San Diego Padres move Anthony Rizzo for RHP, Andrew Cashner (100 mph clubber)
by Dex on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM PST
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The Anthony Rizzo era is over as the Padres have capitalized on Jed Hoyer's crush on Rizzo and their own depth at first base to acquire the arm that we needed. The key pieces here are obviously Anthony Rizzo, one of our blue chips acquired for Adrian Gonzalez, who we've now converted into Andrew Cashner who has touched 101 mph on the radar gun, but typically throws a high 90s fastball.
Some team scouts project Cashner as a starter, though he could see time as a reliever. Discussion has been that the Cubs have misused Cashner to this point and that he would benefit from playing in San Diego thanks to Petco and pitching coach Darren Balsley.
Our time with Anthony Rizzo was short. Short enough that we should probably consider this a three way trade. A three way trade with two GMs. Weird.
Padres also move Zach Cates and also receive centerfielder Kyung-Min Na.
Anthony Rizzo was also really handsome with boyish good looks.
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Wow I thought the Padres could have got more for Rizzo
by Grey Suit on Jan 6, 2012 11:18 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
same...
waiting to hear what others have to say about the two cubs players we are getting.
Neither of whom can play SS or 2B
This
we need middle infielders for crying out loud
by sixpakfrombelgium on Jan 6, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My first reaction too
How do we not get a middle infielder?
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 6, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be careful what you wish for
Josh Byrnes is liable to be like, “FINE. YOU WANT A MIDDLE INFIELDER? CHASE HEADLEY AND NICK HUNDLEY… TRADED!!!!”
by Dex on Jan 6, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
what would we get back?
and how does he not throw in Garvey’s 6, and a breakfast?
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Thoughts on Cashner:
I really think the Padres are getting a steal in him. It’s true, a lot depends on how well he returns from his injury last year, but I truly think Cashner was going to be a pretty good player despite the injury last year.
He did very well in his first career start last year and I believe he will continue to improve as time goes on. He could either be a starter for the Padres or he could become a middle reliever. If the Padres decide to make him a middle reliever, he could still make a spot start if the need comes up.
As for Na, I can’t really say much. Best of luck with Cashner.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 11:18 AM PST reply actions
If he ends up being a guy that is a middle reliever that spot starts when needed...
…we just got raped.
by Drama on Jan 6, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
which currently includes like 10 people
so… everyone’s a starter AND a reliever
by Zen Blade on Jan 6, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Our lineup is 1B, OF, and P
Gonna be a problem turning double plays.
25 years as a baseball fan and I'm still confused by the infield fly rule
just heard Brynes on MLB Radio
Said Cashner will be in the bullpen in the Luebke roll. Potential starter by end of year, 2013.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Ah, the Stauffer gambit. Let's see if this pays off.
It worked for Tim, it worked for Cory. Will it work for Anthony? Will it work for Andrew?
Only time will tell…
Dun, dun, DUN!!!
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
There was an Anthony Rizzo era?
Yeah, he sure made his mark on Padres history. Nice work by Theo getting Rizzo back so quickly. The Adrian trade is one of the biggest jokes pulled on Padres fans ever.
25 years as a baseball fan and I'm still confused by the infield fly rule
by SolanaFan on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I mean, I understand why we traded Adrian
But the trade itself has not worked out so far by any means.
25 years as a baseball fan and I'm still confused by the infield fly rule
by SolanaFan on Jan 6, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That would be good
I’m just irritated that Rizzo wasn’t what he was supposed to be.
25 years as a baseball fan and I'm still confused by the infield fly rule
Rizzo was nothing more than a product of the east coast
hype machine. However, the padres have a track record of making any position player a AAAA major leaguer.
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"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
What if Andrew Cashner is the most Badass pitcher ever?
