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Fred Gerson and Dan Fumai: The men behind the money of the San Diego Padres

Fred Gerson is the CFO of the Padres. Dan Fumai is the VP/Controller of the Padres. They came in today and talked to our class about money as it relates to the Padres.

What did I learn? Heck, what didn't I learn?

  • Padres aren't so much happy about their current TV deal with Cox. At least that's what I think. OK. I'd be unhappy with the current deal. They didn't come out and say as much, but they were very tight lipped. Their current Cox deal is in effect till 2011. They did make mention that the Indians just turned down a deal recently that was worth four times as much as what the Padres get, and those guys are in Cleveland. I mean, really. That's some kind of crappy deal when they can pull scoreboard on you from Ohio.

    Cause I been to Cleveland. That place ain't pullin' scoreboard on much.

  • The food is supposed to be better this year. I'll believe it when I taste it and then later when my stomach attempts to break down the enzymes into something that doesn't result in either extremely improper bodily functions or a really bad tummy ache. (Though, for the record, I really enjoy the food at PETCO.)

  • The Padres are tying themselves really closely to MLB Advanced Media (MLBAM) in an attempt to broaden their audience and participate in of some of the potential media revenue that they're missing out on with their crazy Cox deal. MLBAM, of course, are the people who believe that fantasy baseball players shouldn't have access to fantasy stats unless they pay them directly. MLBAM is also responsible however for all that cool free (for now) live internet gameday stuff. I'm torn on MLBAM.

  • San Diego: 7th largest city. 26th largest media market. Is it possible for that many people to not watch TV? Are you people that much cooler than me? Can I hang out with you guys? I'm just kidding of course. But no, seriously. What are you guys up to later?

  • Q: How do they decide KT's budget? A: Figure out a number and then don't tell him what it is because he'll go over whatever number you give him anyway.

    Pssst... KT... they be short changing you, dog. No joke, yo. Spend the hizzy. They got you covered.

  • On revenuve sharing: The Padres actually paid into the revenue sharing bucket in 2004, but anticipate drawing from it again in 2005 and 2006. That new ballpark honeymoon really doesn't get you much these days.

  • On rich owners: They're pretty sure that most owners get into the gig with a hobbyist mentality until they start losing money. And even then, they figure most owners are willing to take a loss to a point. Says Gerson, "It's a hobby until it's $100 million."

    I'd heart being rich enough to blow $100 million on a hobby. But then again, who knows how that would change me. What if I turned into a total prick? I mean, I can be a pretty big prick as it is. I couldn't imagine being a total one.

  • How much did the Padres see from the WBC being at PETCO? Apparently, the Padres got their operating costs covered and concessions and that's it. I gotta - gotta - believe that "concessions" must include merchandise. All gate went to Major League Baseball and the Padres aren't even sure if they're gonna get security covered (extra police force) as it's not part of normal ballpark operations. They're confident they will, but Gerson and Fumai say that most of the benefit came from showcasing the park and the city.

  • Along those same lines, they estimate that non-baseball activities that happen at PETCO account for 1% of their revenue. They said 2% would be like your hot 25-year-old middle school teacher wanting to show you how grownups pass the time. What? Is that bad to say?

    They also said that the Giants claim some really big number from the crap they do at Phone Company Park, but when somebody got a hold of their numbers, it actually turned out to be 10% of what they were claiming.

    Just like the Giants. All big talk. Nothing to back it up.

  • Padres get 70% of net from non-baseball activities at the ballpark. City gets 30%. This is in effect during baseball season. When it ain't baseball season, it's reversed and the city gets 70% while the Padres only get 30%.

    Therefore, the Rolling Stones are good for nothing (when it comes to baseball).

  • On the search for international talent:

    Dominican: The Padres have been able to pull nobody and no one at all from the Dominican Republic. The only player from the Dominican that we've found is Freddie Guzman and he wasn't even an alternate on the Dominican WBC team. The Padres academy in the Dominican is apparently really nice, but Gerson seems really skeptical about throwing more money into it. By his thinking, what good is providing those Dominican players with this really high quality academy when they'll just sign big league contracts with other clubs once they're in the U.S.?

    Australia: Great place for a boondoggle. Logistically, not a great place to be trying to find big leaguers.

    China: The Padres have already been out to China in an attempt to scout and assess the situation. Currently, Gerson doesn't seem so high on China either.

    Taiwan and Korea: Gerson is really high on these two places. Remember, this is the CFO we're talking about. He sees the best value for his buck being spent trying to cultivate talent out of Taiwan and Korea. Chan Ho Park! Chan Ho Park! Daaaaaeee han min-GOOK!
And that's it. Tomorrow, I'll have a summary of our other speaker from today, Dennis Cruzan. Cruzan was a major player in terms of the PETCO real estate deal. Some more good stuff then.

Update [2006-3-23 18:19:19 by Dex]: Fixed the 70% to 30% bullet point.

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Very interesting...
I'll probably read this again tomorrow when I'm sober.... but still, the drunk-read was great.

by gophersw on Mar 22, 2006 11:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland Deal
I'm wondering about the Cleveland TV deal.  I've lived on the east coast/midwest the majority of my life and have some familiarity with Cleveland sports (though never been a resident of Ohio).  It strikes me that there is a fairly large market for Cleveland Indian baseball, due both to the heritage of the club, but more importantly due to the success of that franchise in the 90's.  Compare that with the Padre fan base which has traditionally been wishy-washy for the media market size San Diego represents.  If this is still true (or these perceptions exist in the minds of the negotiating parties) this would explain why the Padres get a worse deal.

And let's face it.  In SD, it's harder for a sports team to compete with all the other recreational options at your disposal, with the great weather, ocean, etc.  What do you have to compete against in Cleveland?  A river that caught fire in the 70's?! [Sorry Cleveland residents...couldn't resist]

by Jacojre on Mar 23, 2006 4:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Cox deal
There are people in San Diego who can't watch the Padres. If you're a satellite subscriber or if you don't get cable, you don't have any options. Time Warner didn't carry channel 4 for a while either. So for a time, only Cox cable subscribers could watch the Padres regularly.

I'm just kinda curious about the deal since the new hotness is all about local and moving into regional sports networks.

by Dex on Mar 23, 2006 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Scoreboard
That term reminded me of my cousin who coaches a high school aged select baseball team.  They were playing this team who had a shortstop that wouldn't stop trash talking...kept yelling "Scoreboard!".

So, my cousin's team wins the game and as the teams go out to shake hands, my cousin leans in to the offender and whispers, 'Scoreboard asshole'.

The kid bitches up and rats my cousin out to his coach.  The other coach comes over and confronts him....and my cousin denies the whole thing...then gives a little smirk to the other kid.  

by thenerdhater on Mar 23, 2006 7:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
sounds like a little nerd hater in the making.

by jbox on Mar 23, 2006 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Could be could be
I've learned to control my temper as I've gotten older though.

But yes......I can be obnoxious.

by thenerdhater on Mar 23, 2006 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's simply market size, Jacojre..
As Dex points out -- SD is 26th in the rankings. www.nielsenmedia.com/DMAS.hmtl    Cleveland is 16th. It's really that simple -- more TV households in Cleveland, it a bigger market, therefore more media income is generated there. You'll note Akron is considered part of the market, rather than its' own. (The Cavs used to play in Richfield OH -- halfway between the 2 cities as to draw from both areas.)

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 25, 2006 5:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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