Would you trade Anthony Rizzo and if so, where?
by TheAxManCometh on Dec 20, 2011 3:34 PM PST
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PrintSo the Padres seem to suggest they don't value the services of Anthony Rizzo after they made Yonder Alonso the center piece of the deal for Mat Latos. With less than 200 ABs, the Padres must not have valued him after Hoyer made him the centerpiece of the Adrian Gonzalez deal. The reports are that Rizzo will go to AAA to fix his swing but if that was really the case they had a first baseman of the present in Jesus Guzman + they have Kyle Blanks to spell him. So it begs the question, what does the brass really think of Rizzo-mania?
I think the trade itself suggests what they think; I do not believe that Grandal or Volquez were the real cornerstone of the deal with the Reds, even though both will become useful pieces (at least I hope Volquez will). So Rizzo is likely to go but where?
Tampa Bay - needs a 1B and has needed one for a while. They have one of the deepest systems in baseball but what do they have that would best fit our needs? I'm not sure Wade Davis is what we need, Desmond Jennings might but I'm not sure he's available for trade.
Chicago Cubs - makes the most sense. Send the former Red Sox prospect to be with all the former Red Sox front office people. And they have a player that would fit in right field today and end the garbage about Will Venable; Brett Jackson. Would a one for one work for you knowing that the cubs have a very weak farm system?
Seattle - Also desperate for first basemen since the whole Justin Smoak thing isn't working out for the better. But if the Cubs have a poor farm system, Seattle's is basically barren. The only person I could think of asking for is SS Nick Vincent but there's alot of questions about not only his hitting ability but his defense and ability to remain at SS. I'd pass unless they blow me away.
Random thought; would Baltimore be willing to acquire Rizzo as part of a deal for Adam Jones? Baltimore is in worst shape then we are and though they have Mark Reynolds and Chris Davis, neither fit the 1B bill that Rizzo would. Jones could slide into RF where his great range, speed and obscenely powerful throwing arm would wreak havoc in Petco park. His power and speed would be a great addition to the line up with Maybin and Alonso hitting after them. Could see a lineup of Bartlett-Hudson-Maybin-Jones-Alonso as being very powerful
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I know, I know, my suggestion of rizo, headley, bartlet, and one of our pitching prospects to the cubs for starlin castro is probably rediculous, but an opening day infield of darnell, castro, forsythe, and alonso is pretty compelling.
I like the adam jones idea.
by EC_padsfan on Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That is ridiculous.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve never been flagged before, sounds like fun
by EC_padsfan on Dec 21, 2011 6:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
ridiculous
i really like castro but rizzo and a pitching prospect will be ideal
by Ivan Verastica on Dec 21, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
I’d like to see Rizzo to TB for Hak-Ju Lee. I know Lee has a slightly higher ceiling than Rizzo but TB needs a 1B and SS is the only position SD doesn’t have a high ceiling prospect at. The deal makes a lot of sense for both teams.
I see him moved to the Cubs since Hoyer obviously believes he's the real deal.
But I like the thought of moving him to the Orioles. Jones and Maybin on the same roster would be amazing.
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Do you imagine a scenario where we could, say, sell Hudson to a Japanese team?
by Natrone Means Business on Dec 20, 2011 4:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He’s tough to watch but Hudson’s a pretty good stopgap who managed to be an average starter last year. Who’s gonna start at 2B if Hudson’s traded? Especially if the Pads eat salary. Parrino? Forsythe? Being a douche def doesn’t help Hudson’s trade value either. Hopefully Forsythe steps up sometime in 2012.
I think Forsythe will get some good playing time next year
Hudson’s body may not be able to handle another season or, dare I say, Headley might be traded.
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i think forsythe and cabrera
byrnes seems to be much higher on ecab than hoyer, and 2b is his natural position
by iheartyourfart on Dec 21, 2011 4:59 AM PST up reply actions
I like the Adam Jones idea too
Plus, he’s from SD, right?
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by mrbarneydangles on Dec 20, 2011 5:14 PM PST reply actions
Yes, think he'd love to come back to SD
And while we might not compete immediately for an NL West crown, put Jones, Alonso, Maybin in the same line up and I can guarantee you we won’t be boring. I’d tolerate another year of Hudson if I have to, primarily because I don’t see anyone taking him. I could tolerate the Hak Ju Lee trade but it doesn’t sound like the Padres are matching up that well with the Rays. Admittedly Jennings would be a pipe dream
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by TheAxManCometh on Dec 20, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
I'll add this too
Adam Jones for James Darnell, Simon Castro, Anthony Rizzo & Anthony Bass
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I have a hard time believing Jones would ever be worth that much
Especially with Bass being a contender for a rotation spot here and Darnell and Castro being very close to being in the starting lineup as well.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
They're good prospects to trade
and it’s trading, much as the Reds did, from a position of strength. We can get rid of pitching we don’t need, Darnell will be irrelevant at 3B and RF with this move, and Rizzo obviously. Just overwhelm them with need and value especially that we don’t need
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by TheAxManCometh on Dec 20, 2011 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
uh.... giving up way tooo much for an above average CF.