Then trading Adrian Gonzalez for Rizzo was just fine. Maybe it didn’t work out at first, but then in a round about way because we were able to trade his lame 141 average ass for a guy who can throw like crazy, everything is now cool. I’m more than happy with this trade, and this now makes the Adrian for Rizzo trade not hurt so much, because really… What would we have done with a dude like A Gon who ran slower than most MLB catchers and wanted Albert Pujols money, all while complaining about the schedule his sorry ass Red Sox had to play anyway?
Ha! Its good to be a fairweather fan when fun trades are being made.
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if Cahsner is the most badass pitcher ever, I will be the
happiest dude ever! The happiest dude for around 5 years, then I’d get pissed when they trade him to another team for a bunch of unproven dudes.
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If they get five good years out of him
then he goes off to get overpaid for his decline somewhere else. I am good with that.
I'm surprised that I ahvent just accepted the fact that we can only hope to have
our best players for a few years. I should just come to terms with it.
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For most ball players 5/6 years is their prime.
I do not see how having players for their best years, is such a bad thing.
by field39 on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and? Whats your point?
I’d love to have a team with players that are all in their prime, too.
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by podpeople on Jan 8, 2012 1:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What if Josh Byrnes ends up being Darth Vader!!!
by Dex on Jan 6, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What if George Lucas ends up being Anthony Rizzo???
Who traveled back in time to “fix” the original Star Wars movies???
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
seems to be a trend
you can say the same about Peavy, although he hasn’t exactly worked out for the white sox either.
Kenny Williams wouldn't
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
he traded his marbles for Juan Pierre
not a few years ago, but last saturday……and then granted him instant FA.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
uhghh
So, not sure what the heck just happened. Cashner’s numbers aren’t that good and Na is really young.
But we just supposed traded a really good 1B for a pitcher who can throw hard, but doesn’t seem to have a great track record.
by Zen Blade on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Cashner actually improved a lot
From 2010 to 2011.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
A lot of those came when he returned in September.
He’ll have had the whole offseason to improve. He was a starter last year, and his first start when he got hurt was actually a rather good start.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
even so
Not sure how I feel about this. We have sooo many potentially good starting pitchers already.
We have 3-5 in the minors about ready to come up.
In the majors we have:
Stauffer, Luebke, Richard, Moseley, what’s his face from the Reds that we just got…
and I swear we have more…
short term that looks ok
Long term ill take luebke. Maybe Stauffer. That’s it.
by SD Jake on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good comment from BCB
I imagine the trade dialogue went a little like this…..
TheoJed: So we’re agreed? Rizzo and Cates for Cashner. You sure you don’t want anyone else?
Padres GM: Na.
TheoJed: Great, a two for one deal. We’ll have Cashner on the next flight to SD.
by Dex on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
For that return I would have been happier
if it was Blanks name instead of Rizzo. I feel like we gave up on Rizzo too soon, and I think we got hosed on this deal.
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by Padres_Hobo on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Definitely hosed.
Especially since everyone in the world and their mothers knew that Jed LOVES Rizzo. You should be able to get a better deal when you know you’re selling to someone who loves the product.
And agreed, I feel like Rizzo was Blanks+ at worst.
"giving up" on rizzo removes unnecessary risk
we’ve got three first basemen with better MLB track records and equally high ceilings. Blanks hit .351/.421/.716 in AAA while Rizzo hit .331/.404/.652 and seemed to adjust to big league pitching much better than rizz each time he’s been up.
To give rizz a chance, you’ve got to displace and take away at-bats from Guzman, Alonso, and Rizzo who have all shown a lot more than Rizzo.
i don’t think he’ll flop as a cub, but he doesn’t make sense for the padres plans.
by iheartyourfart on Jan 6, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
LAME!
Rizzo didn’t even get a chance. What if the new guy from the Reds Doesn’t work out? Then we’ve got no long term plan again. Rizzo should have stayed in the minors and built up his value at the very least.
