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Heath Bell signs 3 year $27M deal with Marlins

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It's official... on Twitter. Heath Bell has signed a 3 year deal with the Florida Miami Marlins for $27 million. From everything we've been hearing the Padres weren't interested in offering him the elusive third year.

#Marlins agree to 3-year $27M deal w Heath Bell, pending physical. Expected to take physical tomorrow. More to come at http://t.co/o5eb6fmG
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The Padres will receive draft picks as compensation.

If reports are true, the #Padres will receive a compensation pick after the 1st round and the pick just before FLA's in round 2 #mlbdraft
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Sweet!

Now the Padres get an early first round pick and don’t have to worry about Bell’s declining K rate!

I am the Walrus

by yleviticus on Dec 1, 2011 8:41 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

the k-rate might have been a sample-size mirage

his velocity has been constant and he was a bit unlucky with BABIP, IIRC. his main problem was his curveball. his command with it was off so he always either got hit off of it or couldn’t get it over for a strike. any pitcher will tell you the effectiveness of a curveball varies, sometimes wildly, from outing to outing (control, sharpness of break, opportunities to throw it, etc.).

when you’re dealing with a guy that pitches ~60 innings a year, you have to be careful about which statistics you put weight into. i think he’s got another year or two at an elite level, then he will decline. the marlins might regret it if they are stuck with him for 4 years/$36m because of the vesting option, but such is the nature of free agent signings.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 1, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No, this is Sweet

Don't hate the game, hate the nerds!

by thenerdhater on Dec 2, 2011 6:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

good luck to heath

you couldn’t ask for a better padre or a nicer guy in the time he was with us.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 1, 2011 8:51 PM PST reply actions  

Glad he is getting paid, been great for us and will be missed.

That being said, way to much for the Padres to pay for a closer.

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by Padres_Hobo on Dec 1, 2011 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

As soon as I saw the figure

I said to myself, “Okay, good.” It wasn’t a low price that the Padres could have paid. Sad to see him go, but for the price, we have others.

Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.

by Friar Fever on Dec 1, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad I'm not the only one blaming Norv

It’s all his fault!!!!

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by tonoxtono on Dec 1, 2011 11:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Won't miss his play nearly as much as his personality

I think we’re more than capable of replacing Bell in the next year or two for WAY cheaper, what we can’t replace is his personality and his leadership.

My biggest question now is what do we do with all the available payroll?

Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts

by mrbarneydangles on Dec 1, 2011 10:26 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

before new acquisitions

i think our payroll is something like $40m with the expected arbitration raises for guys like venable and headley. since the payroll is supposed to look like $50-55m next year that gives us some room to work with. depending on what happens with bartlett and hudson (and keep in mind we might actually free up some payroll there) it looks like what the club is working on is right field and bullpen. i’ve heard mixed views on whether or not the padres will pursue a veteran starter.

as for the BP i expect them to either go after someone like Lidge or perhaps two lower profile guys, i.e. one dustin moseley type and maybe another middling KT-like flyer.

right field and 2B/SS are where you’re almost certainly gonna see some movement. veteran infielders with good gloves are currently enjoying about their highest value i’ve ever seen (jamey carroll, mark ellis, and clinton barmes all got deals well over what you’d expect). since they are in such demand i expect byrnes to do everything to try to move either hudson or bartlett. the pads have been linked to furcal (kind of a lateral move i’d say, unless you’re hell bent on "anyone but odawg’). also wouldn’t be surprised if venable is packaged into any deal.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 1, 2011 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn

There goes our lone All-Star. Seriously though, his abilities and his personality will be hard to replace. We should have sold him and kept Adams. Thanks for everything Heath, thanks for nothing Jed.

by athletics68 on Dec 1, 2011 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

dont worry

we will still have an all-star this year

Oh! Sweet Nuthin'

by CurbEnthusiasm on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Wonder who our all-star will be next year.

Latos? Maybin? Long shot-Jesus?

Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts

by mrbarneydangles on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You should hang a star on him.

queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd

by Aussie fan on Dec 3, 2011 2:29 AM PST up reply actions  

O-Dog

Duh

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by tonoxtono on Dec 1, 2011 11:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Anthony

Le Sigh

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by Jordan_Ming on Dec 1, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Darn, I never got his autograph

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by tonoxtono on Dec 1, 2011 11:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

To Heath Bell,

Thanks for putting San Diego on the map!

by soulSD on Dec 1, 2011 11:30 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Apparently you have no clue what a cartographer is.

by soulSD on Dec 2, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And just to keep the above from going green, I was referring to Bell saying he was going to put San Diego on the map on Baseball tonight a few years back. Which is why his nickname was the “cartographer”. Get it?

by soulSD on Dec 2, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Who the fcuk is Tony Bell?

Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...

by sdchicken on Dec 3, 2011 4:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Luke

As long as he keeps the dali, he’s got the facial hair for closing already.

by Dex on Dec 2, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed

Needs a good pre-season though, seemed to have lost a little something this year. But his stache was special.

queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd

by Aussie fan on Dec 3, 2011 2:30 AM PST up reply actions  

what about Frieri ?

Gregerson doesn’t have a very high k/9…

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair play to him...

But $27M was way too much.

Still, should have moved him instead of Adams earlier this year.

Seemed to be a top bloke, wish him luck in the new Miami stadium. I’d love to see what he really thinks about that animatronic home run thing, though.

by EnglishChris on Dec 2, 2011 6:51 AM PST reply actions  

why do you care what the Padres would have paid him?

You would have been angry had Heath Bell gotten $27 mil from the Padres? I don’t understand why the fans are cheering the stinginess of the ownership. I would be excited if we had a payroll of $100 million— and a payroll of $200 million would be orgasmic. But hooray for you i guess, glad your happy. You are just the kind of fan Moorad loves.

I think they should have paid Heath. $27 mil was fair. A lot less than Papelbon or what Madson is seeking.

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I would be very angry if we had a payroll of $200 million.

It would mean that the Padres were spending an unsustainable amount of money, and it would also likely mean much more expensive tickets, and I find neither of those palatable.

But, just to play along, even if the Padres were spending that much, I still don’t think it would be worth it to give Heath $9 million a year for 3 years. That’s a ton of money to spend on someone who doesn’t play that much, is getting old, and is relatively easy to replace (especially when half your games are at Petco).

by Darklighter on Dec 2, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

We say this about every player who leaves..

Is there any free agent player you would agree is worth signing? I am not talking about over the hill guys winding down their careers. I doubt the Padres will ever have another player they keep through their arbitration years and then sign as a free agent.

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

With the current payroll?

Well, Harang worked out pretty well last year. Garland wasn’t a bad pickup in 2010. But if you’re talking big ticket, multi-year free agent contracts? This is really not the time for the Padres to be making those kind of moves. Their best talent is still under team control for several years, and there’s a lot more talent in the farm system that will be coming up soon. Once all of that comes together, then you start thinking about making the big ticket signings (likely Latos and Maybin). Otherwise (and I’m going to sound like a broken record here) you look like the Rangers signing A-Rod to an insane contract without having a team to back him up.

by Darklighter on Dec 2, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Latos would be nice...I'd be happy with that.

Honestly, what I really have a gripe with is the reluctance to even pay the arbitration amounts. Supposedly, we were talking about paying Heath Bell 2yrs and $16 mil. 3yrs and $27 mil wasn’t far off and seems reasonable.

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Contract length is as important as price.

I’d be shocked if we can’t have someone more effective than Bell closing in three years. Plus, the contract isn’t just $27 million. There’s a vesting option for a fourth year.

by Darklighter on Dec 2, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm sure he's betting on $36m. for what?

200 innings? 240 max? i get that the closer pitches in high leverage situations but we all agree there is no point in committing that much to a guy in his 30s when you know you can replace him. even assuming he took a padre discount and signed for $24m instead of $27m i think we can all agree that money could be much better spent elsewhere, namely locking up latos and maybin.

heck $27m over 3 years could have got us aaron hill, ryan doumit, and grady sizemore. probably with a good chunk of change to spare.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 2, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

big ticket free agency is a loser's game

especially for a team like the padres and a reliever in his 30s. guys tend to give a pretty good value for the first year or two of their deal but the latter half tends to be an overpay. teams tend to have to pay players for what they’ve done instead of what they can do in the future COUGHJETERCOUGH. not to mention the fact that free agency by definition all but guarantees you are giving the player a deal that no other club would be willing to give – an overpay.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 2, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The move also opens up a spot on the 40-man

and gives Byrnes some flexibility heading into the winter meetings. I’m really hoping they use some of the money and dump Hudson. I’d be fine with a middle infield of Bartlett and Cabrea (misspelled for humor’s sake) with Andy backing up both spots.

TBD

by IputtheYinTony on Dec 2, 2011 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

and forsythe

kid is scrappy to the max. depending on how comfortable bud feels about moving everth between 2b/ss we could have a pretty decent 3-man rotation in the middle infield and do it very cheaply as well, which frees up money elsewhere.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 2, 2011 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Let Bell go, Hire Minaya

Guess we plan on having a multi million dollar front office and a 10 cent team

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by TheAxManCometh on Dec 2, 2011 8:39 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Front office people are the new market inefficiency

I am joking, but there might be some truth in it. With the caps on the draft, spending a lot of money on scouts/front offices might be one area where a small market team can try to gain some advantage over the big spenders.

by Antonio Olivares on Dec 2, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Maybe we can put him on posters outside Petco

Him and Byrnes and any other sycophants & failures that Moorad wants to hire

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by TheAxManCometh on Dec 2, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Interesting. And I like it.

