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Padres GM Hoyer isn't blaming hitting coach, isn't certain if he'll trade Heath Bell

XX Sports Radio: Jed Hoyer Interview with Darren Smith (MP3)

  • Hoyer didn't get a break during the All-Star Break.  "Having 3 days off after those last 5 games was pretty awful." 
  • The Padres have 3 losing streaks longer than 5 games.  "We just haven't been able to stop from having those ruts this year and I don't know what that is."
  • Hoyer doesn't have a theory as to the difference between last year's team and this year's.  He obviously knew the impact that Adrian Gonzalez had.  "You look at the rest of our line up right now position by position, I still feel really good about it compared to last year."  Gonzalez "buoyed" the team more than they imagined.
  • Hoyer says fans should not expect to see any changes on the field by Thursday.  "On Thursday you'll see the same group."  They can make changes at any time.  "If things continue how they are then we'll make changes."
  • Hoyer says to focus on him and the players for their poor hitting, not Randy Ready.  "Being a hitting coach for the San Diego Padres is a great challenge."  Ready is working hard, he didn't go 0-25 with runners in scoring position over the weekend.  "It's an organizational failure so far offensively."  Padres need to score more runs in Petco Park. "Pinning it on Randy right now is the wrong thing to do.  I think you have to pin it on everyone, from me to Buddy to the players. "  Hoyer knows that Dave Magadan was a scapegoat in San Diego but did a great job for the Boston Red Sox.
  • Hoyer isn't sure if he will trade Heath Bell. "At this point right now, I'm not certain."  It's a possibility.  There will be discussions at some point.  "It's been a pleasure having him."  He can't answer the question directly.  He has not been told to trade Bell.
  • On deals at the deadline: "If players are not going to be here or players are going to price themselves out of our payroll range, you've got to look to the future."  That's the reality of Padres baseball.  Some fans that understand it and some who don't.
  • The reason to keep Heath Bell is to continue to talk to him about his future with the team past 2011.
  • Hoyer did talk to the Brewers over the past few months.  "We never exchanged names, we never had any serious conversations about any of our pitching."  Theoretically the Padres are asking for a lot for Bell because he's one of the best in the league.
  • Hoyer won't answer if Heath Bell or Mike Adams has more trade value.  They're both great relievers.  "I'm not going to get into talking about who has more value."  The Padres control Adams next year, which is also why other teams may want him more.  It's possible that on August 1st that the Padres have both Bell and Adams on the team.
  • Hoyer didn't see Heath Bell slide into the pitcher's mound.  He got calls and texts and he got nervous.  "I had no idea what happened."  Since Bell didn't blow out his knee then all is well that ends well.
  • It's been challenging dealing with the frustration of the 2011 season.  "It makes you work that much harder."
  • Hoyer says fans might be surprised how calls from other GMs ebb and flow with the Padres' record.
  • Hoyer says they talked about Anthony Rizzo.  They wish he would have face more failure in the Minor Leagues. He's experiencing growing pains and has to make adjustments.  "He probably has some mechanical things he has to fix."
  • Brad Hawpe will be back with the team this year.  He's still rehabbing right now.
  • The Tampa Bay Rays have done a great job and Hoyer says the Padres want to emulate them.

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Seems like the Padres haven't played, in like,

forever. Glad I’m going to tomorrow’s game.

Payback time.

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by eastbaysd on Jul 13, 2011 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

hoping for a sweep

so I can back on the bus

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

by Hormel on Jul 13, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's see how they start playing

And then you can decide

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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 13, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

my heart wants to keep bell, but my head says adams

i doubt we would trade them both (along with qualls who is as good as gone). at this point i’d probably just go for whoever gives us a better return (assuming we sign bell mutliyear or perhaps even get 2 comp picks for him)

by iheartyourfart on Jul 13, 2011 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess we can take the Brewers off the table.

They got K-Rod so we can scratch that name of the list of suitors.

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by padmadfan on Jul 13, 2011 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

they are looking for upgrades to left side infield

I’ll give them bartlett for very little

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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 13, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

part of me would be down to send him there for a PTBNL or cash

but then we still won’t have a shortstop. i think bartlett can be kind of effective in a jhairston sort of role as a super-utility guy, but everyday he is a liability.

by iheartyourfart on Jul 14, 2011 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the very least

this means we can finally see whether Cabrera can perform or not

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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 14, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with that plan is it's probably "not".

