PST
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Huh...?
There is NO WAY that Edmunds is defensively equal to Cameron (PERIOD).
Will Edmunds produce more w/ the bat than Cameron? Maybe...
This could be a good deal for the Padres but it was a GREAT deal for the Red Birds (they don't need Edmunds and clear most of his salary and get a potential replacement for Rollen).
by peterf on
Dec 15, 2007 4:16 PM PST
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Who
by sdsuaztec4 on
Dec 15, 2007 4:39 PM PST
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Fine
Edmunds was a liability in center last season, but injuries will do that to you. Cameron didn't do a bad job in center, but he had an off year with the bat. It was definitely a gamble signing him, but his upside is much better than Cameron's. For that matter, Cameron is a pretty big gamble at this point. Besides missing the first month of the season, I highly doubt he will stay injury free the whole season. Add into that, who knows how he will play stimulant free, and I think the Edmonds signing was a good move. It obviously wasn't plan A, but nobody gets everything they want.
by osbug on
Dec 15, 2007 5:12 PM PST
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Well, not exactly...
Kouz (AA/AAA): .379/.437/.656
Freese (A+): .302/.400/.489
Think Jose Bautista or possibly Mike Lowell v. 2006 as best case. With Kouz and Headley in his way, the Padres didn't need Freese. He's not a bad gamble for St. Louis, although the upside is limited.
by Geoff on
Dec 16, 2007 12:06 AM PST
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Edmonds
He calls in regularly to the morning show I listen to and he's been talking about how great he feels and how much further he is ahead in his training as compared to previous years.
I really don't understand why the Cards let him go. They signed him to a 2 year deal for the purpose of letting him retire as a Cardinal (at least that's how it was promoted here in STL). They overpaid for him last off season, but it was supposedly a tribute to the greatness he brought here. Now, they dump him for a Single A dude. WTF?!
I really don't get it. And I really don't get why SD isn't excited as hell to get this guy.
One thing you may not know is that he's a great clubhouse guy too. He's the one that rallied the Cards with a speech in the clubhouse in 06, against the Padres. You may have hated him for it then, but remember that he's bringing that to the table now.
Unless there is some hidden health reason that the Cards aren't releasing (which I doubt, cause why would KT sign him without a physical)....there must be something else at play here...and if I had to wager, I'd say that Padres fans are gonna be loving this deal next year.
by thenerdhater on Dec 15, 2007 6:54 AM PST 0 recs
Because
by rocKStark on
Dec 15, 2007 6:13 PM PST
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Love It
by Enzo Hernandez on Dec 15, 2007 7:24 AM PST 0 recs
Diamondbacks
by Drama on Dec 15, 2007 11:14 AM PST 0 recs
d-backs=no offense=won't win division
by la padres on
Dec 15, 2007 12:22 PM PST
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Wait
AZ's offense will be better than it was this yr - their young guys project to produce better than they did this yr...when they won the division.
by Winfield's Ghost on
Dec 15, 2007 1:28 PM PST
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Its best not to read into it too much
by sdsuaztec4 on
Dec 15, 2007 1:34 PM PST
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well...
by la padres on
Dec 15, 2007 4:53 PM PST
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THEY ARE!!!
by la padres on
Dec 15, 2007 4:47 PM PST
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Let's see
I think so far the team has already improved offensively this season, so I don't know where you are getting these crazy notions that every team in the NL West is better than us.
by osbug on
Dec 15, 2007 5:21 PM PST
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What are you smoking?
by sdsuaztec4 on
Dec 15, 2007 1:16 PM PST
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Haha
by TheThirdGonzalez on
Dec 15, 2007 6:06 PM PST
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Am I missing Something....
