Padres trade for Huston Street is 66% Fresh
by jbox on Dec 8, 2011 9:54 AM PST
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The Huston Street deal doesn't look as bad as I originally thought. Dan Hayes is reporting that the Rockies will pick up $1M of his 7.5M salary and $500K buyout . Hayes also says that the PTBNL isn't a top 30 prospect so it's likely someone we're not going to miss.
If things don't work out with Street his buyout is relatively cheap and if they do and the Padres are out of the race early he could be traded to a contender where we could pick up a prospect or a bit of cash. I'm already getting confused by the new collective bargaining agreement but I think we'll get a draft pick possibly if the Padres don't pick up his option. If draft picks were visible, the Padres could star in an episode of Hoarders.
Corey Brock says Street hasn't allowed an earned run in his 11 appearances at Petco Park. Plus he's younger and visibly in better shape then Heath Bell, so maybe that means something.
Anyway the rest of the Padres media and blogs think the trade is fresh enough to put on super market shelves, but marked down so it'll sell fast.
Apologies to RottenTomatoes.com
In Huston Street, Padres Acquire Future Trade Chip | FanGraphs Baseball
San Diego has acquired in Street less a player to close out games for four months, and more the opportunity to acquire, at the trade deadline, one of a contending team’s top-10 prospects. Provided Street stays healthy for those same four months, that’s very likely what the Padres will be doing.
Padres acquire Huston Street from Rockies :: Friar Forecast
It wouldn’t be wise to invest too much, in dollars or prospects, on a relief pitcher. However, if we assume the Padres lost a relatively insignificant player, this deal isn’t all that bad. The Padres will owe Street $7 million in 2012, not a bad price for a solid closer. Further, they don’t have to commit any length or dollars to Street if things don’t work out.
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Huston Street? As in, the guy who couldn't throw a ball past Brad Hawpe last summer? This should be entertaining.
Friarhood - Padres Set to Acquire Rockies Closer Huston Street for PTBNL
With a limited budget, I'm not sure why they felt such a strong need to splurge on a closer, when everyone knows they need to score runs. I just wish they cared less about getting a closer and more about getting run producers.
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Brad Brach had 108 Saves over last 3 seasons in MiLB, but, yes Byrnes, by all means pay $8 mil for replacement closer. #faultylogic #Padres
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The #Padres didn't get better by picking up Huston Street, but it's a tidy move to cover a need short term.
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I'm pretty neutral on the Street trade but it does reinforce my belief that Byrnes is Towers.
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#padres get an overall good deal for Huston Street I think
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Fangraphs has the correct analysis of the deal.
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 7, 2011 9:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's cynical but it may be correct
Still it’s too early to assume we’re not going to be a contender. No one thought the 2010 team would be a contender at this point in that off season either.
Well yeah, assuming we aren't contenders.
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 7, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Well that's how we are
We’re either going to contend or we’re not. But it’s hard to tell at this point in the year which it will be.
even jenny is trying to be nice about the deal
so it’s not awkward when she interviews him next year
Where in the world is Khalil?
by TheVinylCrocodile on Dec 7, 2011 10:54 PM PST reply actions
On the plus side, we didn't downgrade in the attractiveness department.
/girl
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by Jordan_Ming on Dec 7, 2011 11:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Always an important department to consider when trading for players.
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#1 thing that should be considered.
The Padres should hire me.
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Hey if the guy has an ass that puts girls asses in seats...
I’m all for it. Added bonus that he can throw in the high 90’s.
Ah ha! That's how they're going to market the Padres this season and sell tickets!!!
Genius!
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That would be pretty cool
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Shoot gurl we know what up
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I'm with woedoctor on this one...
we never had a problem getting capable relievers for cheap. I’d rather save that money to buy more middle infield help. Or maybe this means that Moorad is ready to open his wallet?
means we can flip him for prospects or picks which are much more valuable than middle infield help
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 AM PST up reply actions
But who would they buy at middle infield?
The only FA middle infielder that represents an upgrade is probably Rollins. He’s not signing with us. Maybe Furcal too, but who knows what you’ll get from him at this point between DL stints.
