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Padres GM Jed Hoyer talks about bullpen, injuries and Petco Park

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  • Trading Adams was a big picture swap.  The Padres needed to trade to get better in the long term. "No one like watching Mike Adams pitch the 8th inning more than I did."  The cost of the 2010 bullpen was very cheap, but were starting to get expensive.  "You can't have the back end of your bullpen taking up a third of your payroll space."  Bullpens need to be constantly regenerated.
  • The Padres play better offensively on the road.  Hoyer says it's tiresome talking about.  He has a hard time explaining it.  The team is 3rd in run scoring on the road and 15th at home.  "We need to figure out a solution to that long term."  Hoyer is open to any solutions.  He thinks "it's part mental" and that's a big reason as to why they haven't had the same success that they had in 2010.
  • Hoyer makes an analogy of hitting at Petco Park like hitting a golf ball into the wind.  He thinks players change their swing and hit with less confidence at home.
  • As an organization the Padres are looking to spring board into 2012.  The young players are auditioning for a spot on the team for next year.
  • Hoyer has talked to Heath Bell's agent a number of times since the trade deadline.  The nature of the conversations will remain private.  Hoyer did clear the air with Heath Bell.
  • Jesus Guzman is making a strong case for himself.  His defense was the only question.  He's making the most out of his chance.  Guzman has very little Major League experience and is controlled for "quite some time".  Hoyer could "absolutely" see Guzman on the team next year, "he's a professional hitter".  Guzman has performed at every level in the Minor Leagues.  Hoyer thinks Guzman plays best at first base.  "He's never going to be a great defender."  He is versatile enough to move to the outfield and around the infield.  He'll play in Venezuela during the winter.  
  • Hoyer isn't thinking about Jesus Guzman blocking Anthony Rizzo.  Hoyer says you have to ride the wave of the player that is performing.  Rizzo, Kyle Blanks and Guzman could all be on the opening day roster next year.  Rizzo will be recalled in September, "I think he'll be here".
  • The drafting process is strange.  The negotiations usually come down to the last few hours.  "We're going to be aggressive and make them good offers, but we're not going to do anything ridiculous.  I think we'll get all these guys signed, I hope we do."  Hoyer promises to make the best effort to sign them.
  • Nick Hundley will very likely be activated for today's game.  Luis Martinez did a very good job and won favor with the coaching staff.
  • Chase Headley has a broken finger and it's thought to be a 4 week injury.  James Darnell and Logan Forsythe get a chance to play in his absence.  Headley would be a perfect #2 hitter.
  • Will Venable has talent.  He's just been inconsistent.  He's shown glimpses of what he can be.  He's a five tool player when he's having a hot streak.  Venable was Hoyer's break out candidate before the season started, but obviously he didn't break out.
  • Cameron Maybin is having a great year.
  • Hoyer says they "always talk about" bringing in the fences but they need to focus on improving in Petco without changing the dimensions.  "It's something that's always under consideration. I don't think it's imminent. I think it's something - we need to get over the Petco hurdle without moving the fences in."

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Bringing in the fences is insanely dumb.

If opposing teams can hit here, we can. Its mental. If Hoyer is taking suggestions, take a page from the Rays: Hire a sports psychologist + a statistician/Saber guy. Have the psychologist work with the players to overcome the “Petco Curse” and have the statistician look at the teams outs and work with coaches to analyze swings to determine approaches that have something in common or to look at physical characteristics that determine exactly what Petco does to hitters.

Anyone who spikes a ball after tagging out a douche like Andres Torres is OK by me.

by MrDanielX on Aug 12, 2011 11:27 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

what he's saying is it affects some of our guys disproportionately bad

chase headley, will venable, etc. have home/road splits that are significantly worse than what can be accounted for by park factors.

by iheartyourfart on Aug 12, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

For example

2011 Opposing Hitters: .240/.303/.359
2011 Padres Hitters: .215/.291/.313

This team (and by this team I mean the 2011 Padres and not any other iteration of the Padres) hits really, really bad at home.

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by Wonko on Aug 12, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

With those spilts. It looks like the Padres hitters are being

excessively patient. Not aggressive enough. They are +.076 OBP over AVG.

This is why they are not driving in runs. They need to be more aggressive with RISP.

Anyone who spikes a ball after tagging out a douche like Andres Torres is OK by me.

by MrDanielX on Aug 12, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you Dusty Baker?

A pirate I was meant to be!
"You say you're nasty pirates,
scheming, thieving, bad bushwackers?
From what I've seen I tell you
You're not pirates, you're just slackers!"

by Zach (maestro876) on Aug 13, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I do not advocate running 22 year old pitchers

153 pitches a game.

