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  • Padres Jersey Redesign: A fireside chat with The Sacrifice Bunt
    The guys at the Sac Bunt have a fruitful conversation about the state of the uniforms. I agree that the Padres should choose a distinct design and take inspiration from their Major League history rather than their PCL days.  I'd prefer if they just ditched the redesign all together and went back to a classic uniform.

    We both prefer some version of brown, aside from that happening, we have different ideas about the direction the team should go. Neither of us are in love with the redesign.
  • PADRES: Bartlett's return in 2012 uncertain
    The Padres want to trade Hudson or Bartlett in the off season. I think we all would prefer they trade Hudson but the Padres don't think there will be any takers due to his contract. Trading Barlett will probably be more likely.

  • 'Numerous' teams interested in Padres' Bell | SignOnSanDiego.com
    Bell wants a three year deal and to stay in San Diego, but he likely can't have both. He has heard that multiple clubs have interest in him and he has yet to hear from Padres GM Josh Byrnes.

    "I’ve heard Boston might have interest in me," said Bell. "I could go play with Adrian (Gonzalez) again. I could do that."
    This comment makes me think he's trolling now.
  • Padres' offseason moves will hinge on closer Heath Bell | padres.com: News
    Josh Brynes is waiting to see if Bell will accept arbitration because it will have an affect on the rest of the team's payroll. Bell doesn't seem to think he'll come back to the Padres.

    "I think it's a long shot," Bell said.
  • Padres reportedly reach agreement with outfielder Mark Kotsay | padres.com: News
    The Padres haven't made an official statement about Mark Kotsay but he is already saying his goodbyes in Milwaukee.

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I'm a fan of the redesign

But if they were to go to a “classic” uniform the only one I’d want is the 90’s uniforms that we went to the world series wearing. Brown is not a color, it’s what little kids make when they mix all their fingerpaint together.

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure why the acrimony

The hatred for blue and love for brown is non-stop here, so I don’t see the difference if someone wants to vocalize an opposite opinion.

by EvilSammy on Nov 16, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you

I was about to type the exact same thing only it was going to be snippier and angrier than what you posted. But the point is the same. People can bitch and moan on here about wanting brown back but someone can’t do the exact opposite?

Maybe that’s the real reason you don’t see many bloggers and such posting about wanting to keep blue, they’ll get jumped on by brown lovers for even thinking it…

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing as soulSD

and I think it’s because you have such a negative way of talking about brown, i.e. comparing it to finger paints and fecal matter.

When people talk about the color blue, they don’t describe like “ewww, the blue looks like a bunch of smurf carcasses were shoved into a blender and then the Blue Man Group drank it and vomited it all over a jersey”.

I was just thinking earlier, I get it athletics68, you like blue. I think everyone is pretty clear on your position.

I could be wrong but I don’t think I’ve read that anybody hates blue as much as you hate brown. They may prefer brown but they don’t have so much hatred as you do.

by jbox on Nov 16, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Bingo.

And the idea that “brown is not a color” is maddening.

by Darklighter on Nov 16, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

By the same token

I’m pretty sure everyone gets that you like brown, as do many here. It’s kind of an ad nauseum point by now. Maybe A68 has used “gross” terms for comparison, but it’s not really any grosser than the various times “spluge” has been used here, or finding phallic symbols on Giants hats. I thought the reason we all like this site is because of the immature, don’t take things so seriously nature, but the moment someone disagrees, he/she is jumped on with “we get it, you ____” or whatever. If there is going to be a daily complaint about the uniforms not being brown, then I think it’s okay for there to be a daily rebuttal. Live by the sword….

by EvilSammy on Nov 16, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

You get it, I like brown

I try not to go overboard mentioning brown all the time, but since I’m one of the two primary bloggers on the site unfortunately you’re going to get my opinion front and center most days.

I don’t have a problem with mentioning poo, I’m certainly not offended. But the uniform topic is so polarizing that it’s kind of degrading when a good portion of the people here love the brown uniforms have it compared to feces.

by jbox on Nov 16, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't realize you guys both liked Ted

It always seems like people don’t like Uncle Teddy but I don’t get why. Sure he’s absolutely nuts, but that’s part of the fun of listening to him. You never know when he’s going to go off on some tangent about the Pirates even though we’re playing the Nationals.

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't like Ted Leitner

I think he’s pompous, has a loud-to-quiet-to-loud delivery that I find grating and he seems to think of himself as the ultimate litmus for how Padres fans are supposed to feel.

I guess it’s true what they say about your own faults being the most glaring and annoying faults when discovered in others.

by Dex on Nov 16, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Turn Off The Leit

You start the movement, I’m on board.

Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.

by Friar Fever on Nov 16, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

thirded

Not a Teddy fan at all.

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by Padres_Hobo on Nov 16, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Uncle Teddy AND

I like the Brown. See huh huh? Whats next? You guys wanna brawl?