You are giving up a potential above average 3B, two starters, and a potential above average 1B for…
a CF who is nearing Free agency… and who doesn’t steal bases.
Yes, he can hit HRs… but that doesn’t really matter in PETCO.
by Zen Blade on Dec 21, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think the Padres will go after Jones
He is arbitration eligible this year and a FA in 2014, it wouldn’t make sense for the Padres to move usable prospects for a player who will be a FA by the time they are ready to make any run.
Anywhere but the Cubs.
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Rzizo for Padroya, strait up
Seriously though— would the Angels take him and a pitcher (Thatcher perhaps) for Howie Kendrick? He’s a very good middle infielder who fits the Padres’ “speed kills” mantra, and he’s a much better clubhouse guy than O-Dawg. As for how Rizzo fits in, Bobby Abreu is 37 and there’s no apparent DH successor in their system.
If not, I like packaging him for Adam Jones, though I’d be wary of giving up too much.
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I think StrangeBroP25 addresses how Rizzo fits in
talking about the DH role. WHich, face it, the DH spot is what Poo-Holes’ will be doing the last 7 years of his contract when he’s on the other side of 35
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Yeah but the last thing you want to do when you sign a guy to a 10 year contract
is trade for his replacement in the same off season… I’m sure PooHoles is not looking at becoming a DH anytime soon.
Rizzo would probably be in the minors with the angels this year
should such trade happen. And I would not discount the idea of Pujols getting DH reps this year, and being a DH sooner rather then later.
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by Nater Tater on Dec 21, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Besides, Rizzo wouldn't be PooHoles direct replacement;
Rizzo could DH to replace Abreu, as StrangeBro stated.
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by Nater Tater on Dec 21, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Except they're already replacing Abreu
with Kendry Morales.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Forgot about that part
and was going with the premise that StrangeBro presented.
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by Nater Tater on Dec 21, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I thought the plan was, Morales moves to third with Albert in town
He’s DL’d for all of this year, so that’s immediately a moot point.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 21, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Who says it would piss him off to DH?
He might want to from time to time so he’s not having as many fielding innings on a body that ain’t getting younger.
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by Nater Tater on Dec 21, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
PooHoles is a GG 1B
Do you really think his ego would not get a little hurt if the Angles traded for an MLB ready 1B…
Sure he may be looking to take 10 to 15 games off a year and just DH but the Angles are not going to trade their starting 2B to fill that hole.
You think Rizzo is ML ready?
okay…..Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
But as i was reminded, The angels have a DH candidate already, so in that sense, a trade would not make sense
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by Nater Tater on Dec 21, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
I'd trade rizzo to my bedroom for my empty dresser
The dresser is a 5 drawer player with high upside on the bottom two drawers. Unfortunately I have somewhat of a logjam of dressers thanks to my grandmother’s hope chest and my great grandmother’s armoire.
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by Jordan_Ming on Dec 20, 2011 7:36 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
He did
You’ll receive the petition for a restraining order tomorrow in the mail :-)
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by TheAxManCometh on Dec 20, 2011 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
O's just turned down a package of Prado and Jurrjens + prospects for Adam Jones
that leads me to believe it will take a pretty solid package (that’s what she said) to pry him away.
TBD
maybe
but it could also be that prado and jurrjens are “win now” type pieces, not long-term answers
by iheartyourfart on Dec 21, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
They absolutely are
Both are near free agents and are for a team that needs something to get over the hump, not a team in the need of a total teardown.
I don’t doubt Adam Jones is something of a foolish wish but I think it would do two things; would show the team isn’t just trying to rebuild and trade everyone of value, and would give the team some actual excitement this year. Let’s also be honest, this would be the first time we’d have a solid RF since the heyday of Brian Giles (gulp)
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by TheAxManCometh on Dec 21, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
what would you propose as a fair trade for Jones?
Keep in mind he’s a 2nd year arbitration eligible player.
Would you consider building around Headley and some pitching prospects?
