Padres Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM PDT
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PrintLess that an hour and a half before the trade deadline and we have no idea what is even going on right now. Is it Adams? Is it Bell? Is it Adams and Bell? Where is Ryan Ludwick hiding? There are many things going on with the minutes ticking away very quickly. Here's a thread to send your well wishes to whoever gets sent away to where ever they are being sent. Good luck to all of them.
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Looks like it's Mike Adams going to Texas
Does this move Frieri to the set-up role?
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Good god I hope not
Frieri last year, I would be OK with it. Frieri this year is a bust. Sophmore slump or true read on him? I am guessing true read. He caught lightning in a bottle last year.
He's a reliever. They're volatile.
Odds are he’ll be fine.
by Zach (maestro876) on Aug 1, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Good call on the open thread.
Sad to see Adams go. I hear we got the two pitchers we wanted. I wonder how close they are? Losing Adams feels like a white flag for 2012 unless these guys can have an impact soon.
Yea
How old are they? What level? I think Erlin is better/younger, but not sure.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
That's good
Not too far away.
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by mrbarneydangles on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Erlin is a stud and consensus top 40 prospect
Wieland has phenomenal numbers, but doesn’t seem to get a lot of prospect hype, at least on pre-season lists.
Both guys are in in AA. Wieland is 21 now, and Erlin will be 21 in October. Looks like both guys were drafted out of high school. Erlin in 09 and Wieland in 08.
Both are having very strong seasons. Assuming they stay in AA in our Org. that San Antonio team is going to be crazy good.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This is Wieland's breakout year.
He’ll be highly rated going into 2012.
by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Love, love, love this deal!
Both guys get unfairly overlooked in teh prospect community b/c they “only” have average velo.
Don’t know a ton about Wieland besides the fact that he pounds the zone, but Erlin is the real deal.
His command, secondary stuff (curve and change), pitchability, and poise are off the charts. All these traits actually remind me of Haren (obvi, Haren is much taller and is a righty, but their non-superficial qualities are extremely similar).
Erlin’s one weakness has been being vulnerable to the home run, but this will be negated pitching half his games in Petco.
All in all, this is a steal.
Hoyer just landed 40% of his rotation for the next 6+ years, 2 guys who I honestly can’t see being anything less than #3s, and can play up like true #1s due to the park effects of Petco and their own talents.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
*otherwise, I would have them as strong #2s/fringe #1s
BTW, Erlin is basically Jeremy Hellickson from the left side with much better mechanics.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Why on earth would you?
Two pitchers, no shortstop, nothing to help us within 3 years
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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 31, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Why on earth would I love acquiring TWO future #1/#2 starters for a middle reliever?
Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder why!
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
a #1 and a #2?
Try an overhyped prospect who the Padres are interested in because he no hit AA San Antonio and a guy with “all the stuff” but suspiciously no one knows about him or cares.
Not like we could’ve used a shortstop or someone who could actually hit no?
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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
U JELLY
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
they were interested before that last game
So that point is dumb.
by SD Jake on Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think one of them just threw a no hitter against San Antonio
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Weiland right?
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Couple nights ago
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/7/29/2304630/ranger-prospect-joe-wieland-pitches-no-hitter-for-frisco
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by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
and that's impressive against SA's lineup
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by mrbarneydangles on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
DAMN YOU
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I saw the tweet and wrote as fast as I could
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by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
It's all good, haha
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by Jordan_Ming on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm feel weird inside
Anxious as to what may happen next
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
See...I can't even write right
*feeling
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by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Strange that we finally start trading once Luke shaves
Knew that stache was holding us back….
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Twitter jaysonst: #Padres have not told teams unequivocally that Heath Bell is staying. So don't touch that cursor! #trades [
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by mrbarneydangles on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
I had made peace with Heath Bell but Adams is hard to take.
I was okay with Heath because we had Adams. I hadn’t done the arithmetic the other way.
losing Adams is going to hurt us for years to come.
He was, by far, our best arm out of the bullpen. It seems people backed off of Bell due to his high-wire acts the last few years. However, I’m not so sure Adams has the durability of the stout Bell.
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We only had control of him for another year
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
We'd have to pay the full terms of both contracts...
plus a couple of million in punitive damages for what hudson would do to that clubhouse
by EC_padsfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice.
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2011 Numbers
Wieland: carolina league: 85IP, 4BB, 96K; texas league: 44/11/36
Erlin: carolina league: 54IP, 5BB, 63K; texas league 66/7/61
looks like we might have gotten the better end of this one.
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A-Gon + Mike Adams for Kelly, Rizzo, Fuentes, Erlin, and Weiland. All Top 100 prospects.