Anyone who spikes a ball after tagging out a douche like Andres Torres is OK by me.

by MrDanielX on Aug 13, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dusty Baker also advocates increased aggressiveness

as this flowchart demonstrates.

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scheming, thieving, bad bushwackers?
From what I've seen I tell you
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by Zach (maestro876) on Aug 13, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's only half the picture

Away
2011 Opposing Hitters (away games): .260/.329/.386
2011 Padres HItters (away games): .238/.306/.344

Difference for opponents is .020/.026/-.027
Difference for Padres is .023/.015/-.031

Doesn’t seem to disproportionately affect the Padres; that’s a farce.

by Marver on Aug 12, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa

Think I discovered the strikethrough formatting :)

by Marver on Aug 12, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Might want to check those numbers

the Padres numbers you used are their total season.
While the Padres are on the road,
 they are hitting .259/.320/.372
opponents .257/.356/.380

the difference for opponents is about what you state, but for the padres its a difference of .044/.039/.059…so..yes…quite disproportionate!

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by Nater Tater on Aug 13, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

“No one like watching Mike Adams pitch the 8th inning more than I did.”

Eastbaysd begs to differ

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by Jordan_Ming on Aug 12, 2011 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Our hearts must go on....

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by padmadfan on Aug 12, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

So....

Does Luis get to stay?

by Drama on Aug 12, 2011 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

from the Twitter

Marty1090 Marty Caswell
Padres reinstate Nick Hundley….Luis Martinez sent back to Tucson

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

by Hormel on Aug 12, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Johnson

is out of options. They like his defense and how he handles pitchers.
I get mad every time I see him come up to bat. It is hard to win games when you have a gigantic void in the 8 / 9 spots.

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

by Hormel on Aug 12, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has been hot recently.

But it would be nice if he didn’t look like a pitcher hacking up there.

Only way to avoid a hole in the 9 spot in the NL is to sign one of the rare pitchers who can hit.

I think Wade hits pretty well… and Clay Dick…

Anyone who spikes a ball after tagging out a douche like Andres Torres is OK by me.

by MrDanielX on Aug 12, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Petco Park

I’ve never heard anyone say this, but believe it to be true: Petco is and will remain configured as it is because it is cheaper to acquire mid-level pitching (which will perform in excess of expectations at Petco) than big bats (which will perform below expectations at Petco). As a mid-market team, the Padres have no choice but to go this route. I don’t mean to slight our staff — I think they are good irrespective of the dimensions of Petco — but I think fans need to accept this reality.

by BAB on Aug 12, 2011 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Lol. Mid-market.

A pirate I was meant to be!
"You say you're nasty pirates,
scheming, thieving, bad bushwackers?
From what I've seen I tell you
You're not pirates, you're just slackers!"

by Zach (maestro876) on Aug 12, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lol. Condescending.

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Aug 13, 2011 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

On Guzman, Rizzo, and the bullpen.

Jesus Guzman is currently hitting .327/.365/.520 for a .943 OPS. The guy is just a phenomenal hitter. Just because we have a good prospect in AAA shouldn’t impact what Guzman is doing at the elite level. He’s already made an adjustment to opposing teams trying to pitch around him. He’s slapping breaking balls the other way because he knows they don’t want to pitch to him. He realizes this and is padding his average until the scouting reports get around and they start pitching him in again. At which point he’ll start hitting home runs again. The guy just gets it.

Rizzo is still very young. There’s plenty of time to train him to be a RF. I love his bat, but Guzman isn’t defensively gifted. He won’t tolerate a move as easily as a guy like Rizzo will. Guzman plays a decent first base. He won’t be great but he hasn’t been terrible. I think the same could be true of Rizzo as a RF. Besides, don’t you want to see what the Padre offense could like with Guzman, Rizzo and Blanks all hitting at the same time? It could be great…

I think the long term answer for the bullpen will be to start a “conveyor belt” where our best pitching prospects spend a season in the pen then get sent along to the rotation. It’s good for their development and cheap for the ball club. Simon Castro looks like he might be ready for the bully next season, then maybe Casey Kelly at the break. Then in 2013 Wieland and Erlin, then in 2014 Keyvius Sampson and Juan Oramas, and so on.

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by padmadfan on Aug 13, 2011 12:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I think I'd rather have a hack in right field than at first base.

Having a guy like Cam in center field minimizes the damage done by an average right fielder. Having a good first baseman makes the whole infield better. Besides, I haven’t seen any proof that Guzman is a hack with the glove, his numbers don’t show it at least.

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Aug 13, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I think Guzman will be decent at first base.

