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Why Would Any Padres Fan Defend Their Current Ownership?

I don't post in the SignOnSanDiego Forums mostly because they're mean and kinda bitter and, well, I kinda have my own blog where people are already mean and bitter so I don't need to double down.

Still, I'll rebut NateDoggSD's latest rebuttal of me (full text in this thread and copied after the jump).

First off, I'll say that before even reading his post, all I could think is that there are people who truly believe that there's a vast conspiracy here. As I understand the conspiracy:

  • Jeff Moorad has conned several multi-millionaires, in to fronting the collateral to buy the Padres
  • As part of this elaborate con, he's convinced John Moores, all of the other owners in the MLB, the City of San Diego and everyone's respective lawyers and accountants that he actually has hundreds of millions of dollars that he does not have.
  • His main plan is to buy the team and then quickly turn it around and sell it again for a tidy profit (because as everybody knows in this economic climate, the value of things unimproved only goes up and up and up)
  • While he owns the team, he's also kicking back to friends and former clients, jobs and favors, not because they're competent players or baseball minds, but only for the simple fact that he knows of these people and presumably, they will pay him back in the future (somehow...)
  • The Padres are currently one of the most profitable teams in baseball and Jeff Moorad, despite being in the process of financing to purchase the team, is not allowed to use that money for anything, but in fact he is using the money to buy an island on hookers to facilitate the transfer of ownership within a leveraged buyout. (A practice that mom didn't use when she bought her house, and therefore must be evil black magic VOODOOOOO)
Have I got that right?

So first off, jbox hates when I do this, but let me just say that it peeves me when people say I don't know anything about the business of sports. Mostly this peeves me because I studied sports business, have a Sports MBA, have consulted with sports teams, and generally taken an interest in understanding the business of sports.

Sure, this doesn't always come off in my posts when I sarcastically make a joke about trashcan liners in an effort to point out that the cost of doing business with a sports team is not only realized on the field.

Also, I find it laughable that people criticize me for not understanding business and yet insist that the Padres not spending more money is a bad thing.

Look over the rebuttal (again after the jump), but pay attention to this (emphasis mine):

But what about that $200 million in team revenues over six seasons that’s being used to complete the purchase? That’s over $33 million a year not being used to improve the team on the field. That’s $33 million that could put the Padres well over $70 million in payroll, and with the new TV deal, over $80 million. It still wouldn’t have been smart baseball to hold onto the Adrian Gonzalez for over $20 million a year. It still wouldn’t have been sound strategy to give Heath Bell $9 million a year over 3 years. However, right now the Padres are hoping to move either Jason Bartlett or Orlando Hudson, because their $5.5 million salaries are too rich for the current payroll. The 2010 Padres won 90 games with a $43 million payroll. Imagine what they could have done with a $75 million payroll.

Sorry NateDoggSD, but I'm not buying it.

In the same paragraph that you accuse the Padres of not spending $33 million a year to improve the team on the field, you say that it would be dumb to have tried to hang onto the two guys that would most obviously have justified the $33 million. Two of the more productive players the Padres have seen in the last decade as well as arguably the two most popular players the Padres had. These are the guys, in a perfect world where nobody else is trying to unreasonably outbid us, that we should have hung onto.

And then you criticize the Padres for trying to move Jason Bartlett or Orlando Hudson, claiming the only reason that the Padres have to get rid of those guys is because we can't afford them.

And the kicker is the last sentence. If we did this with $43 million. What could we have done with $75 million. Or even a billion, it seems to say. Heck if we had a billion dollars, we could win 324 games in a 162 game season.

Imagine that!

But the rest of the post and this paragraph in particular is what annoys me. It all boils down to the fact that Padres Conspiracy Theorists truly believe that dollars spent on major league roster translates directly to wins on the field. Like perfectly. It also boils down to the idea that a player is not going to be worth watching if he hasn't proven his value in the form of a multi-million dollar contract already.

Think about that logic. I want to see good players and good players make a lot of money therefore pay players a lot of money because that means they are good. It's inane logic.