TBD
by IputtheYinTony on Dec 21, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
agree
hes a 275 with pop, but imagine this numbers with half of his games at petco,
by Ivan Verastica on Dec 21, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
maybe o-dog/bartlett + rizzo + darnell/bass
for upton and hak-ju lee, then send upton to a third team for a right fieder
by iheartyourfart on Dec 21, 2011 10:28 AM PST reply actions
I Don't think the Rays would take on O-Dogg or Bartlett
My guess it would be Rizzo + Bass/Castro for Lee and another minor prospect.
Cobb/Lee for Rizzo/Castro
Extra pitcher, fantastic SS for the 1B and a spare pitcher
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by TheAxManCometh on Dec 21, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
have you seen their MIs?
getting rizz would let them stick zobrist back at 2nd. they’d probably be more interested in acquiring Bart bc they badly need SS help
by iheartyourfart on Dec 21, 2011 11:57 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I doubt it.
There’s a reason they traded him in the first place.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think there is any chance the Rays trade Lee
They need a long term shortstop themselves.
Tim Beckham might be available though.
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 21, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Wow Beckham has gone from
1st overall six million dollar man to bleh might be available, in just three years.
We should've traded Bush for him
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by TheAxManCometh on Dec 21, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
The article references him as a "Matt Bush-caliber bust"
Ouch. With him and Ryan Leaf, our fair city has a lot to answer for.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 21, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
You don't trade rizzo yet
No idea how Alonso will be. I think the trade shows how little they think of Kyle Blanks, who is awful. Rizzo is the superior defender to Alonso and has more power. Trading him now would be stupid
Blanks really isn't awful.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
he's been playing hurt a lot
and proven he’s a grade-a middle of the order bat when he’s clicking. if he gets PT and can get in a groove i think he can be a great player.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 23, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
he definitely isn't
He obviously has the ability to hit at the major league level. He’s just streaky. He doesn’t even have a full season’s worth of ABs under his belt.
In the only month which he played every day in 2011, August, he went .270/.324/.566 with 7 home runs. Homeboy has serious power.
by walnut falcons on Dec 24, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
I still like him a lot
Petco is such a stupid hard place to hit. Blanks had a wRC+ of 103 last year with an OBP of .300, and SLG of .406. Still light for a left fielder, but I think he is capable of doing much better. He’s in better shape than he was in 2009, no reason he can’t replicate those types of numbers if he stays healthy.
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 22, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
What about Toronto?
As a Blue Jays fan, I’m curious to know what you would want for Rizzo should he become available. I always thought he was quite the prospect when coming up with the Red Sox and he might be a good fit for the Jays.
Rizzo for Gose
prospect trades rarely happen, but I’d like to see that.
by walnut falcons on Dec 21, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Gose or Marisnick. We can even it out if there's disputes to value.
But since AA probably won’t trade those guys, a realistic proposal would be something like Adeiny Hechavarria SS and Marcus Knecht OF. Both are considered C+ by Sickels while Rizzo is a B+. I think it’s fair value.
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Two C+'s for a B+?
No freaking way. That’d be terrible for San Diego.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, okay, that's probably light.
It’s tough to trade with them because they’re so pitching heavy and we got all kinds of mid rotation starters.
What we really need is Jake Marisnick OF and Adeiny Hechavarria SS. Marisnick is a B+ and Hech is a C+/B-. We’d probably need to throw in a C+ to swing that deal. Maybe Vince Belnome 2B? Nice bat, but he probably won’t be a good defender. We’ve still got Galvez as a backup plan to Spangenberg.
Alright, how about Rizzo and Belnome for Marisnick and Hechavarria?
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Gose doesn't seem that great
I doubt he ever hits better than .250 in the majors. Marisnick+ would be great though.
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 22, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure where he'll end up or when
But this is definitely a good problem to have. A surplus of young talent can’t hurt.
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by mrbarneydangles on Dec 21, 2011 2:41 PM PST reply actions
Ha, that's right.
Andy Ashby was traded for Adam Eaton, Carlton Loewer, and Steve Montgomery.
Eaton and Aki Otsuka begat Chris Young and Adrian Gonzalez.
Adrian Gonzalez begat Rizzo, Kelly, Fuentes.
And now Rizzo will result in either Tim Beckham or Adeiny Hechavarria.
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Didnt he fall out of a tree while hunting in the off season. Am I making that up?
by EC_padsfan on Dec 21, 2011 6:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That trade reminds me of the Peavy trade a little.
Loewer was supposed to be the prize just like Poreda, but never made it. Richard is Eaton in this scenario. And Montgomery is the other guy,
Remember the year Eaton went 9-1 with a low 3s ERA
…and proceeded to injure himself stupidly before the ASB— by stabbing himself, IIRC?