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by padmadfan on Jul 14, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

his AAA stats beg to differ

he’s hitting well, drawing walks, and cut his strikeouts dramatically

by iheartyourfart on Jul 14, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep Heath

Bell’s a gamer, one of the good guys, and the best there is at what he does. He’s kind of freaking Wolverine in a Padres uniform! Keep Bell, worry about Adams next year. Keep the pitching staff intact and rely on defense for this year.

And I know this is beating what may be a dead horse, but please, please consider revising Petco’s outfield dimensions. The pitching will be there, and it would be sooooo nice to have some scoring to back the guys on the mound up during home stands. If a bat knows that he’ll be able to hit 15-20 dingers at home, what is not to like about SAN DIEGO?! And people will come out to see 6-3, and 5-4 type scoring…

Wasted enough time…

Peace.

by Stevegarveyisnotmypadres on Jul 13, 2011 8:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't see how changing the dimensions will help a bat be able to hit 15-20 dingers

You’d be talking about 2-3 HRs a year increase tops. I don’t think that’s enough to increase their confidence.

Plus, I don’t really believe that it’s the lack of HRs that gets in these guys’ heads. It’s the way Petco suppresses everything hitting-wise. When a player’s batting average suffers he’s going to notice it more than a couple HRs a season. It gets to you when you feel like you’ve been walking off the field after at bats more times than you are used to.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't blame Petco, they didn't hit in Coors, Target, Safeco or L.A.

When they get going, they hit decently, but one extra inning setback, and they’re back in a funk at the plate. They need a scrappy influence among the players/coaches like they had last year with Eck on the field and Simmons in the dugout. Bud’s not the fiery type to keep them from going through the motions and push them to be aggressive. Lesser talent can win, but like Avis, they have to try harder.

by wegotballsley on Jul 15, 2011 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

All-Star break drinking game

Listen to this interview and take a shot every time he says “y’know.” You’ll die of alcohol poisoning within 3 minutes.

by hishta7 on Jul 13, 2011 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the warning...

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by eastbaysd on Jul 13, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you don't want to die of alcohol poisoning

Then go with every time he says “fair”. He’s got to say that at least a few times in every interview he’s ever done.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You'd be dead in 60 seconds if you played the same game with Buddy

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by creanium on Jul 14, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hitting Woes

“Hoyer knows that Dave Magadan was a scapegoat in San Diego but did a great job for the Boston Red Sox.”

Hmmm, thats like comparing Saks 5th Ave merchandise versus Wal-Mart generic brand merchandise. Should Jed Hoyers’ new nickname be Captain Obvious?

by U.S. Expat on Jul 14, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

If it was that obvious

That it wasn’t Magadan’s fault because he was dealing with Wal-Mart generic brand merchandise, then why did he get fired?

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should not have been

Anyone who spikes a ball after tagging out a douche like Andres Torres is OK by me.

by MrDanielX on Jul 15, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's the point Hoyer was trying to make

I don’t think it’s obvious to everyone that Magadan should not have been fired.

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by Wonko on Jul 15, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like hoyer's plan of emulating the rays

better than kevin towers current plan of emulating the mid-2000s padres

by iheartyourfart on Jul 14, 2011 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Although, in the interview he admits

That they can’t emulate the Rays. They have to chart their own path. Maybe closer to what the Twins were before they got ginormous gobs of money from their ownership that had been hoarding it for years.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That last sentence I added

Hoyer only said that they don’t plan to pick in the top 5-10 in the draft for most of a decade like the Rays did.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whenever I hear people talk about The Rays model, I cringe.

They build that team on a series last place fiishes and top ten draft picks.

by field39 on Jul 14, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

In part they did

It’s not key to their model, but it certainly accelerated their ability to win once the new management took over.

