Padres GM Hoyer: The ballpark has become an "obsession", team is "spooked"
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- "Tough Week". Hoyer thought the Padres had started to turn their season around after the last road trip. "We've come back home and have actually been worse than we were before."
- They sent Will Venable to AAA to give Chris Denorfia more playing time.
"That's one change and if that doesn't shake things up enough we may make more changes."
"You can just sit here and watch the same result over and over. We're spooked in this ballpark right now and that's got to change."
- Bud Black told Hoyer that he wanted to start playing Denorfia every day. Venable has had no consistency all year. He needs to play everyday in AAA to figure his stuff out. It was a move both to help Venable and the team.
"While the purpose wasn't this, I do hope that it sends a little bit of a message. Will was definitely one of our guys, he hasn't performed and he's in the minor leagues. If we keep playing like this then it's not going to be the last change we make."
They discussed other changes too, but decided to start with this one. - Guys get called up from AA all the time. It's a little bit more uncommon to bring up hitters. Blake Tekotte has some pop in his bat. He's young and hungry. It's also nice to bring up a fresh face. He'll hopefully inject some energy into the team. Hoyer thinks he'll play against tough right handed pitching and give Cameron Maybin a day off. He won't play everyday but he certainly won't just sit on the bench.
- Cedric Hunter did a great job in the spring, but did not perform as well as Blake. "It's not a knock on Cedric it's more of a compliment to Blake." Aaron Cunningham has done a good job, but he's right handed and the fit wasn't there.
- Hoyer sure hopes that Venable will return to the Padres this year if he fixes his approach. He needs to play in an environment where he can work on some things.
- Will Venable was disappointed but respectful. He was curious to why they moved him. He asked a lot of questions. "No temper tantrum, no excuses."
- Hoyer and Black told Venable that they weren't putting their offensive struggles on him. "Six or seven other guys could be sitting in this room." Will wasn't going to be playing everyday and that was the crux of it. "Will Venable is not the reason this team hasn't performed the way it should have. He's one of a number of guys who have struggled."
- The current struggles remind Hoyer of September 2010. "I thought we past whatever confidence issues or swagger issues we had." The source of the frustration is that the team is right back where they started after the great offensive road trip.
- Hoyer thought the 2010 team was "less talented offensively" than the current team. Hoyer never heard a word about the ballpark last year, this year it has become an "obsession".
"The ballpark isn't the reason we're struggling."
Hoyer doesn't think the Padres need to move the fences in."80% of the questions that are asked right now are about the ballpark and how it's affecting the guys. I don't think that's healthy thing. I think our guys have to get past it."
"Let's not blame the ballpark, I think we have to blame our offensive approach or our lack of hits."
- Hoyer isn't blaming the media for the ballpark questions. "I'm not laying it at the media's doorstep." There's been chatter in the clubhouse. "It's a cycle." There's a lot of guys frustrated with the ballpark. "We're allowing it to beat us."
- Bud Black has made it clear to the team that they don't want to hear "chirping" about the ballpark from the players. "It's not something that is talked about openly, but it's festering in there." Players are focusing more on the elements rather than their own approach. Blame for that belongs to Hoyer, the coaches and the players.
- The offensive isn't always as bad as it looks because of the ballpark and the pitching isn't always as good as it looks. The Padres haven't gotten the wins because the run prevention hasn't been as good. The team hasn't pitched as well and the defense has been sloppy.
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"One of the biggest challenges to this team is that we never have a lead."
That's hard on a team and it's psyche. They're averaging 1 run a game in the first 6 innings. - Hoyer doesn't think that the Padres have a natural lead off player on the team. He hopes they'll acquire that type of player or have one come up through the system.
- Hoyer says that having Chase Headley bat lead off isn't a bad idea. They talked about him batting second. Hoyer doesn't mind an unconventional line up. Hoyer doesn't think he'll ever be a high RBI guy. He think he's a high on base guy. He's incredibly valuable on the team. He doesn't complain about the ballpark.
- Nick Hundley is doing okay. He'll hopefully pick up a bat sometime this week. He had a bit of a set back last week.
- Since 2004 when the ballpark opened. They've played 509 games played here. The Padres and opposition had identical stats hitting .240, slugging .369 and .284 in play batting average.
- The slugging percentage in MLB has dropped 45-50 points since 2004.
- Some guys use mental therapists to deal with the constant failure in baseball. In Boston they had a guy who threw batting practice and was employed full time as a therapist.
