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I'm just throwing some ideas out, feel free to blow them to pieces at your heart's content. All the experts in the room, at least show me what you can come up with.

Padres trade 3B Chase Headley to Cardinals for OF Colby Rasmus & P Casey Mulligan

Right up front, I don't like Headley very much. For all the talk about being a savior and a power hitter he can't hit for power any more than Sean Burroughs. He is a good defender and can get on base, but that plus his price means we can’t afford to keep him around. We have James Darnell waiting in AAA and Jedd Gyorko right behind him so we have options for 3B in the near future. I want more power out of that position and will trade him to a team with power to spare in need of a 3B. With Headley there, the Cards get a long term solution who can provide some great OBP and very good defense over Freeze and others. Rasmus could team with Maybin to give Petco two outstanding defensive outfielders with good pop and good speed. He would be a huge upgrade from Venable and desperately wants out. Mulligan is a AA pitcher with a unique action as a right hander who can get out left handers. He would provide some good bullpen depth and give the team a unique addition pitcher without the fail of Pat Neshak.

Padres trade P Mike Adams & LHP Wade Leblanc to the Yankees for C Jesus Montero & RHP Andrew Brackman

I'm trading Adams for three reasons; 1) He's under control for longer and younger than Bell. This means the Yankees can lock up Adams long term as the set up man for Rivera before he retires and then the job goes to Adams. This means the Yankees don't have a closer problem like would be the case with trading Bell (2 month rental + wants to close period). 2) Adams is getting alot more attention and thought of higher then Bell, in part because of #1. 3) If the Padres decide to keep Bell they can not only bridge the gap between current bullpen and the young guys like Spence/Brach as well as show the Padres will keep some of their stars. If your going to keep someone keep a great face that wants to stay here and take a San Diego discount. Plus I'd toss in Leblanc as a left handed specialist, I don't care just get rid of him.

Montero is redundant in the system, they don't need a 1B or a DH (have those in spades) and they have sufficient backup catchers in Sanchez and Romine along with Martin and Posada still there. Montero has power for days, he's stewing in AAA. We need a real upgrade over hundley, who I'm ready to cut bait on. Put Montero in the majors watch him blast the ball even in Petco. He might not be a long term catcher but let's see how long he'll go. He's a big powerful player. Brackman is improving off an injury and is projected as a closer, something they don't need with Adams in short or long term. He might not be our closer but would be another stockpiled reliever

Padres trade OF Ryan Ludwick to the Phillies for OF Jiwan James

The Phillies need pitching but they also need some good hitting in the outfield especially with little production out of Brown/Francisco/Ibanez. Ludwick has shown great hitting ability.  The Phillies need some more offense and for a fairly low price, the Padres are willing to oblige. If anything they need Ludwick out of the way so that Blanks can start. Jiwan James is a left handed speed demon who is a perfect lead off hitter (think Fuentes but with ability to hit it OUT of the infield). He's seen as a fast rising prospect who would fit well in the petco system. For another if combined with Spandenburg it'd make a formidable, fast OBP machine at 1-2, something the padres haven't had since the 90s.

Padres trade SS Jason Bartlett, P Dustin Moseley & RHP Chad Qualls to Milwaukee Brewers for RHPs Robert Hinton, Eric Arnett and Matt Miller

If the Brewers are legitimately happy with Betancourt at SS I'll eat my hat. Yes Bartlett has not been as good as advertised but he'd be a marked improvement over Betancourt and at the lower part of an order on a winning team, I’m sure magically we would see improvement in Bartlett's game. Qualls was expected to be traded and would provide some good veteran bullpen support to the Brewers. Moseley is pitching better then expected and has shown great talent, something the Brewers need in the back end of their rotation. Hinton is a good fastball slider pitcher who strikes people out (sound familiar) and Miller is a dominating power right hand pitcher in low A, something we are missing. Arnett is a talented pitcher two years ago who took a step backwards with his control this year. I think he's more likely to improve then to keep falling apart.

Padres trade P Aaron Harang to the Tigers for OF Avisail Garcia

The Tigers need a fifth starter, someone with experience who can play in big games. They've had nothing but trouble from that fifth spot and its questionable if they want to throw their top prospect right into the fire in a pennant chase. If they decide to go the veteran route, Harang would be a low cost alternative. Garcia will still be a teenager until June but should be in right field and is sized beyond his years at 6'4" and 232 pounds (according to the media guide). He's big and runs well but is still a baby who has been rushed alot. I basically want him in low A and just to learn as much as he can, but he has alot of talent for such a big player

And I don't know who to deal for them but PLEASE just get rid of Hudson, Hawpe and Venable by any means

So our lineup is now

C: Montero
1B: Rizzo
2B: Forsythe
SS: Cabrera
3B: Darnell
LF: Blanks
CF: Maybin
RF: Rasmus

SP: Latos, Richard, Luebke, Stauffer, Inman
RP: Bell, Gregerson, Spence, Brackman (bring him up), Brach (bring him up), Bass

This FanPost was written by a member of the Gaslamp Ball community and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Gaslamp Ball managers or SB Nation.