Agreed
There was no rush to move Rizzo. If there was an excellent deal in place, then ok, move him. But until you see how ST pans out, I would keep him as an option. I don’t understand why Josh would be so eager to let Jed/Theo capitalize again. This one I may count against Josh. He’s 4-1 in my book.
by Jeff Bassing on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
I had no problem trading Rizzo
but wish we could have found a middle infielder in the deal. Cashner could end up being a quality pitcher for us but Pitching seems to be surplus.
As far as contingency plans at first base, we still have Guzman, Blanks, Kotsay (?) that could fill in
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Agreed.
I haven’t done the dilligence, so I’ll take my friend’s word that the Cubs have 2 shortstops of their top 10 prospects with Castro blocking them both.
Guzman, blanks, gyorko
we have plenty of 1b options
by iheartyourfart on Jan 6, 2012 4:50 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
you gotta understand rizz has no value for us
he’s behind 3 more established firstbasemen who have equal or higher ceilings than him. we didn’t have to trade him immediately but pencilling him at 1b is an unnecessary risk. he had to go.
by iheartyourfart on Jan 6, 2012 5:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
So confused
I know Alonso is the “new” 1b, but trading a 21 year old guy that was a key in the Adrian trade, I see why you have to trade him now. But on the flip side, where was Rizzo going to play? Guzman and Alonso have shown they can hit on ML level, Rizzo has not.
And Cashner, how many years are under control? Only 1 start in 2 years? Was it lack of opportunity or he doesn’t have control of his other pitches? I need answers!
New unis, pretty much whole new team. Wait and see I guess.
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He had shoulder issues
Selected by the Cubs with 19th overall pick in the 2008 draft, Cashner is believed to possess triple-digit velocity but could be a bit rusty after a rotator cuff strain kept him out for most of last year. He emerged from 10 and 2/3 innings in 2011 with a 1.69 ERA, but went just 2-6 as a starter and posted a 4.80 ERA in 2010. It’s not clear what role San Diego might have in mind for him.
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Power arm, good fastball/slider mix make Andrew Cashner a fit (for now) as set-up for Huston Street. Bullpen coming together. #Padres
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Don't like this move if he's going to be a set up guy
What about Junior Lake? Would have at least liked some type of middle infielder. This deal is a head scratcher.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
What's wrong with a setup guy?
Was Anthony Rizzo going to start at 1B? He probably wasn’t even going to be first on the depth chart.
thats looking at it pretty short term
by SD Jake on Jan 6, 2012 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno how else to look at it...
Was Rizzo going to be the first baseman of the future? If so, he’d have to outperform a bunch of other guys who’ve already had at least a little more major league time.
Well considering that Rizzo was hailed as the savior by Hoyer
Rizzo was pinned as a future all star who we traded an all-star for. We trade that piece for a pither (reliever) where we have plenty of depth.
I guess I was just expecting more.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
pitcher
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 6, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
at the time of the trade
it was Casey Kelly that was the one talked up big time. Rizzo moved faster than expected. Looking long term, i think they plan on Cashner to wind up in the rotation, but for short term, this year, he is projected as the 8th inning guy.
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Junior Lake
has horrid plate discipline and is choppy in the field (and that’s being nice). The Cubs better MI talent are all in A ball (although there’s 2 really fascinating shortstop talents).
Is it possible
that Byrnes is kinda addicted to trading?
by sixpakfrombelgium on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Cashner
Cashner was drafted in the 1st round in 2008 as a reliever. He was a closer at TCU and expected to be the same in the majors. There was speculation the Cubs drafted him because he was close to Major League ready, and they wanted him for the 2008 pennant drive. That never materialized, so after 2008 the next thing they wanted to do was make him a starter. They worked on his secondary pitches and got pushed up the system quickly as he succeeded in high A and AA.
