Carlos Quentin Trade is 75% Fresh
by jbox on Jan 1, 2012 8:38 PM PST
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PrintIf you're anything like me you'd never heard of this "Carlos Quentin" until yesterday. If that's the case you may wonder what others think of him and his expected impact as the newest San Diego Padre.
Well for the most part all the media and bloggers seem to look upon this trade favorably. Everyone seems to agree that the two minor league pitchers dealt to the White Sox were no longer valuable prospects and that the trade was primarily done as a salary dump for the South Siders.
They like Quentin as an offensive threat but worry about the effect that ballpark will have on his offense and defense. He may not be a good fit for Petco Park, but not many are.
In the end the Tomatometer reads 75% fresh which may paint the picture a little more rosy than their concerns or indifference may suggest. For comparison sake this trade is as fresh as the Adventures of Tin Tin.
Apologies to RottenTomatoes.com
Padres acquire Carlos Quentin :: Friar Forecast
At an expected $7-8 million in 2012, there isn’t a lot of value to be had here, especially on a team not expected to compete.
Behind great defense and dominant pitching, the Rays are the best team in baseball - Buster Olney - ESPN
For San Diego, Quentin could be a short-term experiment. It's possible that the Padres could negotiate a very team-friendly two- or three-year deal with the slugger in the next six weeks, as it goes through the arbitration process, but it's hard to imagine San Diego would invest heavily in Quentin until it gauges how long he can stay on the field and how his power translates to Petco Park.
Trying to Make Sense of the Carlos Quentin Deal - Beyond the Box Score
I wonder if the Padres GM saw a power guy that was relatively cheap and obtainable in the short term who would help bolster the team's power. At worst, it provides them with a relatively inexpensive experiment to test their theories.
MLB -- Chicago White Sox do well in dumping Carlos Quentin - Keith Law- ESPN
The White Sox shed some salary they didn't need and got two useful minor league arms, while the Padres got one year of a player whose skills align poorly with their home ballpark.
Win Now or Build for the Future: What the Carlos Quentin Trade Means - Chicken Friars
I’ll simply say, that when healthy, he’s an average outfielder and an above-average force at the dish. Even with a drop-off in production, which is entirely possible in San Diego, Quentin should boost the anemic offense the 2011 Padres put on display
Twitter / @ScottMCBSSports: Quentin hit .254 w/ 24 HRs ...
Quentin hit .254 w/ 24 HRs, career-high 31 doubles, 77 RBI and 53 runs scored in 118 games for the White Sox in 2011. SD badly needed bat
Twitter / @DerekNBCSD
Quentin brings right-handed pop and hustle to PETCO. 2-time All-Star, fans will love his work ethic. Nice pickup by the #Padres.
Padres Don’t Give Up Much but Quentin Not a Good Fit in San Diego " MLB Dirt
Quentin does have on-base skills and power but Petco park could spell disaster for him both in the power department and the defensive department and hurt him as he hits the open free agent market next offseason.
Padres add some power with addition of Quentin - Bob Scanlan
If you are a Padres fan it’s hard not to like this deal.
Twitter / @thesacbunt:
I like this trade but I feel like it was a move by the bad Josh Byrnes.
Twitter / @RJsFro:
I like this trade. If the OF wasn't over crowded before, it sure is now though.
Twitter / @friarhood:
It's hard not to like the Quentin trade, especially if you work in the Padres sales department. #justsayin
Twitter / @ducksnorts
That being said, I like adding a RH power hitter. Quentin shouldn't be hurt much by Petco, although Ryan Ludwick might disagree.
Twitter / @sdutCanepa
Pads getting Quentin an excellent pickup. But I still worry about middle infield.
The answer to our prayers? - Chicken Friars
So, at the end of the day, I think this is a good move for the team, especially considering what we’ve given up. I don’t think that Quentin is going to be the savior of the offense, but he is certainly a boost.