Towers outfield 2008: Giles, Edmonds and (if Towers gets his man) Geoff Jenkins.
by Pappa Morgigno on Dec 15, 2007 11:47 AM PST 0 recs
he is just
by Peavyforprez08 on Dec 15, 2007 12:09 PM PST 0 recs
2005 NLDS--Edmonds MURDERED us
I definitely remember that. And though it isn't statistically a reason to sign a guy 2 years later to (try to) play 162 games for you, it definitely sticks in your head....I'd like to have him around in a post-season series to do that to someone else. Like maybe the Cubs or Diamondbacks.
by goose1 on
Dec 15, 2007 12:15 PM PST
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I see this as basically even, with some upside
Cameron isn't exactly young, and if he has a 'good' season, by his career standards, he's a .250/.350/.450 guy. Not exactly terrible for a plus defensive CF, but it's hard to say we're taking much of an offensive hit losing him. And we've all had questions about his defense recently, which has traditionally been his selling point...
Edmonds last few years look pretty similar to those numbers, and his better career years (were he to feel healthy and have even a minor rebound in San Diego) are obviously MUCH better.
A 1 year deal, at around 7 million is great (that's what Cameron made last year). It's not like he's blocking someone. Does anyone know what Cameron was asking for? At any rate, Edmonds will do about the same, maybe better, for less money--maybe a lot less money.
As for "young athletic quick outfielders"---if we had any, we should play them. But because we don't, Edmonds is great. It's not like we just gave Juan Pierre 45 million to block a young stud.
by goose1 on Dec 15, 2007 12:11 PM PST 0 recs
I kinda have a bad feeling he'll end up like
by JollyWaffle on Dec 15, 2007 12:35 PM PST 0 recs
I can't wait for Jenkins to sign!

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 15, 2007 3:32 PM PST 0 recs
Wait...aren't you a Cubs fan?
But cute picture and all. Devastating analysis.
by goose1 on
Dec 15, 2007 5:26 PM PST
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I am...a cubs fan...
Three hundred million in contracts?? Did you use arithmetic to get that number?
And just for the record...as a cubs fan...nothing and I mean NOTHING will ever be embarrassing in relation to my favorite team. LOL...we've sucked longer than your franchise has existed, so don't try the "make fun of the cubs" angle. The cub fans do that better and more often than anyone else.
As an aside, I enjoy following the Padres here in San Diego. Petco is a nice place to watch a game, and your pitching staff always seems to gives you guys a chance in every game. Trevor has been one of the great ones, and I'm glad my son and I have been able to witness some history.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 15, 2007 7:30 PM PST
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Brilliant line
That seriously made me laugh because it's so true...which is truly sad for BOTH teams.
Really made me laugh:)
by Winfield's Ghost on
Dec 15, 2007 9:37 PM PST
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Word from Jimmy
2006-07 was Murder on his body with the Toe, Concussions, legs and what not.
The Cards brass said this was the first year in a long time he was able to go straight to the gym after the season ended.
He should be fine.
by rocKStark on Dec 15, 2007 3:49 PM PST 0 recs
I Agree
by sdsuaztec4 on
Dec 15, 2007 4:41 PM PST
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"the best he's ever felt in his life"
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 15, 2007 4:53 PM PST
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yeah,
by rocKStark on
Dec 15, 2007 6:01 PM PST
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I'm feeling a litter better
I hope Edmonds has one more year left in him, he is old, there is no doubt about that, but he has been hurt the past few seasons, so hopefuuly he WON'T pull a Vinny Castilla, and can help us, if he still has his skill in CF, that should be enough right there, we all know Cameron is declining there, and I have always enjoyed that uppercut swing lol.
by offspeedkills on Dec 15, 2007 6:34 PM PST 0 recs
First Padre Give-Away for 2008
- Mr John Moores
by Pappa Morgigno on Dec 15, 2007 11:55 PM PST 0 recs
dodgers signed kuroda
by Peavyforprez08 on Dec 16, 2007 12:15 AM PST 0 recs
Welcome back to SoCal Jim...