In 2010, he got a chance to come out of the pen for the Cubs and despite inconsistent play (which his number reflect), he started really putting it together at the end of the season. Cubs fans were very high on him going into 2011, as the Cubs had pledged to give him a shot to start the season in the rotation. He had a decent spring and was given the #4 starters role. Unfortunately after 5-6 shutout innings in his first start of the year, he left injured and didn’t pitch for the Cubs again until September. Those numbers you see in 2011 AAA were essentially rehab appearances.
I personally think Casher will be solid however he is used if he can stay healthy. I do think you guys should have gotten more for Rizzo, but I won’t be surprised if you guys end up getting a really good pitcher out of Cashner. Him and Castro were the 2 things people were excited about at the end of 2011. Good luck!
by umfan83 on Jan 6, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
i love/hate this deal
the Padres/Cubs got hosed cause Rizzo is the 1B of the future/Rizzo can’t hit at the ML level with a 46 second swing.
Cashner is going to be a starter/reliever/shoulder surgery model and can/can’t sustain his velocity.
also, MIDDLE INFIELD
there i think i just summarized all the comments so you guys don’t have to read them all.
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by justdave on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
We're Padres fans
we’re used to looking at the bottom.
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by Nater Tater on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
2012 is young
but this may hold my vote for “best comment of the year” for the next 360 days.
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by justdave on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
padres fans are innately ass-men and/or women.
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I totally agree/disagree with you
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i give you rec/negative rec for your work
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by Nater Tater on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe, Just Maybe
The problem with Rizzo is that only Jed and Theo covet him.
I expect that Brynes shopped Rizzo around a lot, and all the team were like "you see how long his swing is? Can’t hit a major league fastball, can’t hit a major league slider, basically he is Hee-Seop Choi.
I personally like Blanks over Rizzo, but I am irrational.
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by Ron Mexico on Jan 6, 2012 12:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
interesting thought
is jed the one giving him the signs to steal , or teaching him how to peek at the catcher?
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another thought
maybe Moorad hated the Agon deal, thought Hoyer did bad and told his boytoy to “clean up the mess”
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
I agree.
People keep saying we didn’t get enough. But isn’t it possible that this was the best, or at least one of the better deals we could get for him?
I mean don’t get me wrong, Rizzo KILLED in the minors, and I was just as hyped up about him as everyone else when he made his debut at Petco Park. But unfortunately he didn’t live up to the hype. Maybe we’re giving up on him too soon, but I don’t want to give up on Blanks either when he’s had at least some success at the major league level.
But yeah, I’m irrational too.
No pants. No problem.
I think we are giving up on him too soon
but I don’t know what the scouts are saying. Maybe our current Scouts love Cashner.
Or maybe Brynes thinks he can put Cashner in the 8th inning role and get as good as return for him as we did for Mike Adams. (that Adams deal is so stellar…I would take Erland +Weiland return for him, and I don’t even know the guy.
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by Ron Mexico on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he didn't really kill in the minors
he killed in the PCL. before that his stats screamed adam laroche.
by iheartyourfart on Jan 6, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't really care which 1B we gave up
I just thought the return on Rizzo would have been more, especially after seeing some of the rumors floated about since the Latos trade.
Maybe got my hopes on what what realistic for Rizzo.
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by Padres_Hobo on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i think we were kind of overhyped on his talent level
at the end of the day the PCL-effect is kind of hard to ignore. guys that hit in the .250-260 range typically don’t become albert pujols II when they hit AAA.
by iheartyourfart on Jan 6, 2012 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
my problem with trading postion players for pitchers is that
if a pitcher hurts his arm, thats his career. Rizzo still has years to fulfill his potential. seems kind of dumb to me.
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by podpeople on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like it
Rizzo had become redundant and his swing was way too long. On top I that his hitting style was not conducive to a successful career at PETCO.
by athletics68 on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Nooooooooooo.
My heart. It hurts.
But really, I feel like we should have gotten a little more for him…
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When does Cashnermania start?
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by mrbarneydangles on Jan 6, 2012 12:55 PM PST reply actions
When Friarhood starts using a hashtag.