Twitter / @619sports:
Local player, more upside remaining than any current #Padres corner OF & needed RH pop. Good fit.
Making Sense of the Quentin Acquisition | FanGraphs Baseball
The Padres will monitor the situation closely, and it will be interesting to see how they handle a player who, on the surface, doesn’t seem to fit anything they’re doing.
Twitter / @tomkrasovic
#Padres continue to deal pitchers for hitters, which makes sense. Quentin trade appears to signal Kyle Blanks isn't in the team's plans
Websoulsurfer: Padres GM Byrnes makes STUPID trade for Quentin - A San Diego Padres Blog
He has just made what may be the single worst trade in the history of the Padres franchise sending Simon Castro and Pedro Hernandez to the Chicago White Sox for OF/DH Carlos Quentin.
What In The World Do The Padres Want With Carlos Quentin? - Baseball Nation
It's an interesting strategy, and it isn't one that a lot of teams would undertake in the Padres' position. But the Padres aren't rebuilding. They're reloading. Kind of. Considering the state of the NL West -- and the underrated collection of hitters the Padres have quietly socked away -- it might not be a bad strategy at all.
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I counted Buster Olney’s opinion twice by accident. Once for his article and once for his tweet. Now 81% fresh.
Oh no!
It’s getting less fresh by the minute! Hurry up, baseball season!
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Byrnes doing a great job so far.
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 PM PST reply actions
Bob Scanlan likes this move
Do you really need the opinion of someone whose hair lacks the supple volume and divine elegance of Scantasy’s?
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Jan 1, 2012 10:36 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
What's the worst that happens?
We rent Carlos Quentin for a year, he’s ineffective and then he goes on to sign with somebody else. Per the new CBA, that means we get like 23 extra draft picks in 2013, right?
Best case scenario: Carlos Quentin hits 60 home runs and takes us to the World Series.
WIN WIN!
Per the new CBA
The Padres aren’t likely to get any draft picks if Quentin leaves via free agency.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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/wonk'd
"Chris (Denorfia) is the scrappiest player I've seen since Shoeless Joe Jackson." -Lee 'Hacksaw' Hamilton
either decent or mad fresh
like the latos trade it really depends on what we do with the other pieces we already have in place. if we can trade blanks/Guzman for additional help the trade could really improve our team.
by iheartyourfart on Jan 1, 2012 11:52 PM PST via Android app reply actions
I really like these fresh/rotten threads
I think they are a good way to collate all the trade responses.
I can’t help but notice that the articles (at least with regards to this trade) are far less friendly than the tweets. Granted, it’s a small sample size, but half of the articles say “rotten”, while all of the tweets are “fresh”.
Trade puts us at 39 on the 40-man roster.
I’m not so sure I’m happy giving up either of those two pitchers, I guess the team felt there were better internal options coming up.
TBD
Maybe I can help you get acquainted with Q!.
When he came to the White Sox, nobody knew who he was either. Then he hit 36 homers in 130 games. He was injured when he tried to smack his bat with his hand in frustrated anger but hit the bat with his wrist and he was done. He can be a head case at times but I think the Padres are a good fit for him. He is a gamble though because he is injury prone and he gets beaned all the time. When he played at Stanford he once was drilled 4 times in one game.http://www.plunkeveryone.com/?tag=carlos-quentin
You also will notice that he is referred to as exclamatory Q! This originated on the White Sox blog southsidesox.com and stuck with him.
Batting average is kinda low but he will put up some great power numbers if he ever plays a full season.
If he stays healthy and controls his radical mood swings, he can be a great addition to the Pads, even if only for a year.
by oahu420 on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
we know he can play baseball, but can he surf?
/asking the tough questions
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by The Kipper on Jan 2, 2012 10:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Fangraphs article
Neat article…
The biggest problem… Quentin is apparently as bad as can be in the outfield…
Not sure how we address this problem.