Finding Carlos Pena, building their bullpens, trading for Zobrist, fleecing the Dodgers a couple of times, fleecing the Mets to get Kazmir and then fleecing the Angels when they unload him, signing key, cheap role players (like Iwamura, Hinske, Gross, Floyd, Kotchman), hitting on picks after the first round (Hellickson, Moore, Sonnanstine, Crawford, Zaun, Jaso, Brignac, Davis).

There are a lot of things the Rays do well without spending big that can be emulated.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no evidence

to suggest that what the Rays did was anything other than good fortune. Cheap role players are simply that, and we already have a roster full of them that have proven incapable of doing anything without the high draft pick studs to compliment them.

Sure, they’ve done well in some respects, but it would all go unnoticed, and be useless, if they didn’t have 4+ WAR players in Price and Longoria that were gifted to them at the top of the draft.

Even if the Padres tried to follow the Rays model, the Padres surely would never shell out the dough for Price and Longoria in the draft anyways.

Face it; all the statement is, is a cheap cop-out to justify their frugal spending. Dropping from 72 million to under 40 million in less than two years, immediately after taking the franchise is completely unacceptable, especially when the real price of other products in the world increased over 35% (in dollars) over the same time-span. Basically, our payroll was slashed over 50% in real terms.

And somehow you’re ok with the statement: “we’re trying to emulate the Rays model except without the aspects that actually make the whole thing work…the high draft picks.”

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

They would never shell out for Price or Longoria

Really?

Because Longoria got a $3M signing bonus, David Price got a $5.6M signing bonus and Donovan Tate got a $6.7M signing bonus.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, once

the Padres paid over slot for a prep player. For each one of those I can point at a Matt Bush, Allan Dykstra, Nick Schmidt, Karsten Whitson that the Padres either selected due to signability, or failed to sign due to frugalness.

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do Bush, Dykstra and Schmidt have to do with this?

They were all signed by the previous ownership and only Bush was a guy where they overdrafted for signability.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dysktra and Schmidt

Certainly were very signable picks. They weren’t prep players, had docile agents, and one of them was a local product.

Regardless, slashing the payroll by 30 million and then saying “hey look at that 6 million we spent!” is hardly a convincing argument.

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you have to slash the payroll $30M

And yet you are able to still prioritize the draft (as opposed to what the previous ownership did), I think that’s a good sign. They want to finally have talent in the farm system as opposed to ignoring it like they did for the previous 15 years.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Indeed

And there is good evidence to suggest that they are putting significant money into the draft. Hoyer has greatrly increased the number of scouts, for instance.

Part of the strategy appears to be to take some risks on those players that fall due to signability questions (which was also partly the Red Sox model). We’ll see if the Padres can sign them, but this year’s draft crop is pretty highly rated with first round talent like Austin Hedges taken quite late. Tom Krasovic has a nice, hope-inducing piece on it all.

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by Aussie fan on Jul 14, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

“The Tampa Bay Rays have done a great job and Hoyer says the Padres want to emulate them.”

Such a great job that no one goes to their games. If what he means is they’ve done a great job at developing talent, then that means we Padres fans should prepare for eight straight seasons having a top 8 pick in the draft…aka eight straight seasons with a bottom 8 finish in MLB’s standings.

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Did you listen to the interview?

Jed specifically said that he didn’t want to emulate picking that high in the draft for so long.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I don't particularly like listening to sports radio

Then how does he propose we emulate the Rays (who actually had ten straight top 8 picks, not 8)? 4 of their main players (Longoria, Upton, Neimann, Price) were all top 4 picks in the MLB draft. They used another in Delmon to get an arm that helped propel them to the World Series.

What exactly have they done that is so impressive other than cash in on high draft picks? Signing Carlos Pena, fleecing Ed Wade (for Zobrist), and hitting on 16th round prep arms that were picked a half decade before you got to the organization can hardly be a successful model to follow.

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you read the Extra 2%

If not, I’m going assume by how you’ve gone about this conversation that you don’t like to familiarize yourself with the topics you are discussing before you discuss them.

You obviously have a predisposition to dislike the Padres and don’t really feel the need to lookup anything that would help establish any of those points in fact.

I’d love to discuss this with you at a more logical level, but I feel this conversation degrading already. I’m sorry that you feel the way you do.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quite familiar

With the extra 2% as I engage in the weekly discussion with the author of that book over at fangraphs.

