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The San Diego Padres and the REAL Moneyball Players

Moneyball, the movie, is coming out soon. Though it reads like science fiction, and contrary to popular belief, the movie and the book were both based on events that actually happened.

Anybody who says that Moneyball is about the players on the field, a particular type of approach to at-bats, or winning a championship did not understand the book the way I understood the book. I mean, the main characters of the book, the ones who actually made decisions and treated the baseball players as the chess pieces that they are, are the front office executives.

So who really cares about Jeremy Bonderman? Answer: Nobody. Miguel Tejada? YAWN.

The real Moneyball "players" you need to know: Billy Beane, Grady Fuson, Paul DePodesta, etc etc.

I mean, really, what's the point of arguing if Jeremy Bonderman's career justified Grady Fuson or Billy Beane? No point other than to try to determine if Billy Beane and Grady Fuson are actually effective at their jobs.

I will not be doing that evaluation.

Instead, I'll point out the Moneyball Players who have come in contact with the San Diego Padres and maybe offer up a little bit of context as to how I personally feel about each of them. This will be useful to you, San Diego baseball Fan who also enjoys a good popcorn flick every now and then. You will have some context and be able to say things to your date like, "That guy right there used to work for the Padres" and "I know a guy from the internet who knows a different guy from the internet who actually hangs out with the dude who that fat dude is supposed to be."

WARNING: IF YOU HAVE NOT READ MONEYBALL OR SEEN THE MOVIE, CONSIDER EVERYTHING AFTER THE JUMP TO BE SPOILERS.

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Paul DePodesta (Not Peter Brand)
From what I've seen of trailers, the Moneyball movie will have you believe that Billy Beane trusted his draft strategy to an uncharismatic computer geek who had never seen baseball in his life and appears to have trouble speaking in front of people bigger than him. In actuality, Beane's right hand man was Paul DePodesta, who served with the Padres as a Special Assistant of Baseball Operations and also as an Executive Vice President. Interestingly enough, Paul DePodesta is also super charismatic, and a terrific communicator as evidenced by his blogging ability, the now legendary DePodesta vs Gaslamp Ball interview series, and the pile of love letters and fan mail he received while in office.

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By the time the events of the movie happen, DePodesta would have already spent three years as an advance scout for the Cleveland Indians. In that capacity, the more amazing story would've been if he somehow managed to not see a baseball or be forced to communicate with men bigger than him. Paul has since gone on to the New York Mets to work as Assistant to the General Manager, who happens to be none other than Sandy Alderson, another form Padres front office employee.

If you read through the interview series, you'll notice that Paul DePodesta actually will say things like, "That's when you rely on your scouts." The book may have you believe that DePodesta didn't even believe that a scout should be trusted, but in actuality, DePodesta's philosophy hinged more on the idea that what's seen with the eyes must be verified with the statistics and what's seen with the statistics must be verified with qualified eyes. This however does not make for drama. In drama, people are not so open minded.

Grady Fuson
Best known in San Diego for instituting a draft pipeline, which I was never able to fully comprehend, right up to the day he was let go. Grady is now back with Billy Beane in Oakland, which is like Episode III or something. Grady Fuson's like a young Anakin Skywalker, well versed in the secret magic that lets him be a front office executive. BIlly Beane is obviously Palpatine, using untrustworthy technology and sun-wrinkled hands. And now the two have come together once again.

Fans of the book will know Grady Fuson as the "bad guy" or, to borrow from the French, the "antagonist". The book would have you believe that Grady was a caveman who was more apt to spot titties on a fat dude than understand the intricate differences between Excel 2010 and a Kindle, but this was not the case.

Rather, Grady's skills as a front office executive were partly honed during his time spent under Sandy Alderson with the Oakland Athletics. Grady was a member of the front office team that helped Oakland achieve World Series prominence.

I never got to interview Grady Fuson because I was scared of him and figured he would probably yell at me.

 

In part two, we continue to cover how the San Diego Padres and Moneyball are linked like Kennedy and Lincoln! Like did you know that in San Diego, we put "Beanes" in burritos, but Bay Area residents eat their burritos with "Hoyers"!?  BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

But no joke, Billy Beane grew up here and has attended UCSD, which is where I went to school. THE DUDE IS A CLOSET PADRES FAN. More on that in the next blog post.