That being said, his stats (fly ball hitter) actually lead me to believe he could be okay in Petco if the other team does not have a plus defensive outfield, and as long as he pulls the ball…. which according to fangraphs is where he does all his damage.
So, this still seems like a mixed bag.
I think the most likely scenario is… hope for him to put up solid numbers, then trade for prospects at deadline. However, the Blanks/Guzman/Venable/Rizzo/Alonso/anyone else? issue is still present
Yes to Klesko
No to Nevin. Probably not much worse than breaking yourself less than a few games into an attempt at a position.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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I can't tell if that FanGraphs article
is fresh or rotten. They seem to think Quentin will suck in Petco but that it might be a good move by Byrnes to flip him at the half way point.
What do you think? Do they think it’s Fresh or rotten?
I think their position is
less fresh than mine.
And my position is slightly fresh.
I think it’s a good move because Castro doesn’t look like much of a prospect right now and I had never heard of the other guy… So, even if Castro turns everything around,—-he probably wasn’t going to within our organization—-, I think we did okay in that we didn’t give up any top tier prospects (within our system).
On the Quentin side, time will tell, but his power numbers are all to left field, and that’s a good thing in PETCO. The fact that he was a horrible fielder in right… might mean he will be okay in left, but I’m just hoping Maybin can play in like left-center field and cover most of Quentin’s territory as well as all of center.
There's got to be a trade that makes sense with the Orioles.
They’ve got J.J. Hardy at the major league level. He’s a shortstop with 30 home run power. That would be a major trade. We’d have to deal a fair number of surplus prospects to get it done. I’m thinking Rizzo, Darnell, and possibly one of our pitching prospects. Thew infield would look a hell of a lot better with 20-25 home runs at SS.
They’ve got Manny Machado, another power hitting shortstop in thew minors. But he’d likely command the same type of price. Jonathan Schoop is a little further away, but he’s another shortstop that could probably be had for less.
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
i know you guys are just going to aay i am being negative for the sake of being negative
But I still don’t get this move. Homerun hitters have proven to be absolute trash in our park. We need speed and batting average and this guy has neither. I still remember when Jed tried to improve upon what we had for 2010 with a trade and saw what it got us. Fly balls being caught in the outfield to kill rallies and guys too slow to make something.happen on the basepath doesn’t seem too fresh to me. I would have been happy sticking with Blanks. Anyone else remember any other guys with a history of hitting around the 30 homerun mark who had no speed? Nevin, Klesko, Giles, Dudwick? How’d their homerun numbers dare here?
"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman
by cubbuster on Jan 2, 2012 11:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
ouch... Giles?
His last year with us with horrible… but he had several solid seasons, and he adjusted (I think). He went from a large number of HRs to many fewer HRs, but had a strong BB/SO rate and an OPS over .800 several times. And I don’t remember him whining about it too much.
Also, he threw out you know who at home plate… it was a great catch+throw.
Why don't you want people who can hit home runs?
Before Quentin, we barely have anybody who can hit over 10 home runs a year and that would be the case if we played ALL of our games outside of Petco. I don’t think it’s been figured out yet what the “perfect” team is at Petco, but I’d guess that it leans more towards balance (power, defense, pitching, hitting, speed) as opposed to focusing on one or two things to capitalize on Petco and sacrificing our competitiveness outside of the park.
Als, if the knock on Quentin is that he’s slow, doesn’t play enough games and hits for power inconsistently, then I am baffled as to how you prefer Blanks who has all of the same problem except appears in fewer games and hits less.
by Dex on Jan 2, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Power is typically an expensive commodity
and it’s been shown that you don’t get your money worth in Petco.
The best way to get cost effective power in Petco is through trades or the draft (like they did with Quinton).
I'm glad that we got him relatively cheaply (it'll hurt us if Castro manages to find himself, though)
But I don’t know if he’s going to be a win producer for us. And that’s really what it comes down to. If his shoddy defense and ‘meh’ average and deep fly balls into the big-ass Petco outfield cost us more runs than his power does, it’s a negative move.
