As the Padres reload, can we agree on what "reloading" means?
Padres Fan, let's all agree on some terminology because it's been driving me crazy over the last few weeks as the team has been making moves.
Specifically, the concept of "loaded". I've been hearing it on the radio and I read it in comments that the Padres are "loaded" at some positions. I realize that what's driving me crazy is people consider "loaded" in a bunch of different ways, and those ways are different from mine. I'm sure your definition of "loaded" works for whatever context you were describing, but to me, "loaded" means that you have the following 3 things:
- A bona fide starter. Ideally a top third of the league top of guy at his position. Dude has to have demonstrated this for at least one season, if not more. The one season cannot be an outlier out of 5 or 6 seasons.
- A qualified backup. A backup player that comes in and immediately becomes a top half of the league type of guy.
- Minor league strength. A top prospect at the AA or AAA level who will be ready to go at the big league level within the next 3 years. Somebody that we would bring up when rosters expand. Behind that top prospect, there need to be serviceable guys who are on good development paths, i.e. players who aren't stuck at a level for more than 2 years because of slow development and not just being blocked.
To stick with the gun analogy, "loaded", to me, means we have one in the chamber, ready to shoot, and a full clip behind that first one in case we miss. And I mean a full clip. Like you should be able to hit the mark and still have bullets left.
I see some critique that we didn't "need" Yonder Alonso at first base because we were already loaded, which is hogwash. At first base we were loaded with rubber bullets and blanks.
Literally Blanks.
So what are we at first base? I'd say we're flush. And just like in poker, you can be flush in different suites. Our suite is potential. We have four guys who could potentially be great over the course of 2012-2013: Jesus Guzman, Anthony Rizzo, Yonder Alonso and Kyle Blanks with Old Man Mark Kotsay sitting in the clubhouse rubbing a cow's femur against their bats.
Flush can turn into "blocked" if more than one of these guys turn out great considering they're somewhat close in age, but that's a Good Problem To Have. I like flush. The Padres don't need to be loaded at every position to have a successful season, but if we're flush with potential at every spot like we are at first base, then I like our chances of getting north of .500 sooner rather than later.
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AJ hicks was on MLB Radio today
Said that Garza is a “peculiar rumor that doesn’t make sense or fit what they are doing”
and that Boxberger was the key to the deal, see him as a part of the 2012 bullpen.
He also said that he wouldn’t be surprise if 3 out of the 4 are on the opening day roster.
Pitching prospect he is highest on: Joe Ross.
Kelley, Simon, Erlin, Weiland, will all probably see big league time this year.
Luebke he believes is the Padres best pitcher on the Padres roster before the Latos trade.
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I'm inclined to agree
People were talking like Latos was our “ace”. But I just didn’t see it. He had the potential to become our ace, but I frankly think Luebke has more upside.
I think Luebke is more consistent.
But I don’t see any of the kind of dominating performances Mat gave in 2010 coming from Luebke.
Not necessarily dominant...
but from what I’ve seen of Luebke – he has excellent control and smooth form. I’d agree that consistent is a good word for him.
the glavine to our maddux
we still need a maddux
by iheartyourfart on Dec 20, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Stauffer can be our Maddux.
As much as anyone can truly be Maddux again.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Dec 20, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
If he is, that would be the second.
Stauffer did it between being drafted and signing.
by Darklighter on Dec 19, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously.
I want to keep Stauffer forever and ever. Which will guarantee that he’s traded next.
by Darklighter on Dec 19, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Thought that was Tim Stauffer
He disclosed a shoulder issue during negotiations.
by ElectricFriar on Dec 19, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
health problem???
i think we re confussing with michael kelly
by Ivan Verastica on Dec 23, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
maybe stacked is the right term
moving forward the padres look to have a lot of good options at corner infield, corner outfield, pitching and perhaps catcher. with maybin figuring to be a fixture here for some time, i’m excited at the prospect of a team that doesn’t have huge, obvious glaring holes that are going to keep it from serious contention. all of our teams have been “flawed” since ‘98. i.e. ’06 we didn’t have an ace, ‘10 we didn’t have any protection for agon and our young pitching broke down in september, in ’11 our offense sucked and catcher, 1b, and corner outfield were soul-sucking black holes of non-production for much of the year.
the good thing about being “loaded” or stacked is that you still have trade capital to work on things after your positions are filled.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 AM PST reply actions
you might think they are stacked
and then you find out it is just padding
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
by Hormel on Dec 19, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
fool me once.....