This system looks drastically better than it did a year ago and we still have to wait and see what happens w/ Bell and Luddy. Props to Jed.
one thing...
How is Kelly ranked as a top 50 prospect? his numbers are horrible.
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Scouts like his potential
He’s athletic and has 3 plus pitches, and is adding velocity the last couple years. It will have to start showing up in the stats soon, but scouts still like his chances of being a quality pitcher. He’s still quite young for his level and hasn’t been pitching full time in pro ball too long.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
Once he learns how to pitch he’s gonna be lethal. Although the numbers are bad this year and last, don’t forget that he has a gaudy 55% groundball rate.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
nice.
must have a heavy sinker.
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For sure.
It’s a shame a lot of our pitching prospects have struggled this year. At least a number of position players are having big years.
We probably won’t have too many guys at the top of the list going into 2012, but the 50-100 range should be littered with Padres prospects.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
one should always look for the proof within the pudding
everything else is propaganda. As a lifelong padre fan,
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...I've had to learn the hard way
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Assuming Bell stays put...
is it Gregerson 8th, Frieri 7th?
I would assume so.
Though Frieri has been really wild this year.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Gregerson scares me.
he has that Mujica tendency to give all up on the first night.
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If we don't trade ludwick, I say we just dump him off in TJ.
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what are the specs?
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Ludwick is in the starting lineup this afternoon...
so maybe a deal isnt that close after all
peace out, Ludwick!
WHOOOOOOOOOOPPPEEEEEEEEE!!!
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We got nothing for him
except more cash for Moorad, which I guess was the point
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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
From Bob Scanlan's Twitter
Jom Bowden reporting Ludwick traded to the Pirates.
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by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice.
Wonder what they got.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
For a player to be named later
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by Friar Fever on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Shucks. Who knows? Maybe it could be someone good from last year's draft and they have to wait a year after he signed.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont care who it is, we just need that guy out of here.
lets bring up Darnell!
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Love Darnell.
What happened last year tho? Was he playing hurt?
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
He had a hand injury. I think it was some sort of cyst that bothered him a good chunk of the year. Really sapped his power.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
not sure.
it looks like every guy has had a hard time their first year in san antonio it seems like the hitters have to make certain adjustments to the ballpark there to succeed. Jaff Decker has struggled this year in AA, it being his first.
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Considering what we gave up to get him
I’d be happy with anyone with a pulse.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
likewise.
basically, we gave up the NL west to get Ludwick.
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I know Jed said none of the moves would be salary dumps
But trading for a ptbnl is almost always a salary dump.
by SeeAnFrockOh on Jul 31, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Two months of Ludwick isn't worth 2.whatever million dollars.
I’d rather throw that money to go overslot on our unsigned picks.
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i'd give him up for nothing if it was necessary
he’s just stealing ABs from guys who actually have potential to do something in a padre uniform
by iheartyourfart on Aug 1, 2011 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
anybody want to guess what next years starting lineup will look like?
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Hudson, Barlett, Maybin, Headley, The rest
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
I guess it's okay we didn't move Bell
Since we can get draft picks back for him.
But I am disappointed we didn’t move Qualls. With his awful year last year there is no chance he obtains type B status. So I don’t see the reason to keep him. If they could have gotten anything for him they should have.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 1:11 PM PDT reply actions
It sucks losing Adams but we made out like bandits in the trade.
I don’t think either will be aces. But with a team like the Padres, you really need as many quality players making the mandatory minimum as possible. The rotation looks set for the next 6 years if we never added an arm. Not a lot of stars in our minors but there sure are a lot of quality pieces.
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So we got two AA pitchers and cash
Nice job sucking Jed – you haven’t made a good move since Maybin.
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This is an excellent move.
Not sure why you’re hating.
Jed just got 40% of the rotation and two guys who will be #3s AT WORST.
It’s a steal.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That's ignoring the pitchers we have already on hand
These are young guys, not their top 10 with one guy riding a ton of recent hype and another guy with the stuff but not getting any hype. Gee does that make anyone else suspicious? Especially for a team that always needs pitching?
No SS (which we desperately need unless Weeks/Cabrera entice you), nothing to help us within 3 years. Instead we get over hype and under hype with no clear plan of action
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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 31, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It has nothing to do with recent hype.
Both Wieland and Erlin are too legit to quit and ur just jelly.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Where are they again?
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2011/2612175.html
Oh that’s right, there back end of the rotation pitchers
Fail
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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 31, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
u mad?
No they’re not. BA just sh!ts on guys b/c they don’t throw hard.
Look at quality of secondary stuff, poise, command, and pitchability.
Then get back to me with your ignorance.
BA misses on guys all the time…never had Avila in the top 100, ranked Pedroia in the top 100 once (had him at 76, LOL).