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Colby Rasmus

Already has Petco like numbers and doesn’t play in Petco yet. Plus he’d lose value by switching to a corner. You’d basically be throwing Headley away. Gross.

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by Wonko on Jul 12, 2011 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I admit this one was a bit of a stretch

Don’t think he’s happy there and don’t think he’s really gotten a chance to play like he wants. Think he’s alot like Maybin – just let him play and do his thing. I could be wrong but I think he’d be worth a chance.

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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 12, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rasmus' problem is having too much attitude

and he really isn’t a solid fit for Petco/the Padres. Plus, the Cardinals would have no interest in Headley. Yes, the Pads’ former prospect Freese has been injured too many times as of late, but he’s still considered a better hitter than Chase.

I’m worried that Hoyer might do something stupid like trade Adams for Rasmus though, but I have faith that Jed is looking out for what’s best for the Padres as a team. Rasmus has great talent, but his head’s a little too far up his own ass.

by recorddigger on Jul 12, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just think that even if he started to tap into what scouts used to like about him

It would be all or nothing power with lots of strikeouts, which doesn’t fit what you want for Petco. It would just be preferable to get a player that won’t have the best aspects of his game hurt by his home ballpark.

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by Wonko on Jul 13, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus Montero

There’s no way the Yankees trade him away for just a relief pitcher. They’ve already passed on acquiring All Star level starting pitching by trading him. Try again.

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by Wonko on Jul 12, 2011 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

and a lot of people don’t believe he will stick at catcher. his bat will play anywhere, but all of a sudden we have a glut of talent at the infield corners anyway. montero would be an overpay if we could get him at all. and there’s no way we put together a big enough package to get him.

by iheartyourfart on Jul 12, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

If your referring to Cliff Lee

The Yankees were under the impression that the Mariners had agreed to the deal then all of a sudden Texas landed him. Yankees were absolutely willing to trade Montero. Now, his value is down and there are more questions about him. Add to this the improvement and continued development of Romine and Sanchez as mentioned and Montero is clogging the farm system And considering that Adams could be one of the most highly sought after targets I could see a big pickup in exchange for him. And frankly I’d stick him at catcher until and unless he proves he absolutely can’t play there. I’ll trade some defense for some pop – and there are big catchers that can play see Mauer

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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 12, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If his value is down

Why would they trade him? You don’t trade high end assets when their values are low.

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by Wonko on Jul 13, 2011 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we are going to be rosterbaiting might as well go for the gold, but be at least realistic.

I have a problem when people start asking for what they want, more then what the market can realistically provide. The Yankees you love Adams, but not so much so to give up that kind of value (adding LeBlanc only decreases the return). We might be better off dealing Headley, but at least look at the Cards, they want to add pitching to the minor league system hence the report targeting the Rays and Braves.

Personally I would loved if we targeted to groups of prospects. One to join the Darnell/Blanks/Rizzo/Decker/Kelly/Castro core that should be in SD before the end of 2012 season. The other to join with Sampson/Barbato/Liriano/Galvez that may be ready before 2014. And forget about guys that project to at least make the majors, we have those types. These trades need to be risks for the Padres, and maybe major ones. We need to target guys that have some star upside to them (most likely to be done in the lower minors). Think pitchers with above average stuff (movement + velocity), hitters with high OBP skills and gap power, or hitter with true plus power (anything less isn’t going to play in PETCO).

Don’t make trades that help the team short term, but do make the team better long term. Its what the Padres did with the Adrian trade (two to the upper level core, 1 with major upside to the lower level core) and need to continue to do in order to make the Padres a sustained success.

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by AirmanSD on Jul 12, 2011 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd like to think I did that to some degree

We got four players who can play now or are on the cusp (Montero, Rasmus, Mulligan, Brackman) – two will provide bullpen depth, one’s a catcher and one’s a RF. Positions we are deficient in.

The three pitchers and two outfielders – we are rather low on good power pitchers int eh lower levels. I think the three brewers are definitely plus relievers and James would provide some great speed and OBP, something Fuentes hasn’t shown he can provide. Avalia I’m not sure about but think it could be an interesting risk

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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 12, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

rosterbating ftf

speculating who we could trade guided speculation…. speculating as to who we would/should get in return is kind of a fool’s errand.

sure, jurickson profar would be a good fit for our team, but who knows what it will take to get him? Adams+Moseley? Bell+Adams?

The good news is that this is a dismal trade market, and the padres are one of the top sellers with some of the best assets to sell in a shallow pool. Jed has also made some shrewd moves in terms of grabbing tradeable talent.