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"They're averaging 1 run a team over the first 6 innings."
That sentence doesn’t seem right.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
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Think it was supposed to be game
but who knows around here anymore
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"mental therapists to deal with the constant failure in baseball"
They need that old shrink for “The Natural”.
"I'M NOT GOING TO ASK HIM FOR F_CKING TICKETS, DEX. I DON'T NEED A DEAL ON A F_CKING LUXURY SUITE." - Mike
Hmm
“Hoyer says that having Chase Headley bat lead off isn’t a bad idea. They talked about him batting second. Hoyer doesn’t mind an unconventional line up. Hoyer doesn’t think he’ll ever be a high RBI guy. He think he’s a high on base guy. He’s incredibly valuable on the team. He doesn’t complain about the ballpark.”
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great
in a few short years he goes from the savior to the second coming of Sean Burroughs
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by TheAxManCometh on May 25, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sean Burroughs' demise came when he could only get hits on bloops down the left field line
Once people shifted the LF to play down the line, he was done here.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Sean B
Is the 2nd coming of Sean B
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by Hormel on May 25, 2011 9:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Impressive
No refractory period, either.
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I like Chase Headley even more now
Even though he hits poorly at Petco, he doesn’t complain about it
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
Yea
Chase seems like a stand up guy. He always does his job and you never hear a peep out of him.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on May 25, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
he also seems like a hard worker and does the little things
it sounds like he really wants to win
by iheartyourfart on May 25, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm

With a lot of these things, I can’t decide how to feel…
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by Jordan_Ming on May 25, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
The fact that this club is better at hitting
is the reason they’re complaining.
Poor people will complain less about money than rich people having it taken away.
Soak that in. Soak in it.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
Totally off topic but didn't know where to ask this question:
I recently celebrated my 23rd birthday and I received a £ 15 giftcard for amazon.co.uk. Since they don’t have a lot of books about baseball here in Belgium I am seriously considering buying a baseballbook with my giftcard. Problem is that my knowledge on good baseballbooks is close to zero. So I was wondering, could anybody give some suggestions. I’m pretty much open to anything but a hardcore sabermetric book would probably be too difficult for me. Thanks in advance!
by sixpakfrombelgium on May 25, 2011 2:26 PM PDT reply actions
I eagerly await replies on this
I recently read The Baseball Codes: Beanballs, Sign Stealing, and Bench-Clearing Brawls: The Unwritten Rules of America’s Pastime by Jason Turbow and while it was enjoyable writing about the folklore of baseball, I’d love to read something about the more official side of baseball (lesser known rules, process of team building – waivers, draft, options, etc.) so hopefully you’ll get some ideas.
I think I wanted to buy this one from the SDSU bookstore a few weeks back
Good to hear it was enjoyable.
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Here's an old post
about essential baseball books.
by jbox on May 25, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Completely forgot about that post thanks!
Looks like I’ll have to spend a lot more than my £ 15. So much to read, not enough money
by sixpakfrombelgium on May 25, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Great list
I always suggest Ball Four as the first baseball book, and I make sure to insist they read Moneyball at some point.
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by John Gennaro on May 25, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Perfect order, Lion.
I just finished JoePoz’s tour of Buck O’Neill’s America and a scathing takedown of Curt Flood.
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by TheThinGwynn on May 25, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You spelled wreck wrong
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by John Gennaro on May 25, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like you want something instructional
but Ted Williams biography by Leigh Montville is good. Also, “Playing With The Enemy” by Gary Moore is good (baseball played with Germans in a POW camp during world war II)
by kevintheoman on May 25, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ball Four, dude.
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by TheThinGwynn on May 25, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds great
but it looks like they don’t have it at amazon.co.uk
by sixpakfrombelgium on May 25, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Move.
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by TheThinGwynn on May 25, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn communists.
Denorfia sucks.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 25, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you're in the mood for a book about overcoming hardship in order to play baseball
I’d recommend The Corporal Was A Pitcher. Very good book about Lou Brissie, a pitcher for the Indians and others following World War II.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
A baseball related work of fiction that I loved
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Universal_Baseball_Association,Inc.,J._Henry_Waugh,_Prop.
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Just want to say.....
I think these weekly interviews with Jed are a terrible idea. Every week it seems like he says something that pisses me off, but it’s not always his fault. There’s not a lot of good to talk about right now, but to come out and say that the players are allowing Petco to beat them down mentally is……it’s dumb.