They said Joba, Hughes, and Bailey would all be #1s. How’s that working out?
Baseball America doesn’t know anything about evaluating prospects.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Wanna provide some proof that these kids are something?
Provide some links and prove it, don’t tell me XYZ say something without the proof to back it up
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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You want to provide proof that these guys are crap and Jed screwed up?
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
Thanks MV.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
how about some proof that they are anything worthwhile
outside of you know hearsay
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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 31, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No, b/c all the "gurus" out there sh!t on Erlin and Wieland b/c they don't throw 95.
And the “gurus” are wrong 95% of the time.
FYI, the MAJORITY of #1s/#2s in Major League Baseball have average to slightly above-average velo.
The assertion that you need to throw hard in order to be an above-average starter is completely and utterly unfounded.
Haren, Weaver, Jaime Garcia, Cahill, Wainwright, Cliff Lee, and Matt Cain all say hi.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Add in "Complete Game" James Shields, Ian Kennedy, Jhoulys Chacin, and Jair Jurrjens.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
They just had Matusz ranked #5 and Felix #9 even though Feliz has bad secondary stuff and command and will never make it as a starter.
Keep hating kid.
Erlin is gonna be a #1/#2 guaranteed.
Same fastball velo, secondary stuff, command, poise, and pitchability as Haren.
How’d Dan Haren turn out despite “only” throwing 89-91?
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
How is that top 10 prospect Franklin Morales doing, babe?
DURRR, can’t throw strikes and has no off=speed stuff, but throws hard, DURRRR
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Erlin was just ranked #35 by Baseball America..should have been top 20 if you ask me.
They big on “velo” and stuff like that. Not as much as Kevin Goldstern but they still overvalue it.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
*They're
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like some good moves.
Although I’m really going to miss Adams. I’ll definitely be cheering for him this year. Wieland and Erlin look like a very nice return. I’m definitely surprised that Heath wasn’t dealt. I’d like to see him take an actual hometown discount in the off-season, not just a partial discount. It’ll be interesting to see what happens. I’m definitely surprised that some teams (the Angels & the Cardinals come to mind) didn’t go after Qualls. I’m sure we weren’t asking for much.
not all prospects work out
so I like it that they got two high rated AA prospects. If one pans out, we have a great long term starting pitching staff. Latos, Richard, Stauffer, Leubke, and one of these guys, plus mix in a veteran or LeBlanc as needed. Not bad. NOW GO GET A HITTER!
Really surprised we kept Bell
Now I’m hoping we re-sign him.
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by mrbarneydangles on Jul 31, 2011 2:09 PM PDT reply actions
MLBtraderumors.com on the two prospects.
Erlin and Wieland, who are both represented by Sosnick Cobbe Sports, ranked fourth and 22nd in Baseball America’s preseason Rangers top 30 prospects list prior to the season. Wieland has seen his stock rise since then, with a 1.23 ERA in 44 Double-A innings – including a no-hitter his last time out. Erlin, a 20-year-old southpaw, is considered among the top 35 prospects in the game by Baseball America and Kevin Goldstein.
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I know it's a common strategy to go for pitching and more pitching,
But I am concerned that we didn’t get a position player. Are we going to continue to be the team with great pitching and zero offense? Also, given what our ballpark does for aging free agent pitchers, do we need to focus so much on having young pitchers in the pipeline?
you still need top of the rotation guys
they typically aren’t the kind that sign with us
by iheartyourfart on Jul 31, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Really, our starting pitching is just average at best
I know our staff’s ERA might be pretty good, but that’s mainly a product of Petco. On a good pitching staff Richard, Harang, Moseley are 5th starters, Stauffer and Luebke 3/4 types. We need more guys like Stauffer, Luebke and Latos and fewer guys like Richard, Harang, Moseley, LeBlanc.
Look at our starting staff’s WAR of 6.1, good for 24th in baseball. I do think that’s probably a little inaccurate, but our staff isn’t better than middle of the pack. It’s nice to be able to pick up a guy like Harang or Moseley at below market value, but it would be nicer to not have to.
I do agree though that ideally we would acquire position player prospects, but in a trade for prospects or a draft you have to go best player available. Only consider position if it’s close.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Luebke has pitched like a borderline ace and Stauffer has been a legit #2.
Petco has had zero influence on his close to 4:1 K:BB ratio and he has actually pitched better as a starter than a reliever.
Stauffer has a 3.31 ERA away from Petco.
Loobs has a 2.08 ERA away from Petco and a dead even 4:1 K:BB ratio (40:10).
These 2 guys are far, far better than 3/4 types.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
btw 4:1 K:BB is elite.