Plus the criticism of Minaya seems bizarre. We haven’t hired him to be our GM. Just to do something that he has an excellent reputation for doing within mlb circles. And our number one prospect should also point to the importance of signing excellent prospects out of Latin America. It just seems to me to make sense (and I know I should have posted this in the other thread!).

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by Aussie fan on Dec 3, 2011 2:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Seems like most baseball people like the move

because they recognize he’s good when he knows what he’s doing.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 3, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup

queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd

by Aussie fan on Dec 3, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

his split stats suggest he is going to fine outside Petco

K rate is still about 9 (in small sample size). The other thing that was very good was his HR rate, that pundits will say will evaporate outside Petco. Except that was very good on the road as well.

So I expect him to continue to pitch well. We cannot afford that kind of money, but that is an indictment of baseball economics, not our front office. Anyone else notice this is the sole professional sport without a cap or material revenue sharing?

With the Bolts sucking and a small market payroll, hard to get excited about our town’s prospects. OK, still have the beach, beautiful women and chill beach lifestyle, but, I live in SF so get none of that.

by jayman66 on Dec 2, 2011 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

We just can't compete financially against these big market teams

like the Marlins

On the very next play Venable soiled the sheets again

by strummer on Dec 2, 2011 10:01 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Minaya's accomplishments with the Mets:

Delgado = over the hill bust
Moises Alou = over the hill bust
Oliver Perez = worst pitcher in baseball

Oh yeah, and Minaya traded Heath Bell to the Mets in 2006 for Ben Johnson (never played with Mets and released in 2007 and reliever Jon Adkins (late season call up in 2007; never made it to majors again—now he is a scout for the Red Sox). Minaya also traded away Matt Lindstrom for another bust.

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

he was hired

to make Josh Byrnes look good

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

by Hormel on Dec 2, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

FALSE

Jon Adkins pitched in four games for the Reds in 2008. He now lives a couple doors down from my friend Cody.

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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 4, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Fans suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?

Sometimes when I read this board I can’t help thinking that a large number of posters are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, or some variant of it as shown in their zealous defense of the miser behavior of Padres ownership.

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

You can't just live in a vacuum

If ownership comes out and says the team is only spending $X, then you gotta root for that money to be spent wisely.

Sure, ideally, we’d root for a Padres team that had a big budget and you could just wait and see what big name was going to get signed next, but that’s not our reality.

by Dex on Dec 2, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

we have all this really good talent in the minors

Rizzo, Liriano, Sampson, Kelly, Spangenberg, Gyorko, Wieland, Erlin, Ross, Darnell, Decker, etc.. (and granted, we got a bunch of these guys by trading away our studs), but what I fully see happening is the Padres dumping all these guys before they get deep into their arbitration years (and before we win anything) and its just becomes a never ending cycle where we never win but end up as some farm system for big market teams.

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

we rarely lose guys in their prime

peavy, nevin, klesko, kotsay 1.0, vaughn, caminiti, ashby, k. brown, etc. had all peaked before we let them go (brown had on and off good years but had two awful contracts).

adrian and mike adams were each under team control for another year. granted we definitely could have kept adams but his trade didn’t really seem financially motivated (a two or three year deal was definitely within our budget, especially with heath leaving), but rather it was a purely baseball move. we ended up getting 2 guys who look like they will be big cogs in our organization so i’m not bummed.

by now everybody knows the story with adrian. only 2 teams out there actually wanted him and could afford him and he wanted. we got a good return for him as well. if any of those young guys work out the club will probably do their best to lock them up like they are currently working on with maybin and possibly latos.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 2, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Tampa Bay have built a similar cycle

And they’re never going to amount to anything either.

queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd

by Aussie fan on Dec 3, 2011 2:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Comparing the Padres to the Rays?

Oh my!

On the very next play Venable soiled the sheets again

by strummer on Dec 3, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

if we were the Rays

we’d win like 5 straight division pennants in the NL West

by abara on Dec 3, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Well it's who we're modeling ourselves on

Is it not?

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by Aussie fan on Dec 3, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought we were modeling ourself after the D-Bags.

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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 4, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

we avoided overpaying for a reliever in his 30s

got 2 high draft picks, and now have an additional ~$9m freed up to pursue some offense. i’m sad to see heath go too, but from a baseball standpoint this deal should be a plus for fans.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 2, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter how big your payroll is.