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
I hope Maybin is a fixture for some time
I thought the same thing about Latos.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Dec 19, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
"loaded" at...
1B, 3B, LF…
NOTHING at 2B/SS.
Solid at C and CF. “meh” at RF.
Our LF could be better either defensively or offensively… we basically have numerous prospect-type players who could become regular LF, but nothing permanent.
Maybe we are at first base now
But prior to Alonso (and what I’ve read about him), I would’ve thought… “It looks like 1B will be OK.”
blanks, decker, darnell, maybe guzman in LF
they can all hit and have a ton of upside
fuentes, tekotte, and tate are all worth mentioning too.
by iheartyourfart on Dec 19, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
^agreed
I think we’re “loaded” by that definition at 3B. Headley…with Darnell and Gyorko very close behind and ready to contribute. Forsythe is strong there as well.
trading away an ace to get a minor leaguer is idiotic.
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What about three minor leaguers and a major leaguer?
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Dec 19, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
One major leaguer and three minor leaguers.
And even that’s not really accurate. Alonso has almost half a season of major league experience, and I fully expect him to be on the 25 man roster by April 1.
that is what the Rangers said
once
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
by Hormel on Dec 19, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
So let's recap, shall we?
The Padres have traded:
Adrian Gonzalez, Mat Latos, Mike Adams, Ryan Webb, Edward Mujica.
And have received:
Anthony Rizzo, Casey Kelly, Reymond Fuentes, Yonder Alonso, Yasmani Grandal, Brad Boxberger, Edinson Volquez, Robbie Erlin, Joe Weiland, and Cameron Maybin.
I’d say the rebuilding has been a clear success so far.
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Not terrible.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 20, 2011 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
shameless rosterbating:
CF – Maybin
3b – Headley
RF – Beltran
1b – Alonso
C – Hundley
LF – Blanks/Guzman
2b – Hudson
SS – Bartlett
Rotation – Garza, Luebke, Stauffer, Volquez, Richard
BP – Moseley, Brach, Spence, Thatcher, Frieri, Gregerson, Street
Bench: Blanks/Guzman, Kotsay, Baker, Denorfia, Cabrera/Forsythe
acquiring garza for a package that revolves around rizzo, bass, a lower level prospect, and maybe guzman or blanks seems do-able. if we are able to salary dump hudson or bartlett and give the job to forsythe/cabrera it would make it easier to go after someone like beltran (it looks like STL has shifted its focus to cocoa crisp and TOR is only interested in beltran as a DH).
Bud Black on MLB Radio this morning
He is still high on Blanks as being the LF. Thinks he made the most strides. Sounds like he thinks Boxeburger, Alonso and Volzqez will be opening day roster.
He also clearly stated that they wouldn’t split playing time with the young guys. He want Rizzo to have 1000 AB in AAA.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
My guess is that the Garza rumor was either made up or would be part of a 3-way trade for an IF
With all the pitching depth that is almost MLB ready I’m not sure if it makes sense for the Padres to trade for a starter, projected to make $8 Mil this season, whom they will only control for two years. That deal would make sense if the Padres were going to try and make a run within the next year or two but all the moves they have made since the trade deadline point more to 2014 than 2012.
Too late.
Beltran to St. Louis.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 22, 2011 10:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
beltran just signed a 2 year deal
and padres have no interest in garza
by Ivan Verastica on Dec 23, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I think we're loaded with foul-weather fans. Or, at least incompetent local sports "writers" (I'm looking at you, Canepa).
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