And unless he produces well over the first 60 games, we’re not going to be able to flip him and the practical upshot is, we just traded two prospects for a hill of beans.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 2, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
So depressing
The “Faith” slogans must’ve been hard to bear for some Gaslamp Ballers I think.
Sure. The downside is that he sucks and takes away playing time from Blanks/Venable/Kotsay/Denorfia (not exactly a set of All Star options currently) in which case we will likely end up no worse than we were last season and have trade bait at the break.
The upside is that he stays healthy, hits for 30 home runs and helps us win the division.
Personally, I believe there are enough smart GMs out there who will recognize value in Carlos Quentin even if he struggles due to the park. Personally, I’m glad to have somebody fun to watch next season. Maybe I haven’t drank enough of the koolaid yet, but I actually like seeing home runs get hit.
by Dex on Jan 2, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Put it like this
Carlos Quentin might be the guy of GLB’s dreams. And GLB is learning to love again after having been hurt so many times before (Ryan Ludwick, Phil Nevin, Vinny Castilla, Ryan Klesko, Jim Edmonds, you get the picture). We’ve got baggage— thanks largely to Petco Park.
Now, we think that Carlos is a great guy— but we don’t know. And we’re hesitant to open our hearts to him when we’re worried that he might let us down like all the failed experiments of the past.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 2, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
ALL of the failed experiments?
Adrian Gonzalez? Brian Giles? Mike Cameron? Mike Piazza?
Also, Vinny Castilla was the MOST meh that I’ve ever been about an offseason acquisition and I’d be perfectly happy with the FO taking shots on Ryan Ludwick types until we hit.
Phil Nevin and Ryan Klesko moped, but they were effective.
Jim Edmonds I just prefer not to remember.
by Dex on Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
don't call Piazza a failed experiment!
I loved him here.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Jan 2, 2012 4:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
my bad
I didn’t actually read what you said.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Jan 2, 2012 4:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I'll give you Cameron and Piazza
Gonzalez was not an experiment. He was a highly regarded prospect we were glad to acquire— even if he hadn’t hit all those home runs with San Diego, he had a better-than-.277 average every year with the Padres.
And Giles was bad. In six years with the Padres, he topped 20 HR only once (2004, when he hit 23). Not a good return for a guy you traded a top prospect (Jason Fcuking Bay) and everyday starter (Oliver Perez, who would’ve done darn well from the Petco Effect) for, expecting that he would be a power hitter.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 2, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Giles was not bad for us.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Giles was great
His last year with us, not so hot. The other years he was good to great. I would LOVE to have a Giles on this team. You could always count on him to have an OBP north of .350. Hopefully Jaff Decker is Giles 2.0
by Antonio Olivares on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
I would love to have a Giles 2.0
hopefully we get the prime years too this time :)
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Jan 3, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
That's crazy talk
Brian Giles was easily one of the best hitters Petco Park has seen and he played right field extremely well for us. Even in his “bad” 2007, he was still one of our best offensive players, but just lost a step on defense.
by Dex on Jan 3, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Also... I almost threw up when you mentioned Oliver Perez
Such a shame to trade away Oliver Perez! Such a shame.
If Jason Bay would’ve been better is neither here nor there. That doesn’t take away the fact that Brian Giles was good.
Also, if you say that somebody is a “prospect”, you are, almost literally, saying that they are an experiment. There’s no way around that. It’s semantics.
by Dex on Jan 3, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Best hitters? Sure. He averaged .279 with a .380 OBP in San Diego.
My bad, I should have clarified. However, the park killed his power stroke. This is a guy who, during his tenure with the Padres. barely scratched 50% of the homers he hit in Pittsburgh, with 600+ more ABs in which to do so.