#CashInOnCashner
Long swing?
Wow, you wanna know who everyone thought had a long swing? Ike Davis. Even Mets fans at amazinavenue called him Captain Long Swing until it actually turned out he could hit.
And Carlos Quentin had a long swing. I heard Keith Hernande and Ron Darling during a Mets game with D-backs years ago say Quentin had along swing and they didn’t think he’’d make it.
Look, maybe Rizzo does have a long swing. maybe he’ll never hit in the majors. And his half year line in AAA was better than what he’d put up previously. But you certainly don’t write a guy off at his age and scouts had obviously thought something of him.
Same with writing off Blanks after an age 24 season that left him with a career 108 wRC+ in less than 500 ABs.
Whether this is the best Padres could get, I don’t know. Don’t know who else they tried for. Cashner has some promise. maybe the Pads just loved him. I’d have thought Rizzo could get more, maybe from Rays, but maybe Rays don’t like him as much.
Right now both Rizzo and Cashner are unproven and it’ll be interesting to see how it turns out, but my guess is Rizzo out-WARs cashner, and depending on what you think of how they calculate reliever WAR (he may become a starter down the line, but we’ll see), the Cubs will down the line be thought of as the winner of this deal..
I now agree
I don’t like this deal at all.
Rizzo should have been given the chance to see if he could improve in the Minors this year. If he did, and Alonso worked out well, his value would have been higher.
Plus he was at the WORST at Top 5 prospect for us. Sure it was crowded, but we could have gotten something better.
Plus we shouldn’t be traiding top 20 prospects for reliever specialist. We do better getting the Adams/Bells and making them great with more value.
Even if Cashner works out. and Rizzo turns out to be a backup bat, this deal sucks.
Na looks like he will only get a cup of coffee in the Majors as his Ceiling.
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if alonso plays well, rizzo's value would plummet
neither of them is really anything other than a firstbasemen. If alonso continues to mash, then everyone knows we have to trade rizzo. even though he hit poorly in his cup of coffee at the bigs, his value is probably about as high as it can get going into this season.
by iheartyourfart on Jan 6, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
The more i read on the google machin
the more I hate this deal.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
While I'm not thrilled in giving up Rizzo for Cashner,
Losing Cates in this as well may be even a bigger loss.
Based on perceived value
Not what the player is going to do, or what the scouts working for teams think.
But based on the good internet scouts (BP,BA, Sickels)
Rizzo >> Cashner
Cates >>>>Na.
Wouldn’t signing Zumya been better from a value standpoint?
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
by Ron Mexico on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what about timing? and location?
Cashner in 2012-2013 in Petco Park compared to Anthony Rizzo in 2012-2013 in Petco Park competing against Yonder Alonso for a job.
by Dex on Jan 6, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
haters gonna hate?
errr… something like that.
I don’t see the value in this trade… not yet.
If the expectations are to take Cashner and make him a stud reliever and then possibly a solid starter… maybe, maybe this works out. Or, if Na is better than he looks (only 20)…
Otherwise, not sure why we made this move. It would have been better to trade with someone who could have given us some MI prospects.
agreed on 2012
What makes this deal makes sense:
If the FO really believes that Alonso/Q will get us some production, Hundley continues his path and plays 120 games, Chase get a little better, Maybin as good. Luebke/Stauffer/Richard anchor the rotation, Bullpen is great.
Dodgers are hording utility infielders like Big Lots
Dbacks don’t improve
Rockies don’t contend
Giants believe that FSanches is the next comming of Ryan Sandberg…
Then the Padres can win NOW.
That is why the next signing for the Padres….drum roll…….
Roy Oswalt, 1 year, $15M with a mutual Option.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Since you are a frequent Contributor to the site....;)
Think we should start the rumor!