Never was the same after that. Ah, memories.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 23, 2011 1:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think you definitely trade Rizzo if you can get fair value
Blanks and Guzman are good enough backup plans to Alonso that Rizzo should be expendable.
I agree with others that have mentioned Blue Jays, Rays, and Cubs as the best matches. Though other teams should definitely be interested which will hopefully allow the Padres to get a good return.
Trade proposals:
Blue Jays: Marisnick+ Hechavarria for Rizzo
Rays: Beckham+ Parker Markel
Cubs: Brett Jackson+ Reggie Golden
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 21, 2011 9:16 PM PST reply actions
Replace Golden with Ryan Flaherty and I'll make that deal in a heartbeat.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 21, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Oops, I'm a dumbass.
Flaherty went to Baltimore last season.
CARRY ON.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 21, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie Golden has some power, right?
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by mrbarneydangles on Dec 22, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
This is what the prospect guy at fangraphs said about him a year ago
At the plate, Golden’s set up looks like that of a power hitter. He has an upright stance but isn’t really all that well balanced. It looks like he has a pull oriented approach. For him to reach his potential, I’d have him spread out a bit more at the plate and get him to spray the ball more. He has a quick bat and good wrists so, with more experience, he should generate natural power without having to sell out for it. Golden also has good speed but it’s expected to diminish as he fills out. Defensively, he has a strong arm and is considered a good fit for right field.
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 22, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
I remember seeing a picture of him and he looked like a big dude.
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by mrbarneydangles on Dec 22, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
The Rays trade provides the least value.
I don’t have any idea what kind of player Beckham is going to be. No one really does. But, whether warranted or not, his star has faded and he’s flirting with a bust label. His value is down. He definitely shouldn’t headline a trade for Rizzo.
Also, in a chat the other day, Keith Law said he would “much rather” have Rizzo than Brett Jackson.
by walnut falcons on Dec 23, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I saw that Law comment too
Would be great if the Cubs felt the same way. Jackson + Sczur? Law does seem higher on Rizzo and lower on Jackson than most of the internet talent evaluators though.
The Rays package is definitely the least value. Markel would be the higher rated prospect, but probably not high enough. I was just trying to find a pitcher that was farther away, but still fairly high rated. Seems it might be a bit of a bottleneck if we have too many SP’s in the upper minors.
I know you can’t have too much talent, but you still need to find 40 man spots for these guys at some point. It’s going to be tough to find a way to protect all of the prospects worth protecting the next couple years. Though it’s probably not a bad problem to have.
by Antonio Olivares on Dec 23, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I think Chicago is way higher on Szczur than he's actually valued at
I’d be perfectly happy with scoring those two for Rizzo, but I don’t think Jed would let their two top CF prospects go that easily.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 23, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I really think a trade with CHI would have to include Garza and a third team
They’re not going to want to unload multiple prospects to get another prospect. They’re certainly not in a position to do that. They need to unload Garza and get Rizzo from us in the same deal, or at least companion deals.
CHI gets- Rizzo, third team prospect(s)
SD gets- third team prospect(s)
third team gets- Garza
by walnut falcons on Dec 23, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Milwaukee would be a nice fit as well
Straight up for John Axford….
He could do amazing things in Petco Park if his arm holds up. He is inexpensive for 4 years.
The Brewers need a First Baseman now that Prince Fielder is gone. And Miller Park could help put Rizzo’s bat back on track.
It could be a bit of an overpay by the Padres, but closers typically are overpaid as a rule.
We've got one MLB-tested closer and two more coming down the pike
Street, Boxberger, and either Brach or Mikolas depending on who you ask.
If we trade him to Milwaukee, Eric Farris better be included.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 29, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Eric Farris?
Is that sarcasm?
Axford is a heck of a lot cheaper than Street is going to be, so they could always flip Street to a team that really needs a closer such as the Rangers or Angels.
That still doesn't address the fact that we've got two or three equally cheap guys in the system
And trading a B+ first base prospect with plus power “straight up” for an average reliever who needs “if his arm holds up” appended to his name is a dreadful, dreadful idea.
Why would Farris be sarcasm? He’s just about MLB-ready, he fills a need position, he steals bases and hits for a better average than O-Dawg does, he’s mashed at the minor league level, he’s not yet arbitration eligible, and he’s considered expendable in Milwaukee with Gennett coming up behind him.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 30, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
You make good points
The Brewers arent going to trade Axford anyway, as they are typically very bad at trading at peak value (as are most clubs) but a trade such as Rizzo for Axford would be based on Axford maintaing his high level of performance for the remainder of his control by the team, and also the improvement in his numbers going from hitter friendly Miller Park to pitcher friendly Petco.
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