Sorry, but trading an MLB-ready bat and Major League starting pitcher for a guy you assume is going to be a power hitter leaves a bad taste when he turns around and averages fewer than 12 HR per year. In the sense that we wanted a slugger, and we got a guy with terrific plate discipline, yes, it was a failed experiment.
Also. Perez actually was dreadful as a Padre, but had some reclaimable years in Pittsburgh. Hell, in 2004 he was fourth in baseball in strikeouts. With his flyball tendencies mitigated by Petco Park (which had not opened when he was traded away), he could’ve been a perfectly good back-end starter. Much better than, say, Dewon Brazelton or Ismael Valdez.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 3, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
yeah citifield worked out well for him
by iheartyourfart on Jan 3, 2012 5:47 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think you're way out of context
The Padres were opening a new park and decided that they wanted a proven power bat who turned around and hit 23 home runs in a ballpark where that just doesn’t typically happen. You take away his final injured year (at the ripe old age of 38) and he actually averaged over 15 home runs per season at Petco.
And if you’re still bummed about that trade somehow, look at it this way. Imagine that the Padres were just looking to benefit for the next 3 to 4 years from the trade. In Brian Giles’s three years opening Petco Park he had WARs of, 5.2, 6.4 and 3.5. Jason Bay had WARs of 1.9, 6.1 and 5.4. In their fourth years with their clubs, Brian Giles got hurt and still posted a WAR of 1.7 vs Jason Bay’s -.7, at which point Bay was traded.
So who won? By at least one comprehensive measure, Brian Giles outperformed Jason Bay straight up in 3 of the following 4 years.
I think it’s perfectly fair to only consider 3 or 4 years after the trade consider the fact that Giles was already 32, but looking at their bounce back years… In 2008 Giles posted a 4.7 WAR with the Padres compared to Jason Bay’s 3.1 across two teams.
Meanwhile, I absolutely would NOT have put up with Oliver Perez’s career numbers as a back end started considering the options that the Padres were bringing up through the minor league system. That’s a spot in the rotation that would’ve been totally wasted waiting for him to figure it out.
by Dex on Jan 4, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Bay
he had 1.5 good years as a Pirate, and got hit with the great sticker.
This was enhance by the Manny-Bay trade in Boston, where he performed well for 2 months (but not great),
The the following offseason where he was 1 of 2 premiere free agents and landed an absurd contract in New York.
Giles was the better player at the time of the trade, and the entire time afterwards. (but probably not the better person).
Ollie, was never more than 5 starter that had really good stuff but was the benefit of some good luck to go along with some good strikeouts. (too many walks, HRs, and line drive rate to be anthing but league average).
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strangebro hit it on the nose
Dex, I’m glad that you’re happy about every move that happens on the Padres. I really mean it. Seriously, that’s awesome, and that’s probably why you are such a big contributor to this blog. But I don’t think its crazy for me to wonder if a semi-decent power bat is going to fail here. Its happened more times than not, and erring on the side of cautiousness doesn’t seem all that nuts to me.
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by cubbuster on Jan 2, 2012 5:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
IJALA when I read that.
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hahaha. right?
I know… Because being a member of GLB for three years I totally must not know who Dex is in relation to GLB. Maybe we could make space in the wiki to make fun of me again because I called him a “contributor to this blog”.
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by cubbuster on Jan 2, 2012 11:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm all over that.
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by TheThinGwynn on Jan 2, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Please calm your tits.
Cubbuster, I’m sorry that you get so defensive about things that people say on the internet. I really mean it. Seriously, that sucks, and that’s probably why you are such a whiner on this blog. But I don’t think it’s crazy for me to call out a semi-regular Gaslamp Ball contributor when he says something I find funny. It’s happened more times than not, and erring on the side of humor doesn’t seem all that nuts to me.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I see what you did there
Point taken
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by cubbuster on Jan 3, 2012 7:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think you're crazy...