Padres interested in signing Roy Oswalt to a 1-2 year deal, sources say.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
1 year deal for $7 million with a $15 million mutual option that includes a $2 million buy out if the Padres decline but Oswalt accepts
that last bit of detail is what sells this rumor.
nice
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Sickels likes Cates
he didn’t make his top 20, but in his report on this deal calls him a major sleeper.
Brynes on the Radio
said that he thinks the NL West is winnable this year…..not sure if this is the trade that gets us there. I am worried about the Brynes era. He is aggressive, so I think we will get some big wins, and some big losses in the player acquisition department.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
A better deal would've (obviously) been better
But I can’t imagine how keeping Rizzo makes us more competitive next season. Just for that, my 2012 self likes this deal.
by Dex on Jan 6, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
2012 yes
and as someone who is going to go to 50-60 games this year, I can appreciate this.
Maybe we all bought into the TheoJed hype machine on Rizzo, and are way over valuing him. But some repected folks think that RIzzo still has real value, and would gain a ton of value with 500 AB at AAA.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
after watching the Chargers
aggressive makes me happy… i know its a silly mentality and we’re comparing apples to file cabinets, but still.
i like a FO that at least PRETENDS like they are trying to win.
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Brynes is insane
there, I said it.
But, yeah, the west is winnable. It’s winnable every year by someone.
insane like a fo...
……ah forget it.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Wow, the Padres got hosed
I would rather they have just hung on to Rizzo this year than make that trade. I can’t imagine this was the best offer they had. I don’t care about not getting a middle infield prospect, but I do care about getting value.
Rizzo is probably twice as valuable as Cashner. The fact that they had to throw in Cates too is ridiculous. I don’t know anything about Na, but looking at his stat line in pro baseball makes me think it’s extremely unlikely he makes the majors. He reminds of a slower Luis Durango with less power.
by Antonio Olivares on Jan 6, 2012 1:39 PM PST reply actions
No one has less power that Luis Durango.
Padres Fan.
by MrDanielX on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's Reymond Fuentes' korean cousin
With less talent and ability
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by TheAxManCometh on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Does this mean the cubs have given up on Prince Fielder?
Unless they flip Rizzo real estate style it looks like Prince is heading to DC.
It's Quentin time.
Byrnes is a wheelin' dealin' mofo
I have a feeling…there is more to come
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
The guy can't go 2 weeks without trading
and we have 16 weeks to opening day!
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
by Ron Mexico on Jan 6, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I remember when people were complaining about the Padres not being active when the off-season started
Well, look who’s laughing now???
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by sdchicken on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
awesome
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Biggest Fear (besides clowns)
Casher gives up a walk-off homer to Rizzo during an epic 1984 Pennant rematch between the Cubs and Padres in October of this year.
TBD
don't think you have to worry about that.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Yeah, there's no way the Cubs make the NL Championship
by Antonio Olivares on Jan 6, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Na, cubs could make it
but we will sweep them with a combined score of 35-2.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Na...H
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by TheAxManCometh on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Cashner struck out Rizzo in last game of 2011 at Petco
via followthepadres twitter
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
by Hormel on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
General thoughts
Cubs fan.
I’m lukewarm on Rizzo (have been since he was a Red Sox), but
a) Logically this deal makes sense for the Cubs. To an extent, it makes some sense for you guys. Some. You trade for relief pitching, and then see if he can jump in the rotation. Cashner’s upside as a starter is higher than most of the arms in the system, and his last minor league season, as a starter, he had turned the corner and was impressive (carrying quality stuff late into games.) Can he get back to that?. For a rebuilding Cubs squad, waiting 1-2 years to see if he can start is wasted value when they can land someone now, and Cashner had injury history risk.
b) I’m not sure why Cates was almost thrown-in. He’s clearly the third best piece in the trade, which seems to suggest that … Cashner was the top valued asset? If so, this seems like another case of pitching being a touch over-valued/over-protected in this era.
c) Sure feels like Byrnes simply wasn’t that high on Rizzo, so while almost everyone views this as trading a top prospect away, I wonder if Byrnes simply viewed this as moving an extra asset.
d) Na might be the best defensive CF in the Cubs system (and that’s pretty heady praise), but his bat is squadoosh right now. Some have said there’s some line drive potential there, perhaps some gap power, but it’s really hard for me to see him make it up. It was much tougher in a Cubs system that was extremely deep in CF talent.
by toonsterwu on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+10 for excellent analysis, as usual.