Personally, I'll defend the current ownership because logic like that is indefensible. I wanted to see Adrian Gonzalez here not only for his bright smile and winning personality, but because he's a great player. Heath Bell is a great player.

But ownership says they're too expensive, and I look at stuff like WAR and the Boston Red Sox and I figure, OK. Probably right.

To then make the leap that we can't find a better second baseman than Orlando Hudson for less than $5 million and then tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about?

Ummm....

And for the Padres Conspiracy Theorists out there. I don't think you realize, but the way baseball works is different from the other sports. Players signed out of college and into the pros for the first time are NOT getting their fair wage. That's what I mean by "work the system".

Remember when Jake Peavy was 24 and won 15 games for us? The Padres paid him $750k that year. $750k for production that the Dodgers could not match with Jeff Weaver (13 W, $6.25M), or Odalis Perez (7 W, $5M) or anybody else.

JUST BECAUSE YOU SPEND MONEY DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU BOUGHT IS WORTH IT.

I mean, Mom's house (in NateDoggSD's example) was bought for $100k and is worth $350k, BUT MOM DID NOT MAKE $250k. Equity is not profit. Money spent is not money earned. Wins are not bought dollar for dollar.

I can't think of any more different ways to say this and still not have the feeling that SignOnSanDiego Forum will be like, "INCOMPREHENSIBLE!" or "What's this retard talking about?" or "Dude, I bought an issue of Thor for a buck once and turned it around and sold it for $2 so Dex obvi doesn't knw business." Not you, NateDoggSD, but maybe you. ;)

Anyways, whatever. Be conspiracy theorists if that's what floats your boat. Coast to Coast is still on the air late at night from what jbox tells me.

Here is the full rebuttal:

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I feel like I’m turning into a conspiracy theorist. Hell, MLB.com Padres writer Corey Brock basically called me one on Twitter recently. This is what Jeff Moorad has turned me into. I believe that Oswald acted alone. I find the TV show Ancient Aliens to be trashier than any reality show on MTV. I don't believe in ghosts. I don’t think the government imploded the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Then Moorad and his ownership group bought the Padres on a ridiculous payment plan, let his brightest front office minds walk in order to promote his Arizona cronies, and started signing players he used to represent in his former career as a player agent. Now I've become so bitter and cynical about the Padres current ownership group that when Jacque Jones was hired to be the hitting coach for the Padres' Low A affiliate in Fort Wayne, I just assumed he was another one of Moorad's boys (he wasn’t, but can you blame me?).

So when Dex over at Gaslamp Ball wrote his "Rambling Defense of the San Diego Padres Ownership Group," it’s safe to say I was destined to write the counterargument and do something I rarely ever do, put effort into stringing more than 2-3 sentences together at any given time.

I’ll start by defending Dex. His post is definitely rambling and off the cuff. Maybe after further thought, he’s realizing that the ownership group of any company generally isn’t paying money out of their own pockets to buy hotdogs or trash can liners, or even to pay employees. Maybe he’s realizing he doesn’t really understand how sports ownership works, how much revenue baseball teams make, and that owners make their millions selling the team for huge appreciation profits and not by taking annual dividends. That’s how Moorad’s ownership group plans to make its money; paying $300 million for a team that’s valued at $500 million, masking it as a $500 million purchase, allowing the team to sustain itself through its own revenues, and then eventually selling the team for hundreds of millions of dollars in pure profit.