But you wondered about the bat failure and listed all the guys who’ve failed. I told you all the guys who’ve succeeded.
Also, I HATED the Vinny Castilla trade. I did not like Jim Edmonds coming here. And you have a weird revisionist history if you think that Nevin, Klesko and especially Giles belong in the same sentence as Ryan Ludwick. No wonder you’re depressed. Even our great players are inadequate.
by Dex on Jan 3, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
As for Castilla.... its never fair to bring that guy up
That’s why I didn’t. Wasn’t he 63 years old when he came to the Padres?
"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman
Power at Petco is wasted
We need contact hitters that play great small ball. Not power hitters. That said it doesn’t hurt adding a power guy who can adjust his game. We thought Ludwick was that and he failed, maybe Quentin can be the guy. We’ll find out.
by athletics68 on Jan 2, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Blanks is considerably faster than Quentin
And a better fielder.
by Antonio Olivares on Jan 2, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
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So you'd rather have Coco Crisp playing LF/leadoff and Headley batting cleanup.
Over Headley batting 2nd and Quentin batting cleanup? I like speed and defense too but there’s a limit. You need a few guys who can change a game on one hit.
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
Actually, what is the batting order going to look like...
This is a really good question.
And possibly an intriguing one…. new thread???
What makes you think
Dex is big? Then again, What makes me think Dex is regular?
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Hardy is not a fit for Petco
He is a horrible defensive shortstop with a .320 OBP
My guess is that in Petco Hardy will hit like Khalil Greene…
Horrible defensive SS?
I thought he is widely regarded as one of the best defensive SS’s in the league?
by Antonio Olivares on Jan 2, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
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by TheThinGwynn on Jan 2, 2012 2:24 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Crazy to think
that if the Red Sox didn’t collapse, the Padres would probably be a different team right now. Hoyer still here, no Latos trade, maybe no Quentin trade. I have to admit though, I like where we are, even though we traded my favorite player.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
seems like a lot of people are lacking the proper perspective on this trade
which is that the Padres 2012 season is just an interval of time that will be spent waiting for the now-stacked farm system to start filtering up to the MLB level. there are no stars, barely any recognizable names, no face of the franchise. fan unrest is giving way to fan apathy and the team needs something to put butts in seats. it’s not a “Carlos Quentin will help the Padres compete in 2012” trade, it’s a “Carlos Quentin gives the Padres a name some people have heard of” trade, while hitting the payroll mark they set aside. he’ll probably be Ludwick Part 2, but it doesn’t really matter to the purposes the Padres need him for. people who actually pay attention to the team know all the deals over the last 18-24 months have loaded the farm system, but the majority of fans buying tickets just want a watchable product on the field, and there has to be ONE semi-convincing reason to get people to show up in 2012 that is not the Jim-and-Pam “will-they-won’t-they” dramatic tension of seeing if Venable or Blanks are capable of being decent everyday players. (spoiler alert: it will still be a cliffhanger after the 2012 season)
i can accept this, and agree with most of this
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by cubbuster on Jan 2, 2012 5:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to think that Cameron Maybin has become the face of the franchise.
Seeing as he became our most exciting position player in the 2011 season.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
Maybin was/is our best position player
but not star-caliber enough to automatically be the “face” of the team on opening day. if he follows up last year with more of that promise, it’ll be clear to fans/management that he’s the best asset to “sell” to fans but compared to legit elite OFs like Kemp, McCutch, Upton he won’t sell tickets on his own.
I don't get the hate for this move
Castro and Hernandez were not in the Padres’ immediate plans. It is entirely possible that they blossom into stars, but it is in no way likely. They acquired a right-handed hitter with power potential. Is he perfect? No, that is why the Padres didn’t have to give up major prospects for him.
However, there is no absolute rule that says all power hitters die in Petco. In fact, some actually fare better there than in other places.