If you want to speak about things logically, how about you logically assess how the Padres can possibly succeed using the Rays model without having top selections, when the entire success of the model is predicated on two 4+ WAR players who they selected at picks 1 and 3 in their drafts?

If you want to speak about things logically, how can you possibly justify a payroll of 38-45 million when the payroll less than three seasons ago was 72 million? (For the record, I blame MLB for allowing the sale of a franchise to an ownership group that couldn’t financially complete the sale immediately. Of course that would lead to frugality on the part of the outgoing owner, and the incoming ownership group (that could very easily point the finger at the outgoing group!)).

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would I suggest that they would succeed using the Rays model?

That’s not the topic of conversation. It seems to be the way you want to steer it, but Hoyer said that they just want to emulate some of the things the Rays do.

I think that’s a good idea because the Rays seem to do well with a lot of things besides picking in the top 8. And they do it with a below average budget, which is something the Padres will always be saddled with.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

"And they do it with a below average budget, which is something the Padres will always be saddled with."

There’s a big difference between “below average”, like the old ownership, and "one of the lowest’, like the new ownership. Speaking of ignoring facts…

New Ownership
2011: $45 – 27th
2010: $37 – 29th
2009: $43 – 29th

Old Ownership
2008: $73 – 19th
2007: $58 – 24th
2006: $70 – 17th
2005: $63 – 17th

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is true.

It’s unlikely that the Padres will reach those levels again without getting attendance back to those levels, getting sponsorship fees back up to those levels and getting ticket prices back up to those levels.

The best way to do that is to build a more entertaining product. One that wins. The only way to do that with this payroll is to build through the draft.

Perhaps they can help with the payroll by increasing other revenue streams like new TV contracts, which they are working on.

I just don’t see any reason to bitch about it. And, since it’s my home town team, I have to have some hope that this strategy can build a winner. The situation is what it is. You can’t wish it was something else. It takes work and time to change. I believe that this ownership has the capability to do that.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reasonable response

But your argument is predicated on “this payroll” being that of the new ownership, while I’m saying we could be winning now if we still had “that payroll” of the old ownership. The difference between the current payroll and the old payroll is more than the salary of Adrian, and it’s more than the salary of Adrian AND a quality free agent.

Sure, building through the draft can work. But when you’re slashing the payroll 30 million, and only increasing the draft/scouting/intl. signing budget by less than 10 million…you’re depriving your fanbase.

Some of us — like you — are okay with accepting that. Some of us — like me — refuse to expose myself to the possible exploitation that this is all just a profiting ploy behind a plausible guise. And the history of baseball ownership would suggest that guise is more likely than you suspect.

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not accepting that they can ever be competitive in the long run

I’m accepting that the current situation logically requires that they had to lower the payroll. The only way to increase that is by increase revenue. Increasing revenue meaningfully usually comes from winning. Somehow they have to find a way to win with the revenue streams that they have in order to win later with increased revenue streams. That’s the business. That’s their objective.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoops

That title line “I’m not accepting that they can ever be competitive in the long run” should have been followed with “with the amount they are currently budgeting for payroll”.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

As I’ve pointed out before, that 2008 number is opening day payroll. They didn’t actually pay that money since they traded away players. That was after the Moores divorce, but before the new ownership took over. That’s when the attendance started to go down and when the payroll was first cut.

The next season they lost many sponsors due to the team’s poor performance and dwindling attendance. They also cut ticket and concessions prices.

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by Wonko on Jul 14, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bottom line is

The Padres are an EXTREMELY boring team to watch; the best hitter in the lineup has 2 homerus for crying out loud! And on top of that, the team isn’t good (or close to good), has few impact bats in the pipelines, and will never sign an impact FA bat.

by Marver on Jul 14, 2011 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Quick question

Did you enjoy the team last year and the run they made?

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by Aussie fan on Jul 14, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Marver didn't but I did.

They weren’t a good hitting team last year, even with Adrian, but they got the hits when they needed them. This year, just the opposite. Maybe they’re only good in even numbered years.
Wait ’til next year!

by wegotballsley on Jul 15, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

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