When he brought ludwick back i don’t think he was figuring him into the club’s long term plans, but it was better to get some production and a potential prospect in return as opposed to letting him walk. we also bought low on moseley and he could bring back a decent return. qualls delivered some WAR on the field for us, but it was also a great pickup in that he will surely be dealt and get us a young piece for the farm.

by iheartyourfart on Jul 12, 2011 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Hoyer should hold onto Headley for now

and trade him in the offseason to Boston for a couple of decent arms like Kyle Weiland (who has struggled in the bigs, but has been good in the minors). He should also ask for Jose Iglesias, demand Jose Iglesias, hold a gun to Theo’s head and demand Jose Iglesias. Then when they finally GET Iglesias, Hoyer needs to send him back to A-AA and bring him up the right way, since Theo seems intent on ruining yet another shortstop prospect. If Theo’s going to try and break another shortstop, I’d rather see him traded to another team I like so he has a chance to succeed.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 18, 2011 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

A guy who can't hit?

Thanks, I have enough of those guys

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by TheAxManCometh on Jul 18, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what need Boston would have for Headley.

I assume you are referring to the idea that they let Big Papi walk and move Youk to DH.

That’s not really in their best interest. They are much better off having a real DH and having Youk provide value at 3B while he can still play there. There’s just no way that Headley can outhit your average DH.

Not to mention that the Red Sox as of yet don’t have a long term answer at SS and probably can’t afford to be giving away SS prospects.

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by Wonko on Jul 18, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the general idea at OTM

But I’ve got some issues with it. One, from what I’ve seen, Youkilis is not really viable at third base anymore. I freely admit that I haven’t seen every game he’s played, and apparently he scores well by defensive metrics, but I’m not really sure I trust defensive metrics as a whole.

Two, Iglesias is in AAA Pawtucket right now, and he’s not hitting. He didn’t hit in AA Portland either, and yet Theo keeps moving him up in the organization. I don’t care how good a shortstop’s defense is, and there’s not question that it’s good, and OPS below .500 is not acceptable for a starter. If Theo breaks Iglesias, he’s not the long-term answer at short either.

Three, I’ve laid Headley’s spray charts over Fenway’s dimensions, and while I don’t think he’ll add many (if any) home runs in Boston, I think he could become a legitimate doubles hitter, sort of like the hitter everyone said Jed Lowrie was supposed to be. While he’s not going to replicate Youk’s or Ortiz’s bat, I think he could be a very valuable hitter in Boston.

Four, as much as I love Ortiz, and I really do, he wants a multiple year contract in Boston. He’s getting older, and we’re only two years away from his disappointing 2009. I don’t want Theo to get tied up in a Jeter like contract. We’ve already wasted enough money on Carl Crawford’s horrendous contract.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 18, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Carl Crawford’s horrendous contract"

LOL.

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by Wonko on Jul 19, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, if there is such concern about Iglesias

Then why on Earth would the Padres trade a valued asset like Headley for him.

We are getting into Cubs fan trade proposals now. Here, you take our trash and give us a major league regular. Fair?

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by Wonko on Jul 19, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't whether Headley can outhit your average DH

The question is: Is the Headley solution a better bang-for-the-buck than the Ortiz solution?

Don’t forget that Lars Anderson has a .360 OBP in Pawtucket, and still hasn’t turned 24. They could just sit on him until Ortiz can’t produce adequately, and then use Anderson’s cheap prime years. I actually think this is the most likely scenario.

by Marver on Jul 18, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox have money

Go sign the younger David Ortiz in Prince Fielder and don’t give up any prospects.

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by Wonko on Jul 19, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think

the Sox will be shelling out large $ contracts to any more bats for a little while, especially the market’s premier bat. They have enough pitching problems as it is, that it makes far more sense to use an in-house candidate, or downgrade at DH, in order to funnel the resources to pitching. I’d be absolutely shocked if Fielder puts on a Red Sox uniform.

by Marver on Jul 19, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

really? shocked? I would save shocked for Fielder signing with the Royals.

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by Ron Mexico on Jul 20, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think theo has said ideally

that he doesn’t want a true DH, but rather to swap guys in and out of the DH slot to keep them rested/healthy. if the sox were interested in headley, it would probably be a bill mueller type deal in their lineup. p.s. lars andersen is a joke.

by iheartyourfart on Jul 18, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The padres should trade for this interesting prospect....

I heard about in the rays minor league system, an ex ss converted to RP, HELLO!

His name is Matt Bush anybody heard of him? :)

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by james b on Jul 18, 2011 10:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Give Headley some credit

To say he can’t hit for power any more than Sean Burroughs is just wrong. Headley’s got a career slugging percentage of .392, playing all his home games at Petco; Burroughs is at .356, and almost half his time as a Padre was when they were still at the Q.

I’ve got no problem with trading Headley if they get full value for him, but I doubt that they would. If you don’t take a close look at his stats, they don’t look good. The park hurts him, plus the traditional triple crown stats don’t really measure his strengths. He hits a lot of doubles, and draws a fair number of walks, both of which go under a lot of radars.

by Seapig on Jul 21, 2011 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

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