Now let’s break it down. Instead of comparing ownership to the lottery, let’s compare it to realty. My parents bought their home in North County San Diego in 1987 for a little over $100,000. Even after the real estate market crash and the lack of recovery that followed, my parents’ house is currently worth around $350,000. That’s almost $250,000 in profit, not including mortgage interest payments. That’s a pretty good investment. Baseball franchises tend to appreciate in a similar way, so purchasing them and holding onto them should net a tidy profit one day. Now let’s go through Jeff Moorad’s Padres purchase, with actual bullet points:

• Jeff Moorad and his investors bought the Padres in early 2009 with an initial investment of $150 million, or a 30% ownership stake in the franchise. • They agreed to buy the team on a 5 year plan, interest free, having until 2014 to complete the purchase and finally own 100% of the team. • Since then, the Moorad ownership group has reportedly increased their ownership stake to 49%. If you set the Padres purchase price at $500 million, then that increase from 30% to 49% amounts to $95 million. • It has been reported that Jeff Moorad is currently initiating a $150 million capital call, in order to gain majority ownership of the team before the January owner’s meetings, ironically being held in Arizona, so that the owners feel like the Padres have stable ownership and will approve their new TV deal with Fox Sports. • If you combine that $150 million investment with the $150 million initially invested by the group, the Moorad group will have invested $300 million, or a 60% ownership stake in the franchise. But if Moorad’s group plans to end up with 100% of the team, where does the other 40% come from? Well, where did that 19% ownership stake come from to get the ownership group to 49%? • Forbes does an annual franchise value ranking for baseball franchises. Though not an exact science, they are the only ones who do this and their report is considered newsworthy every year. • Forbes reported in 2009 that the Padres had an operating income (see: profit) of $32.1 million. Forbes reported in 2010 that the Padres had an operating income of $37.2 million. • If those numbers are true, and the Padres had an operating income of at least $25.7 million in 2011, Moorad’s group could afford to use that operating income over the past 3 seasons in order to increase their ownership stake to 49%. • If they keep up that pace from 2012-2014, when the group is scheduled to complete the purchase of the franchise, they would be able to complete the 100% purchase of the team using a $300 million investment and $200 million of team revenues.

So what does this mean? That if the Moorad group values the Padres at $500 million and are only actually investing $300 million of their own money, they have $200 million in instant equity upon the completion of the purchase, and they did it all, unlike my parents, without having to pay any interest. It’s a savvy business strategy. They took a distress sale, purchased it on a zero interest loan for 60% of its value, and at the end of their purchase will be able to sell a healthy franchise for a tidy profit, or hold onto the team and hope the franchise’s value appreciates, like teams have done historically.

But what about that $200 million in team revenues over six seasons that’s being used to complete the purchase? That’s over $33 million a year not being used to improve the team on the field. That’s $33 million that could put the Padres well over $70 million in payroll, and with the new TV deal, over $80 million. It still wouldn’t have been smart baseball to hold onto the Adrian Gonzalez for over $20 million a year. It still wouldn’t have been sound strategy to give Heath Bell $9 million a year over 3 years. However, right now the Padres are hoping to move either Jason Bartlett or Orlando Hudson, because their $5.5 million salaries are too rich for the current payroll. The 2010 Padres won 90 games with a $43 million payroll. Imagine what they could have done with a $75 million payroll.

Padres fans shouldn’t be defending any of this. They should be outraged. At Moores for putting the team in this position. At Moorad and his group for taking advantage of the situation. At MLB and the other team owners for allowing it to happen. The team on the field, and in turn the Padres fan experience, is suffering because team revenues are being used to purchase the team, and not only is nobody of any significance doing or saying anything about it, people like Dex at Gaslamp Ball are defending the practice.

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Shit's gettin' intense.

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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 17, 2011 1:41 AM PST reply actions  

strawman argument

On the very next play Venable soiled the sheets again

by strummer on Dec 17, 2011 5:16 AM PST up reply actions  

That would look so funny!

"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."

by padmadfan on Dec 17, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure if you know this

But you don’t have to read San Diego Forums……I found a site on the interwebs that let’s me post about baseball and all I had to do was give a fake email address….true story.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Dec 17, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

"I feel like I’m turning into a conspiracy theorist."

Trust your feelings, shitc0ck.

Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...

by sdchicken on Dec 17, 2011 1:54 AM PST reply actions  

i just like the fact that our clearly superior rotation

is earning less money than the doyers are paying aaron harang and chris capuano next season. file that one under #loldodgers

by iheartyourfart on Dec 17, 2011 2:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Does Nate Dog realize

that if his parents bought the house in 1987, but 20% down on a yr fix rate at 8.5% that year, they would have paid about $270K in total payments for the house, plus another $35K in real estate tax.

If the same year they bought a 30year bound for 20K at 5% they would nave had netted $85K risk free?

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Dec 17, 2011 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

i dont think its crazy to think that he might be intereated in a short turn around

Because John Moore’s had to liquidate assets as a result of divorce proceedings, he sold the team during a down economy and started a sale much quicker than he may have otherwise which means maybe Moorad did get a bit of a deal. How could we know? Without seeing financials we can only guess. But if that is the case, then why would Moorad want to sell the team almost immediately after its been purchased? In fact that was probably a huge selling point to the investment group; That there would already be equity in their property due to the purchase price. So why not sell after the team is purchased? Since they determine budget then they may still have received modest to high returns on the team during the purchase process and could still sell the team for a decent return after just a few years. I worked in commercial real estate for 10 years and that kind of stuff happened all the time. So, as I’ve said before, not everything the detractors say is necessarily without merit

"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman

by cubbuster on Dec 17, 2011 8:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Maybe

But if that were the case, they’re going about it all wrong. The right move would be to go ahead and sign a lot of big league talent now, not invest at all in the future through the draft and start a marketing blitz. Get the value up quickly and a quick way to sell a rich TV contract and lots of season tickets is to extend yourself a little bit with the 2012 product.

Instead we’ve seen a notable lack of marketing, little big league talent and a ton of future investment.

Prepping for a sale in the short term to me looks a lot more like the Miami Marlins than what the Padres are doing.

by Dex on Dec 17, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

not true at all

If you were looking to make a quick profit then sure, you would want a marketable product. But the padres already have a loyal fanbase and a new television contract. What they most certainly would not want to do is what the Marlins are doing. If they did that nobody would want to buy them. Thats why teams purposely sell off players right before an owner sells. Because the last thing you want to do is raise the selling price of a team based on player contracts and not value. And, when you think about it, this group has done exactly that: made the team more valuable from a new potential buyers perspective. By building in the draft and ensuring quality players in the future for little money, with a long term tv contract, and with continued support from a fanbase who loves the Padres and who even loves the ownership like some of you guys. I find the whole thing pretty impressive if that’s actually what theyre doing.

"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman

by cubbuster on Dec 17, 2011 9:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

OK maybe you're right

But then what are the Marlins doing?

I just get the feeling that, as much as you believe that we’re in love with this ownership group for no reason, there are people out there who hate this ownership group regardless of what they do.

“Sign a big name free agent!”
“OK How’s this?”
“FORMER MOORAD GUY, ASSHOLES!”

or

“Our farm system sucks!”
“OK We’ll pour money into signing bonuses to make sure we get guys we wouldn’t have even thought about drafting before.”
“WHY NO BIG LEAGUE PAYROLL, ASSHOLES!?”

by Dex on Dec 17, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I disagree

The right move would be to avoid big long term contracts that future ownership groups would be stuck with (ie why the padres traded peavy before they were sold). New ownership groups want to come in with a clean slate and build the team as they see fit , what better way to do that than with a stocked farm system and little to no long term obligations.

Also it would be a great business move on moorads part to buy the club on credit then use the revenues generated by the club to pay off the loan… That is a pretty standard business move It’s like buying a rental property then paying it off from the revenue generated from renters.

The problem is that we see MLB as fans and owners see it as a business.

by Grey Suit on Dec 17, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

From the forum thread, and why I can't take these people seriously.
Do we have anything resembling evidence that Moorad is spending revenue money to buy the team? I could really use it right now.
Why would you need it?

And the real kicker is that this was posted after someone referred to parts of this article as

which, for the record, is a fat load of speculative BS

by Darklighter on Dec 17, 2011 8:39 AM PST reply actions  

Well if Ken Rosenthal's tweet just now is any evidence

The current ownership really doesn’t have any intention of doing jack shit to win.