He has no idea, unless the guys are actually complaining to him or the coaches. Not only that, but to let the fans know that’s the case is only going to increase the pressure on them when they’re hitting at home. Any lack of success at home now will be perceived as a lack of mental toughness. That’s not fair.
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i respect that hes giving his honest opinion
he could just spout some buuuuulshiiiiit but hes trying to give fans an accurate idea of whats going on with the team. i cant say that i disagree with him either when i see ryan ludwick standing shacking his head in shocked disgust like a spoiled 16 year old whenever he hits a deep fly ball out. maybe itll send a message to anyone bitching about petco park to stop and just try and make the best of it.
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by staceyaugmon4HOF on May 25, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think what John might be getting at
Is that sometimes being pissed about something doesn’t mean it’s in your head and overwhelming you. A team like the Patriots in football is constantly pissed off about their perception in the media and plays with a chip on their shoulder. Maybe griping about the ballpark can form comradery and bonds players that haven’t played here that much. And then the fact that their GM is misrepresenting them will actually hurt their feelings about the team.
I don’t think that’s what IS happening, but it could be. And, as close as Jed gets to this team, he’ll never REALLY know if the statements he’s putting out there about the players are true.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
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i dont disagree
except that on paper there isnt any reason that i can understand why with the exception of one road trip theyve been so putrid offensively this year. im not sure if i buy what hoyer is trying to say or not, but i dont think anybody can fault him for saying it or prove him wrong either.
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by staceyaugmon4HOF on May 25, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Jed should be talking from a GM standpoint, not like a coach or player. Because if I’m pissed off, I bet a few players are as well.
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by John Gennaro on May 25, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet it's not just the players
I’m sure when the hitting coach, manager and GM are held accountable for the performances, the ballpark isn’t far from their lips.
I’m much more concerned about the communication between Black and Hoyer, and also how the two are them organizing the depth chart.
Twice now they have called up a prospect who should be playing everyday somewhere (Forsythe, Tekotte) just to have sit on the major league bench? Why? Tekotte especially makes no sense coming out of Double-A. Hoyer says that Black told him he wants to play Denorfia every day, and if they aren’t sitting Ludwick or Maybin, why not bring up a reserve OF like Cunningham.
Hoyer mentions because Tekotte is lefty he gets the nod, but did he not know that Patterson is lefty, and that Black would pick Patterson to play over Tekotte? Does Hoyer want him to do that? And how does Hoyer feel about the fact that Denorfia goes 0-for-4, and despite Black sending down Venable to play Denorfia every day, he then sits Denorfia.
And if Tekotte is only going to play when Maybin sits – against tough rightyies – is worth having Tekotte up when Chris Carpenter doesn’t even qualify as a tough righty? Tekotte’s going to play against who, Halliday and Lincecum? Great, not only does the kid not get to play for this length of time, when he does play he has to face Cy Young winners. Good strategy.
It's absolutely worth having Tekotte up
Considering how awful Patterson was when he attempted to play CF when Maybin got a day off. Backup CF is a key role on a team that needs top defense at all times.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Cunningham could do that
So, too, could Hunter. Is Maybin going to come out for a pinch-hitter? If not, how is the backup CF position important?
gotta side with wonko
cunningham is definitely in the mold of “excellent corner outfielder, awful centerfielder.”
tekotte got the call over hunter because they think they know what kind of a player tekotte is going to be. Hunter is in a make or break year in the minors. They need to see if hunter can be a starting mlb CF one day and whether or not some of his skills will develop. Although he’s coming out of double-A, tekotte is something of a known commodity. The club isn’t expecting a ton out of him. Mark Kotsay is basically the best case scenario for him. He profiles much more like a speed and defense minded 4th/5th outfielder. kind of like TGjr’s role on the doyers this year. There is less to lose if he doesn’t play everyday.
by iheartyourfart on May 25, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Its a no-win proposition
When the team is losing, every move and every statement is criticized more strongly. A GM of a losing team could say the sky is blue, and half the fans would argue its not, or want the GM to say what shade. The other half would wonder why with a losing baseball team their GM is talking about the color of the sky.
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
the sky is blue in most parks
but in petco it is an offense-sucking aquamarine
by iheartyourfart on May 25, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lots of interesting stuff
including Venable has a rotten face.
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Dex and jbox are checked out I guess
And jodes is at the game.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
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nvm
game over already…Latos doesnt have it again :(
I put up a thread in the fanposts
In case anyone wants to
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
talk about the inning being over already...