+100 for use of “squadoosh” as an adjective.
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by daver on Jan 6, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
a 22 year old hitter belting out 1.056 in AAA for...
a power reliever arm?
Stupid.
Yes, he looked a bit over-matched in the majors, but he was 21-22 last season.
Yes, his 1.056 was in Tucson, but still.
How about this trade?
Towers for Byrnes, straight up? Get us back to where we where, which looks a lot better than where we are going.
I'd do that.
I loved Towers… even if he wasn’t the best at drafting talent. We competed a lot and had as good a run as any NL west team during his tenure… [note: I do not consider the number of World Series titles won as all large, professional San Diego sports teams are cursed and therefore unable to win titles].
I think you'd need to trade Towers/Moores pre divorce for Byrnes/Moorad
Towers had the benefit of a loose checkbook here.
by Dex on Jan 6, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
You mean you liked seeing a team put together with spit and bailing wire that had to rebuild almost every other year?
I mean, we had a few good years, but we also had a lot of bad ones, too. Hell, we lost 99 games in his last season here. The one where, you know, he forgot that he needed 5 starters to play baseball.
He was decent, but there’s no reason to begin lacquering him with revisionist gilt.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
Good to see Byrnes helping his old boss out
by pissing away our best prospect after acquiring a lesser player to take his spot. Oh and also nice of him to help out his old boss by not bothering to acquire anyone of value but a swingman/potential reliever/5th starter-gee-dont-we-have-enough-of-those?
And as a laugh the Cubs throw in a South Korean hybrid of David Eckstein and Reymond Fuentes. Great. Not like we didn’t have one of those already. I mean not like we couldn’t have used a middle infielder?
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I'm tempted to suggest...
…we could’ve thrown in Blake DeWitt, but you guys seemed pretty pissed off already.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
except for one detail
their talent is crap in one of the worst systems in baseball, lowest 5 systems. And in exchange for that, we gave the best prospect in one of the best systems in the league
We didn’t get anything remotely worthwhile for Rizzo, or anything to help us unless a relief pitcher and a crap outfielder are sufficient. If that’s the case I’d like to deal with you a lot more
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by TheAxManCometh on Jan 6, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
We got jobbed on this one
Why didn’t we trade him for middle infield help?
They did it to me again!
They trade when I avoid the computer! I think Byrnes has it out for me. Got spies or secret cams around here. “Friar Fever hasn’t turned on his computer today. Give me the list of tradeables! Time to use some rollover minutes.”
Oh, and not a fan of said trade.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
just admit
that with your Cowboys out and the Padres not playing, you are avoiding the computer all the time, unless you hear through the grapevine theres a reason to come on, i.e. Padres Trade
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Unless his name is Aroldis Chapman
You don’t trade a top-5 player at a premium position for a reliever. Especially if you’re well aware that the GM you’re dealing with has a massive boner for the player in question. They must project Cashner as a starter and low injury risk… hate to say it, but I do believe we’ve been screwed.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 6, 2012 6:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Top 5 in our organization, that is.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 6, 2012 6:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
reliever this year.
it’s not a life sentence.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Jan 6, 2012 6:23 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I wouldn't call 1b a premium position.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Jan 6, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
1b isn't a premium position
2b, c, and cf are. we did acquire a cf but realistically no package centering around rizzo would have gotten us a premium SS like profar, machado, or lee
by iheartyourfart on Jan 6, 2012 7:20 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
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