They just traded Mat Latos to the Reds.

by athletics68 on Dec 17, 2011 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

...

Dex, I think you’re making some logical mistakes in criticizing Nate’s post.

“In the same paragraph that you accuse the Padres of not spending $33 million a year to improve the team on the field, you say that it would be dumb to have tried to hang onto the two guys that would most obviously have justified the $33 million”

Response – You are pulling a bait-and-switch on the main point. The point is that the money obviously would help in getting or keeping good players. Whether or not the best way to use that $33 million is on current players is a separate issue. Personally, I also think it stupid to get into a bidding war with a free-spender to keep Bell or Gonzalez.

“If we did this with $43 million. What could we have done with $75 million. Or even a billion, it seems to say”

" It all boils down to the fact that Padres Conspiracy Theorists truly believe that dollars spent on major league roster translates directly to wins on the field. Like perfectly."

Reponse – Look, more money doesn’t guarantee anything, but IT DOESN’T HURT. I guarantee you if you were to plot a payroll graph vs. record graph, there would be a positive correlation between spending and winning. All other things being equal, the padres would have won more games in 2010 with a higher payroll. Dollars do not perfectly translate to wins on the field, but they do ON AVERAGE.

“Think about that logic. I want to see good players and good players make a lot of money therefore pay players a lot of money because that means they are good. It’s inane logic.”

Response – This is a complete straw man argument. Who said anything like this? It comes down to winning and losing… if you have good/exciting players, nobody cares how much they make.

by SeventhSon on Dec 17, 2011 12:50 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

If nobody cares how much they make...

Then why does EVERYBODY care how much they make?

Why then should our payroll be greater? What difference does it make if we spend $33 million more? That’s EXACTLY caring about “how much they make”.

If Baseball America is telling us for the first time in 20 years that we actually have a minor league system worth writing about, then we will have good/exciting players in the mid to long term and there’s therefore no need to spend $33 million more dollars in payroll.

Also, I’ll disagree with you on spending more money not hurting anything. Case in point, Randy Myers. Case in point, Jim Edmonds. I could go on and on.

by Dex on Dec 17, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Cubbuster does make an interesting point.

If Moorad’s idea was to flip the club, what he’s doing would fit the mold very well. The fly in that ointment is the team’s debt load, which is considerable. Remember, the sale price was $525-$565 million, “depending”. The depending part with the installment plan was that the dollar price was fixed at just under $300 million, with the balance being assumed debt.

Forbes tagged Padres debt at $200 million, but by the sales price, it’s apparently more. The layaway plan allowed Moorad to run the club for up to five years to reduce the debt – and the final purchase price. You could say Moorad is using the payroll savings to buy the club, and you’d be right in that he’s been paying off some of the debt, but the cash is still fixed – he still has to cough up nearly $300 million in cash for a club that Ray Kroc bought for $10 million in 1974, that Joan Kroc sold for $82 million in 1991, that John Moores bought for $85 million in 1993.

Despite paying off debt during the layaway period, there’s still a heavy debt load remaining, the bulk being the $115 million share of Petco that Moores borrowed at 8.65% that cannot be paid off early. That’s about $11 million/year that has to be paid before payroll, though the 30% ownership of Petco that can be written off over 30 years reduces the impact.

If Moorad’s plan is a flip, he still has to buy the club outright, and the major league team has to show some on-field success before the flip to get the best price. He’d need to improve the major league team over 2012-2013 to flip it in 2014-2015, so it’s looking like Padres fans should be happy about the team’s on-field prospects over the next couple years, as long as the fans don’t freak out over the trades/moves that must happen now and are happening now. If he’s not going to flip, he’s setting the team up for steady, sustainable success, both financially and on the field.

In short, whether Moorad is a flipper or not, the team should improve substantially over the next couple years, including next year – the off-season isn’t over yet, and the 2012 team could be measurably better by April.

by wegotballsley on Dec 18, 2011 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

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