There just aren’t any position player upgrades to make via free agency. Any guy they could potentially afford for 2012 that represents an upgrade wants too many years.
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
last i heard we were talking to furcal
but he is most likely a lateral move from bartlett/hudson at this point. if it were me i might just stick it out with odawg and lolwut till the trade deadline unless a better move fell into my lap. you have to assume bartlett will get DL’d at some point to rest his problematic back. i still think you try out forsythe and e-cab during the season as well, but having the veterans takes a lot of pressure off of them assuming they get ABs.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
There is no position player help that we could buy
in our price range.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 8, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
When was the last time
We found a closer on the cheap that we didn’t groom first? I have a hard time believing that we would have found one. Padres were caught with their pants down at the closer position this offseason. Doesn’t hurt to take a year to get someone ready to fill that job on the cheap. And if you can stock the minor leagues a little more doing it, then so be it.
Somewhere I saw it pointed out that the two WS teams had cheap closers. Well, Motte was a failure the first time they tried to make him a closer a few years ago and Feliz was one of the best prospects in baseball. It’s not as easy as it looks.
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by Wonko on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pujols to the Angels
Interesting. We play them next year at home too.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
How many times can we get him to
gidp?
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i'm glad he's mostly gone
aside from opening day (which was GLORIOUS) he still managed to hit .331/.433/.636. i know that’s basically his career average but it still felt like i was being violated every time he came to bat.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
This is the real reason I think.
Copied wholesale from a post on Fangraphs (not mine!):
One of the less-discussed elements of the new CBA is that teams that receive revenue sharing funds need to spend at least 125% of that amount on big league payroll. As a team that probably has a "natural" payroll capacity of around $70M once the lay away purchase is complete, the Padres find themselves in a weird spot this offseason. They need to spend about $20M to round out this year’s roster and get to about $53M in salary for 2012 while:
1) Not being able to compete for the top tier of free agents;
2) Not wanting to make anything more than short-term commitments to the B-level free agents they could afford and blocking paths for the large wave of very good (but no great ones) prospects they have coming;
3) Desperately needing to give at bats to Rizzo and Blanks this year to see what they have in those guys, who have nothing left to prove in AAA;
4) Having several young pieces (Maybin, Hundley Headley) who are as good as/better than anything on the FA market for even significant multiples of their salary;
5) Having dead weight up the middle in Hudson and Bartlett who probably can’t be moved; and
6) Only having a couple of guys (Latos and Maybin) who they should lock up right now and thereby drive up their 2012 team salary.
There just aren’t all that many guys who make $7-10M annually on a one-year basis who they can acquire without giving up significant minor league pieces.
Street is one, and he fills a need on the roster.
by lasers pew pew pew! on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
we gave up next to nothing, are paying him an average amount
he gives our bullpen stability and time to figure things out, he can serve as a valuable trade chip if he’s no longer needed at the deadline, we only have a one-year commitment.
i don’t see what’s not to like about this deal unless you’re absolutely sure that there is a great hitting right fielder on the market for $7m that’s willing to sign a one or two year deal with the padres.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
they are paying him less than the "average amount"
7 mil is under market these days for a quality closer
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
I really like this deal for the Padres and especially for Street.
Street’s fly ball tendencies led to higher ERAs but he maintained fairly low FIP and xFIP totals in Coors. My full analysis is here: http://mlbdirt.com/2011/12/08/easy-street-in-san-diego/
by jcmitchell on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
you didn't mention
his ERA was 2.15 away from coors last year
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Also didn't mention the effects of Petco/Coors on BABIP
I know that Petco really suppresses batting average on balls in play, not just HR rates. The BABIP at Petco is below league average, somewhere around .285. I don’t know what it is at Coors, but if I had to guess I would say it’s somewhere around .800.
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't feel the need to.