Less than 10 guys do this per year in all of baseball.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I take it back.
Luebke has pitched like a bona fide ace.
He has been incredible this year.
If he’s a 3/4 then Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee are 2/3 types LOL.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Luebke has a 2.89 xFIP (removes park effects so it takes out the influence of Petco)
That is 6th in Major League Baseball (70+ innings).
He is ahead of Verlander, Sabathia, Lincecum, and Felix.
I heard those 4 guys are okay.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Luebke has been great and I like him a lot
He has also pitched 75 innings this year, and less than 100 in his career. LeBlanc still looked pretty good at 75 innings into last year (granted not as good as Cory) and he’s a fringe MLB pitcher at best
Exactly.
I like Luebke a lot. I just don’t think he’ll be able to sustain this level over the 5 more years we have him. I think he’ll be a good valuable 2-3 WAR player, maybe a little more, but lets not get carried away.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Good thing is that even with a significant regression in strikeouts, he's still a 3:1 K:BB guy making him a legit #2 (independent of park effects).
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure xFIP is not park-adjusted
It just adjusts HR rate to league average.
Luebke is a good pitcher and I’m happy to have him in the rotation, but he’s not an ace and not a #2 on a good staff either. Though I’d be happy to have a staff of Latos, Luebke, Stauffer and 2 more like Luebke or Stauffer. Which seems doable in 2013 with those guys we have down at AA now.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
But I guess..
Adjusting HR rate and BABIP to league average should negate any park effects.
Anyway, I still stand by what I said Luebke is good, but not front of rotation good. I hope I am wrong though!
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Word.
Tagging him as being a #3/#4 was just toooooo harsh son.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think a #3 tag is bad though
A legit #3 costs a lot of money on the FA market
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Well #3/#4 was suggesting that he is average to below-average which I disagree with.
And believe me, AO, I am not expecting him to keep up this level of performance.
But even with a regression, particularly strikeout-wise, he is still one of the better pitchers in the game, making him a #2.
Factoring in park effects, his ERA will play up as a #1.
As I said earlier, you factor in Ks and BBs or pull up FIP and xFIP, and he’s been one of the 10 best pitchers in the game.
Even with a hearty regression, he’s still top 40, making him an easy #2/fringe #1.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
*top 30
I mean, for Pete’s sake, the guy has an elite 9.6 K/9.
You don’t post a gaudy K rate like that by accident.
The man is too legit to quit.
And his stuff may not be sexy, but he’s low-90s from the left side with a good slider and great changeup.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, I am expecting that strikeout rate to drop, but coupled with a very low walk rate makes him a fringe #1 and no doubt #1 if ur including park effects.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I didn't mean average to below average
Just like there aren’t 30 true aces, there probably aren’t enough legit #2 or #3 guys to go around either.
An average pitcher is probably a 4th or 5th starter to me.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, okay.
That makes sense. Yeah, I’d prob say there are around 15 true #1s.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
if you have 5 #3, you would have a top 5 rotation
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Yeah, that's what I mean.
So pitching in Petco wouldn’t benefit his xFIP.
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 31, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone else see the rumor that the Pads and Bell's reps are talking?
Sounds like something might be in the works. Can’t say I’d mind locking Bell up long term.
Word is he wants a 3 year deal
But he’s also standing by his comments that he’ll give the Pads a “hometown discount.” Which to my mind seems reasonable.
I just feel like unless it's a substantial discount it doesn't make sense
I don’t think any team should spend more than a tenth of their payroll on a reliever. Unless Bell signs for like 4/5M a year then we shouldn’t do it.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Frankly a reasonable salary for Bell shouldn't be a tenth of our payroll
I mean if a team like Oakland can have a $66 million dollar payroll there’s no reason the Padres can’t either.
I hope we sign Bell long term
That would be awesome to keep a legit All Star. Plus when we make this push in two years, it needs to be a mix of veteran leaders and up and comers. To me, Heath Bell and Chase Headley are those veteran leaders that will prove to be valuable.
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by mrbarneydangles on Jul 31, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
this is true
losing jerry hairston jr, chris young, garland, stairs, etc. have hurt us a lot this year and it had nothing to do with the on-the-field product
by iheartyourfart on Aug 1, 2011 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, we can resign Stairs if you want
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Word
Hopefully the new TV deal means payroll will be starting with a 6 or 7 within a few years.
by Antonio Olivares on Jul 31, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
New Setup
7th – Qualls
8th – Spence (the kid is lights out)
Frieri is not reliable and Luke hasn’t been the same since he’s gotten back. Bring up Brach and let Thatcher close @ Tucson.
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by bringbackbuddytrees on Jul 31, 2011 10:23 PM PDT reply actions
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