Kidding aside, we are pnly renting him for a year, with the Cards paying part of his salary. Cameron takes half the season to get going and now he will be starting a month late. Edmonds is clutch...Cammy was not.
by planetjeffy on Dec 16, 2007 1:24 AM PST 0 recs
This still leaves me
by friarfanatic on Dec 16, 2007 11:09 AM PST 0 recs
i feel the same way
by mandalay on
Dec 16, 2007 11:40 AM PST
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2009 FA Outfielders
The list is NOT impressive. The only good ones have options...not sure if they are player or club options, though.
by Drama on
Dec 16, 2007 12:32 PM PST
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Good Center Fielders Were Available This Year!
by Pappa Morgigno on
Dec 17, 2007 9:27 PM PST
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Edmonds
by Madridista on Dec 16, 2007 7:25 PM PST 0 recs
Or Juan Pierre
by CaleciaPad on
Dec 16, 2007 9:50 PM PST
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I was at that game!
It was the game where David Wells pitched for the Dodgers and Jack Cassel made his MLB debut. That was a nice win.
by goose1 on
Dec 17, 2007 9:52 AM PST
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Best Juan Pierre memory of 2007
by Drama on
Dec 17, 2007 9:57 AM PST
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yeah i was there too
by mandalay on
Dec 17, 2007 2:15 PM PST
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Speaking of losing balls
by Boilermaker19 on Dec 17, 2007 7:21 AM PST 0 recs
Interview with Edmonds
Apparently a lot of it had to do with the fact that STL wasn't going to guarantee a full time position. Edmonds didn't like that LaRussa sat him against lefties a lot.
by thenerdhater on Dec 17, 2007 7:40 AM PST 0 recs
uh oh
by Dex on
Dec 17, 2007 7:42 AM PST
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Jimmy needs to read his own stats...
.299 .394 .564 .958 ---Vs. RHP
.255 .336 .440 .776 ---Vs. LHP
He's magnificently pedestrian against LH pitching.
by santoswoodenlegs on
Dec 17, 2007 8:33 AM PST
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That'll do, Edmonds
Signing Cameron to > $10-11 million for a year when he misses the first month of the season - and let's not forget he's been a slow starter the past two years to boot - could easily have been a disaster.
If he had just been more like Dimaggio and had coffee and cigarettes between innings he wouldn't be in this mess.
I say pencil in Edmonds for 6 games a week and see how he does. We're one aged outfielder away!
by Billy Almon on Dec 17, 2007 8:00 AM PST 0 recs
Edmonds was not my first choice.
by sweeney on Dec 17, 2007 8:12 PM PST 0 recs
I heart MB, but
by planetjeffy on
Dec 18, 2007 12:11 AM PST
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2-3 Day Beard Growth
by Winfield's Ghost on
Dec 18, 2007 12:21 AM PST
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Frosty tips
He's gonna love Giles.
PS - I'm not saying Edmonds is gay...he's got a hot girly...but there's been plenty of speculation that he goes both ways.
by thenerdhater on Dec 18, 2007 2:36 PM PST 0 recs
Another reason to love Edmonds
my favorite Jim Edmonds moment came during the 2005 season at the new Busch. We were playing the Dodgers and it was about 110 degrees in center field.
A Dodger fan was sitting in the 4th row of the Left Field bleachers and was razzing Edmonds all game. We all were telling him to sit down and shut up but he just wouldn't stop. Finally, in about the 5th inning Edmonds had had enough and he turned around and started walking toward the bleachers and went off on this guy. He told him that if he thought he was such a man to come down on the field and they could "take care of things".
Of course, we were all going crazy and couldn't believe that Edmonds had #1 actually heard this guy and #2 turned around and started retaliating. Never one to be over interactive with the fans, it just came as a huge surprise. Don't ask me why but for some reason that moment just endeared him to me even more.
by thenerdhater on Dec 18, 2007 2:44 PM PST 0 recs