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
this is awesome in retrospect
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by John Gennaro on May 25, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't do a true game thread.
jbox and Dex don’t love me that much.
I don’t think I even have permission to do it on BFTB.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
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SRSLY?
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by John Gennaro on May 25, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Stats
I am genuinely surprised that the stats show visitors hitting just as poorly at PETCO as do the Padres. I’d like to see a stat showing more comparisons, such as the won/loss ratio, pitcher ERA’s, etc.
These stats do give some credence to the idea that players in SD are spooked by the ballpark. If things are as even as they seem to be (statwise), why not adjust the ballpark to make it more hitter-friendly? What is more expensive—good hitters or good pitchers? I believe fans would enjoy watching a 10-9 loss as opposed to a 1-0 loss.
I'd love to know if that's the case at other ballparks
or if the home team usually hits better.
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by John Gennaro on May 25, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
i would think in the quirkier parks the home team has a significant advantage
visiting outfielders have seriously f’d up in houston many times.
by iheartyourfart on May 25, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Minute Maid is a disaster
That flagpole should be removed from the field
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
pitching is always more of a crapshoot
also, what was the last team that won a WS without getting great pitching?
offense tends to play better in the long run in the regular season – see 2006 mariners. but teams pay a serious premium for shutdown pitching. not a lot of hitters in their 30s get cliff lee contracts – (and the ones that do aren’t likely to be worth it over the length of their contract)
by iheartyourfart on May 25, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
by the same token
how many of those long term contracts that pitchers are worth it over the length of the contract as well?
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CC Sabathia, Felix hernandez, Mariano Rivera, Dereke Lowe, etc.
all signed for big money and produced good value for their clubs’ dollars. i honestly don’t see roy halladay or cliff lee dropping off drastically either. of course we won’t know for sure for a while. of course, a lot of stupid clubs ignore the signs and give huge deals to kevin brown, barry zito, etc.
by iheartyourfart on May 26, 2011 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Some do, some dont
But then Felix wont yet be 30 when his contract runs out. But when you look at the top 34 contracts of all time (most overall money) the only pitchers are Sabathia, Santana, Zito, Hampton, Lee and Brown. Looking at the top overall contracts seems more busts seemingly come from pitchers
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
that's a fair point but
when you look at elite position players like Arod, Jeter, Pujols, etc. Its guaranteed that you won’t get fair value in the final years of the contract. Lets say Pujols gets 10 years/300 million coming up. He might produce at 30 million a year, but in his age 38, 39, and 40 seasons i doubt he generates more than 10-15million worth of value for his club. While people wont think of it as a “bad contract” he’s really only likely to be worth it for the first half of the deal. Power hitters lose their power and batspeed first, then it’s all downhill. Pitchers are more likely to keep their velocity as they get older (or at least see less of a precipitous drop) and even those who lose it can still be dominant players.
by iheartyourfart on May 26, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand
I guess what i mean by more busts among the pitchers , seemingly, is that no where in their long term contract did they make it worth it (zito, hampton) Looking at the top contracts for relievers, its amazing how many of those guys quickly fizzled out
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I just want them to move the fences in
So they can stop friggin’ talking about it. Maybe then they can find another reason to blame for sucking.
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They should just move the fences OUT....
So NOBODY can hit it out. Maybe we can also petition to add a “rover” position.
/sarcasm
hasnt it already been decided?
retractable fences , or retractable mile high stilts
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by Nater Tater on May 26, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to say it again. They will not win 60 games this year.
No, they will not. Sorry. Adrian was like three good hitters all in one, three good hitters that they will never replace. And with the pitching out of commission, well, it’s going to be very very ugly.
Pitching out of commission?
The Nationals scored 2 runs on 2 swings. The game before, Latos pitched 8 of his best innings of the season. The pitching is fine.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
You're right. They won't win 60.
They’ll win 80+. And that’s me lowballing it.
I need new pants.
I believe that we will win.
by jodes0405 on May 29, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still believe
Though it’s been getting harder, the Nationals series notwithstanding (though I guess when the going gets tough, the tough get going)
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Gimme a break
Maybe it’s time to fire the manager and the hitting coach. They’re spooked over the ball park, maybe the Padres would like the city to build them another new stadium, grow the f—k up and play ball.

