Never forget:
In 164 games AT PETCO, he hit: .267/.333/.486
Keep hope alive, fellow Friar fans. Keep hope alive…
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He won't be after Rairf gets a hold of him
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly.
We should also branch this “Tomatometer” idea out like Rotten Tomatoes does and include a “Quality publication” rating in addition to the total rating.
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we could sign fielder
put him in right 8===>
by iheartyourfart on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I suppose Fielder is a dicklover?
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by StrangeBroP25 on Jan 3, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
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by cubbuster on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Jan 4, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
If not for the context,
I would seriously think that’s Jason Whitlock and pancake batter.
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by iheartyourfart on Jan 3, 2012 9:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
Here’s a novel idea (I believe!) Why not bring the fences in at Petco by adding a couple new rows of seats in the outfield? Cost of construction might actually be offset some what by ticket sales of said prime seats and the Padres might become more competitive thus drawing more fans.
The question is where you would bring in the fences.
Would you bring them in around left center? That’s by the bullpen. Not sure how to just put seats in front of the bullpen because that would obstruct everyone, including the dugout, from seeing who is in the bullpen. If you move the fences in center, I’d wonder why. It’s already 396 to straightaway center. That seems right to me. If you bring the fences in by right center, that’s the sand area. Bringing in the fences there doesn’t bring seats, it just gives more room for sand. Then, one can ask, “well, why not just bring in the fences where seats already are, Friar Fever?” Regarding that, I think it would cause for a bit of a mess, maybe. If you add rows of seats, you have to have them angle down as they already are in the bleachers. You can’t have flat rows of seats there because it may cause for obstruction, especially in the bleachers. So, to add rows that follow the pattern of the existing seats, you’d also have to make the fences smaller, I’d think. In right field, there’s the scoreboard that spans nearly the entire wall, but it’s lower than the seats. I guess it’s feasible to add seats there, but it would possibly eliminate that space between the scoreboard and the seats entirely. Maybe a plus? But, left field is a different story. The wall is 2 feet from your seats. To add rows there that go with the section would require you to shrink the wall. Maybe even create the same type of thing they’ve got in Pittsburgh at PNC Park. I’m not a fan of the near ground level bleachers. Plus, the wall is connected to the Western Metal Supply Building. Moving the walls around there might create some type of weird armpit under the balconies of the building similar to what we have in right with the porch.
Now, I may have no idea what I’m talking about here because I’m no structural engineer nor did I pay any attention in the actual building of Petco Park. In fact, I’m not sure I said exactly what I wanted to say in my paragraph above, but I think I’ve been there enough to realize that it may not just be as easy as adding seats and moving fences to make the team better. The ballpark is fine how it is. Plus, wouldn’t every other team reep the same benefits of a smaller field? Every team gets batting practice, so they’ll know the layout of the field sooner or later.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Well said
Good input.
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by mrbarneydangles on Jan 4, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Adjusting the ballpark will not make the team better.
What it would do is make the environment more neutral and in doing so eliminate the “boat race” style of baseball that is currently played at Petco.
If I was making changes, I would extend the porch section an additional two sections and move right center in by 10 feet.
by field39 on Jan 4, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A few options that I see
Bring in the fences in right field and give the visitors an actual bullpen in that space.
Bring in the fences in front of the bleachers and either A) rebuild the bleachers and bring them in closer and expand the park at the park or B) have a bigger sand area and make it more of a feature.
Bring in the left field fence in front of the WMS building and provide more standing room outside of the Padres Team Store.
Bring the fences in front of the batters eye, while it’s true that 396 does seem right for deep Center we have seen to many HR balls die there due to the thick moist sea air.
who cares
if the visitors have an actual bullpen. their visitors. screw them
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Novel idea indeed.
While we’re at it, here’s a couple concepts no one has brought up: bring back the brown and fire Norv.
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by TheThinGwynn on Jan 5, 2012 4:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we should just score more runs
and give up less.
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