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I once tried to read amazon reviews but couldn't get the information I wanted.

How does the book read? Is it more like a biography or more an analysis? Is it very factual and specific or does it paint in broader strokes? How much should the reader know about baseball statistics before starting?

by kevintheoman on Sep 12, 2011 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

the book is really good

I would think that even non-baseball fans would find it enjoyable. Most of the “new” theories are pretty commonplace now though so it might feel a little bit like, “they didn’t know that?”

by Dex on Sep 12, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really know anything about baseball stats

other than the acronyms for some of them (but not what they mean) and I found Moneyball to be a very interesting read.

I’m also looking forward to seeing the movie.

by scout1222 on Sep 12, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

what is it on the scale of

1 – trade journal
10 – non-fiction drama

Do you learn WHO people are (their personalities), or just learn about what they did?

by kevintheoman on Sep 12, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

It’s been a little bit since I read it, but I’d say it is safe to say it’s at least a 5. Very approachable. It’s not really a complete bio of these people, but it certainly does paint a portrait to some extent of what Beane and Co. are like as people, and how they got where they are.

Dex – what would you say?

by scout1222 on Sep 12, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i'd rate it much closer to a 8

I wasn’t joking in my post when I say that the book is more about the guys in the front office and how they go about their work as opposed to anything else. Especially these days after several years of Sandy Alderson and Paul DePodesta, the statistics part of it is minimal. I clearly remember getting a little misty eyed at one point when Lewis describes the feelings of a player that the A’s drafted who had no idea he was even major league worthy.

I don’t think it would’ve sold as well as it did if it were any more statistics based.

Though to be honest, it was widely enough accepted, that I would just say go ahead and read it. I don’t think you need to be a baseball fan to appreciate it, though a baseball fan would get more out of it. Also, it’s become such a common theme (and will be more so after the movie) that I’d imagine it’s close to required reading for a book loving baseball fan.

by Dex on Sep 12, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've read 3 Michael Lewis books now

He has a style that’s very approachable to the reader and gets you interested in the topic. With Moneyball and The Blind Side I could relate to the subject matter, but with The Big Short I couldn’t tell you anything about credit default swaps beforehand and by the end I could talk about it at length. They key to it was to get you interested in the characters and their stories. What’s their background story, their families, their experiences and how that gets them to do what they do. Somehow he magically mixes in the difficult concepts in these stories and you don’t even notice all the information you’re taking in.

It’s an extremely interesting way of reading a book. There’s not your typical formula of character introduction, followed by their problems, the climax and then a resolution. Instead you just keep meeting different characters until it pains a picture of what happened. Less so with The Blind Side (although that book does go into a bunch of football history to explain why the unique physique of the main character is so valuable to the football business), more so with the other two.

If you want to read the book that Moneyball’s critics (that didn’t read it) think it is then read Baseball Between The Numbers or The Book. If you want to be immersed in the story that the Moneyball movie advertises, but won’t deliver, and empathize with a bunch of individuals that work in the baseball business then read Moneyball.

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by Wonko on Sep 13, 2011 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Needs more spoilers.

Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.

by Friar Fever on Sep 12, 2011 6:20 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

needs more height tags

Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 12, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm disappointed at the way DePodesta appears to be portrayed in the movie

I’ve met him as well. He is an excellent speaker and a good conversationalist, and it was completely understandable for him to ask his character’s name be changed. It’s like the producers assigned the “nerd saves the day” Hollywood stereotype to his character then went out for vodka Red Bulls.

by Melvin Nieves on Sep 12, 2011 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel really bad for DePo

He’s made out to be something he really isn’t, like some anti-baseball monster. Hell, he PLAYED baseball in college. x_x

Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...

by sdchicken on Sep 13, 2011 2:11 AM PDT reply actions  

FYI,
I know a guy from the internet who knows a different guy from the internet who actually hangs out with the dude who that fat dude is supposed to be.

WOULD TOTALLY WORK.

by jodes0405 on Sep 13, 2011 8:44 AM PDT reply actions  

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