Unless he’s Mariano Rivera, giving a multi-year deal to a free agent reliever is always a mistake.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 3, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

It definitely will be for the Padres.

The smart move is signing our best players to Evan Longoria style contracts and them trading them or letting them go for picks.

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by padmadfan on Dec 3, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

what is the dollar figure ?

I know we aren’t the Yankees and have a smaller media market, but does that mean we have to be outspent 5 to 1. What exactly is the figure? I think we are getting fooled and that the Padres are far more profitable than you think. Didn’t I read somewhere that the Padres made more profit than any other major league team last year or the year before?

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 1:49 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Ownership has repeatedly said it's in the $70 to $80 million range.

And Moores certainly showed that was sustainable. As far as your profit comment, that was an article from Forbes, I think, based on their analysis. These numbers aren’t public, so there’s no way of knowing if that’s accurate.

by Darklighter on Dec 2, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that $70-$80 mil is sustainable these days

That was Moores sinking money into the club. One could say it was an investment for keeping the team’s value high, but stuff I’ve read says that he used money earned in his businesses to supplement payroll.

by Dex on Dec 2, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

it depends

the economic climate will have likely changed for the better by the time the sale is complete. then of course there’s the question of whether or not moorad and co. can do a better job of extending the market south of the border. of course nobody knows how that will play out at this point.

by iheartyourfart on Dec 2, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

If you just go by Arbitron

Then New York does have five times the media market that San Diego has, so in theory, 5 times as much payroll might be considered reasonable.

http://www.arbitron.com/home/mm001050.asp

by Dex on Dec 2, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Which isn't to say that I don't agree with you...

I’d love to have another hobbyist owner trying to win regardless of cost.

by Dex on Dec 2, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

no, i have always wanted that info so a sincere thanks

but I do find it interesting that some big spending MLB teams seem way below San Diego in those ratings.

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

hey, ideally we could find some billionaire owner

who didn’t care if the team made a profit. There use to be a few of those around in MLB.

by arch9876 on Dec 2, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

And then get that kind of purchase approved.

None of the other owners want to compete against a guy shoveling his own money into a team.

by Darklighter on Dec 2, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Selig doesn't want big moeny owners in the MLB, period

He likes lots of syndicates with no cash – it helps him keep the teams in line. All the recent sales have been to non-entities or had the odd players as a front man, but no billionaire owners. You’ll never see Cuban in baseball – not sure if he’d be good or bad, but at least it’d be entertaining.

by EnglishChris on Dec 2, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It's probably for the best

MLB won’t get a salary cap anytime soon and keeping out overspending hobbyists is the next best thing.

by Dex on Dec 2, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe... maybe not

I know its apples and oranges but in soccer I think its fun how some billionaire can buy a team like say Manchester City and they can go from being zeros to heros. Imagine what it would be like knowing that there was a real possibility that even though you were a small market team some dude from Dubai or somewhere crazy could buy your team and just start overspending to build a monster team.

As for selig not wanting clubs to overspend….I think its pretty clear what he and most of baseball want: for not teams outside of the Yankees and red sox to overspend. Isn’t baseball mostly custom tailored for those two teams anyway? Selig was sad that both teams didn’t get into the playoffs that baseball had to make another wild card slot as a safety net for either of them. Anyway…. I digress. All this to say….bring on idiotic spending. Give me a Jerry Jones or Marc Cuban to run the padres and lets make things fun.

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by cubbuster on Dec 3, 2011 11:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It would definitely be fun if the overspending crazy ended up with the Padres

But if not, then it’s just yet another team driving up the price of free agent talent. Though I guess we’re basically out of the market for free agents these days anyway.

by Dex on Dec 5, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

They also have 2 teams

On the very next play Venable soiled the sheets again

by strummer on Dec 2, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Adios Heath

The Penitentiary is slowly being released on bail. Financially, this was the only move to make, but that doesn’t make me like it more.

When we find our new closer, can we make sure his entrance music isn’t horribly lame at least?

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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 4, 2011 1:54 PM PST reply actions  

i thought it was utterly ridiculous

that heath didn’t use metallica’s “for whom the bell tolls” as his entrance theme.

- the pun factor is excellent
- it starts out with bells ringing a la hell’s bells
- FUCKING METALLICA BRO

by iheartyourfart on Dec 4, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I was disappointed he never used "Ring My Bell" at least once

Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.

by Friar Fever on Dec 4, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He did in 2010

Throwback Thursday Game vs. Pittsburgh,Padres won 3-0 Garland with the start, win. Ludwick with one of his few HR (possibly his first as a Padre but not definite on that) into the bullpen.

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by Nater Tater on Dec 4, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

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