As a FB pitcher your BABIP will usually be lower than normal and I also figured most people know that Petco has better effects on balls in play than Coors. I guess I could have been more thorough in explaining it. Wouldn’t have hurt my argument for the move. =)
also padres defense > rockies defense
fangraphs has the run prevention differential at +34 for the padres. rockies were in the bottom third of defenses in the MLB whereas padres were ranked 8th best, and i think that goes up when you remove hawpe, cantu, ludwick, and r. johnson. for a flyball pitcher you love seeing a 9th inning outfield of denorfia/maybin/venable
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
He doesn’t walk many, strikes out nearly a guy per inning, and should have a low BABIP thanks to that OF and Petco. He’ll have very good numbers in 2012.
by jcmitchell on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If Padres are out of it - Street should get a good return at the deadline
As long as he stays healthy and puts up PetCo numbers, Padres should have multiple suitors come July
by NLWestBaseball on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100%.
Look what Mike Adams brought in return.
by jcmitchell on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
already excited at the prospects we'll get when we trade our new acquisition
#padrefan
i think regardless of what kind of season street has, he won’t have as much trade value as mike adams. Ali G still had a year of arbitration when we traded him, making hoyer say adams value was higher than bell’s in any trade, which i believe.
adams got 2 top-10 prospects from the rangers (who’s stock has only risen). even though street is a proven closer i’d be happy to get one top-10 guy for him, unless the market is really thin and some teams are hurting BAD for relief help.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Street probably won't bring as much as Adams.
He’s owed more, and he’s a free agent after this season. Unlike Adams who still has another year of team control left and is much cheaper.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 9, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, but should we be out of contention (and of course we won't)
I suspect all of us would settle for one top-10 prospect rather than two.
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by matthewverygood on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Taking it to the Street.
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by Wonko on Dec 8, 2011 12:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Interesting tidbit just now from Center's chat:
“Incidentally, Cumberland will not be coming back as a shortstop. He will be moving to second if he plays.”
TBD
Wait what
Cumberland’s coming back? I thought he had to retire.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Ok I guess I get why we didn't keep Harang
But did he have to sign with the Dodgers?
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Yes
They are the only team that ignores Petco’s park effects.
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It's not quite so bad as if, say, the Astros signed him or something.
Dodger Stadium is a fairly strong pitcher’s park.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
its not just the park
dodgers’ outfield defense has been an unmitigated disaster. they are also breaking in a young shortstop.
seriously though, they always seem to throw a right fielder and 2 DH’s out there.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
It's exactly as bad as I say
It’s not like he’ll provide additional value for the Dodgers. Just like he didn’t provide additional value for the Padres because of Petco.
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i think he's slightly better than his numbers
not a difference maker, but he did seem to have an “on” button he could switch when he was in trouble. pretty crafty and good at working out of jams when it mattered.
however, the dodgers have at least four #4 guys. giving him a multiyear deal is pretty much objectively stupid.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I will like this trade better when the first name of the ptbnl starts with an O
And end with a Dawg
by EC_padsfan on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I prefer to take this position
We were prepared to give up Hudson for Street. I would have been for that move big time. Now we got Street for organizational filler, and we still have a chance to unload hudson, for a bag of balls or a lawn mower.
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Maybe the plan is to hold onto Hudson
until someone’s second baseman gets hurt in spring training or the early part of the season and then we have some leverage. Either that or they’ll just keep telling him the wrong dates, times, and locations to show up to Padres events (spring training, away games, etc.) until maybe he gets the message and quits.
TBD
by IputtheYinTony on Dec 8, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Drop O-Dawg in the MLB Secret Santa.
Just when you think that leaves us without a capable 2B— enter Minaya from stage left with a sack of Cuban infielders… ho ho ho.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 8, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
i'd rather not
and its not because i want to keep o-dog. we can still trade him and get some value. we could send him off in a pure salary-dump move if we want and the net effect would be about the same as trading him straight up for street. of course we could also eat some of his salary in order to get a prospect. maybe.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
If trading o-dawg were easy
Everyone would be doing it.
by EC_padsfan on Dec 9, 2011 5:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
This trade is interesting and all, but seriously...
Did that SF girl ever find her Prince “Charming, but he was wearing a Padre hat”?
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
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Yeah, kind of relieved
The reports were ‘not top 30 prospect’, ‘’not a significant player’, etc, but I was still a little scared it would be someone I liked.
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 9, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
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