I think he’d probably be horrible in RF, though. He’s only had 11 innings there in the minors. Where a guy like Rizzo could be a decent RF or better. Either way were looking at three 1st basemen in the lineup. I’d prefer a configuration where all 3 can be average at their position instead of having one guy stink it up and one guy be a little above average.

Put another way, Rizzo is younger and more athletic than Guzman and I think he could tolerate a major position change better.

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by padmadfan on Aug 13, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

He’s only had 11 innings there in the minors. Get in where you fit in if you’re only there for your bat. I wouldn’t change the position of a player that’s seasoned and experienced in one spot.

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Aug 13, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with both of you.

The Padres are a pitching and defense team, not a “run 3 1B out there and hope for the best” team. A big part of our problem this year is that we downgraded defense (unintentionally, I am sure Jed thought that SS and 2B were improvements… gotta get scouts to evaluate defense better, Rays unloaded Bartlett for a reason).

We need to take this time in the season to run Guzman’s ass out there enough, and have him keep hitting so we can move him in the off season for some more talent. Guzman is a DH who can play a little 1B. I have seem Guzman make a bunch of silly 1B mistakes. (Cutting off the 2B to force the pitcher to make a risky play, not getting to foul balls, not having range to get to balls he has to, letting sharp line drives go over his head that I am sure someone like Gonzo or Rizzo could get to.).

We need elite defense and pitching. Blanks and Rizzo have hundreds of innings at 1B and will save our pitchers pitch counts and improve our team just by being there. 1B is not as much of a “throw away” position conventional wisdom may think it is.

Nor is RF. RF you need an arm and a half, and instincts to the unique walls in Petco.

Anyone who spikes a ball after tagging out a douche like Andres Torres is OK by me.

by MrDanielX on Aug 13, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of what you are saying but I think it would be a huge mistake trading Guzman this off season, especially since we don’t know if Rizzo is ready yet.

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by Art Vanndelay on Aug 13, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guzman under team control ...

“for quite some time,” as Hoyer says. Yes, he’s not great defensively; but he and Headley are the only two Good, professional hitters on the team right now…. Maybin’s having a terrific year and seems to almost be there…. Bartlett and Hudson are professional, but mediocre….

Venable and Blanks have good upside potential, but still strike out WAY too much. (I’m happy to ride with both well into next year, but when you play half your games at Petco and aren’t going to be hitting a lot of homeruns — at least there, you’ve got to have guys who can put the ball in play…. It’s not just Blanks and Venable, of course: pretty much all the Padres players strike out significantly too much.)

Luis Martinez seems to be almost as reliable in the clutch as anyone — except Guzman for sure, except Headley probably, and except Maybin maybe….

Getting rid of Guzman would not seem to be a very good idea….

Of course it’d depend on what was offered in return…. But I’d still rather see him on the club next year (unless we really got someone to “overpay” for him, which seems doubtful).

by jctess on Aug 15, 2011 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Getting rid" of Guzman is about the dumbest thing we could possibly do right now.

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"I Hate SF" - The Chosen One.

by padmadfan on Aug 15, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make a lot of good points.

I recant everything I just said.

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http://marcel-oehler.marcellosendos.ch/comics/ch/1986/05/19860506.gif
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by padmadfan on Aug 15, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adams deal was for the long-term ...

You bet it was. And maybe long-term it will prove a good one…. Only time will tell….

Adams isn’t young, and the two AA pitchers they got for Mike are…. I understand they wanted to trade Adams when his stock was very high, so it may pan out…. But not being able to move Bell was/is a big setback, unless Bell doesn’t accept arbitration should we offer it to him (which we have to do if we want to get the draft picks)…. On the other hand, if Bell doesn’t accept arbitration and walks as a free agent, the back-end of our bullpen could be in world of hurt next year, especially in non-pitchers’ ball parks….

Bell isn’t as good as he used to be, but Adams was our best reliever: now there isn’t anybody you can really rely on in all these tight one-run games. Since Adams left, until Friday night, rookie Josh Spence had been the closest thing we had. Frieri started out like a house-on-fire last year, and we’ve all seen what has happened with him…. Qualls has been mediocre (and may be gone anyway), and Gregerson is highly inconsistent.

Who knows(?), maybe they’ll catch lightning in a bottle next year as they almost did last, but the chances of contending when losing both Adams and Bell are not great, and signing Bell could mean you’re paying a guy who pitches 60-65 innings a year a quarter of your payroll. That = not very smart from a business standpoint.

They should definitely be playing the young guys — obviously the rest of this year, and probably next year, too. It’ll be really interesting to see what happens next year — with respect to the quality of the club and their competitiveness AND fan attendance; attendance should drop off, because, ultimately, trading Adams tells me they’re willing to write off next year.

by jctess on Aug 15, 2011 2:33 AM PDT reply actions  

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