Padres Fan.

by MrDanielX on Nov 17, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't stand "Uncle" Teddy

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by tonoxtono on Nov 17, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I see your point

But I never thought Athletics68 was degrading those who liked the brown uniforms, just the color itself. I think there is a distinction.

And I don’t think it is “unfortunate” that we get your opinion most days. That’s the very reason I visit this site. The football site I visit on SB Nation, while not devoid of humor, can spend 50 paragraphs describing the game I just saw, series by series. So I need a little levity, which is why I like this site, and you and Dex in particular. What I don’t like is when dissenters are not debated, but rather jumped on with vicious zeal*. Hell, we’re all fans of the same team.
*That post that riled up the Dodger fans notwithstanding, of course.

by EvilSammy on Nov 16, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t take it as degrading. I guilty of being a brown zealot (sounds racist). Its all good. I was just making a joke with the “vocal minority” thing.

Seriously though, brown is the bees poo.

by soulSD on Nov 17, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I just don’t get how you can HATE brown. I mean, it’s one thing to say you love blue or you don’t think brown jerseys translate into modern marketing schemes…But to talk so negativity about one of the more treasured aspects of our teams history? For SHAME!

In the end, its just a jersey.

Lets just all agree that when we win a world series… we’re keeping that jersey forever.

by soulSD on Nov 17, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn,

so we’re gonna have to keep these forever?

by jodes0405 on Nov 17, 2011 12:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I could live with that

Already ordered the white one. Though after seeing them in person I really like the away dud too. Maybe someday the blue alt will be replaced with a brown alt though so everyone can be happy blue or brown lover alike.

by athletics68 on Nov 17, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that's one of the things that always gets me

Is the assumption that it’s one of the more treasured aspects of our team’s history. It’s not for many people myself included. As jbox pointed out in the great post a long while back, it’s a very divisive issue. There are some people who obviously love them, and some who don’t. Don’t make the mistake of assuming everyone treasures the brown. And like I said, I only get negative when people are getting negative on the blue which for some like myself IS a treasured portion of our history.

by athletics68 on Nov 17, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I think I post angry because I just see “bring back the brown” said so often by folks on here or the idea that blue is preferred overall, pooh-poohed as not being possible so easily that it just pisses me off and then I post. I don’t hate brown as much as it comes across (hell I suggested somewhere else today it should become an official alternate jersey), but blue gets backhandedly attacked by folks directly or indirectly implying it’s bad and brown is better that it riles me up since the blue is what I love.

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll try to refrain from using "poop" as a reference to brown from here on out

But I won’t stop talking about how great the blue is as long as there are people pumping brown equally as well.

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

pumping brown

Sounds like my idea of a good time.

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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 16, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Pumping brown - It sounds like what McDonalds does to make their patties

You ever seen video of it? Their “burgers” start out as a brownish grey paste that is pumped around some factory while being doused in chemicals before it’s reformed into patties. I couldn’t eat there again after seeing that.

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I was referring to man-on-man anal sex.

You ever seen video of it? …

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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 16, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I'll pass

But whatever floats your boat

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Understood

I totally get that. I saw in your comments that you’re open to an alternate brown jersey, which would be cool.

I don’t hate blue, for the record. I wear blue gear still.

by jbox on Nov 16, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Serious question

is there anyone here who hates the color blue?

by jbox on Nov 16, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

No, but I despise gray

Of course, I’ve said that before, so I’m pretty sure “you get it, I hate gray.”

by EvilSammy on Nov 16, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Blue and brown are my two favorite colours.

I still don’t really care for the blue uni’s. They just sort of seem uninteresting I guess. They don’t make me excited about the Padres, to similar in colors to other teams I guess?

This is a terrible thing for the Padres. - Jerry Coleman

by Padres_Hobo on Nov 16, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I love the color blue.

But I’m not very fond of it as a color for the Padres. It just feels unnatural, as if they’ve been borrowing some other team’s color for the past two decades.

by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Nov 16, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Blue
Beige
White
Grey

Impossible to hate, too generic to love.

by soulSD on Nov 17, 2011 12:30 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

This sums up how I feel about the new jerseys.

This is a terrible thing for the Padres. - Jerry Coleman

by Padres_Hobo on Nov 17, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I want orange back

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"Norf is straight up awesome on b-holes out there."--TheThinGwynn (sort of)
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by tonoxtono on Nov 16, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

This!

What I need is an electric monk

by Boilermaker19 on Nov 17, 2011 5:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Me too

Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts

by mrbarneydangles on Nov 17, 2011 6:55 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

giant lover

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Nov 17, 2011 6:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

It's interesting

the sac bunt article links to a fanpost by padres_hobo where he says that in his focus group “everyone” wanted to bring back the brown.

I understand it was only one focus group out of many, but still.

by kevintheoman on Nov 16, 2011 12:49 PM PST reply actions  

I think that was the point

He was trying to be ironic. But the FO is claiming their market research and focus groups said the opposite, that brown was bad.

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I keep getting a server error for sac bunt.

That focus group was hilarious.

This is a terrible thing for the Padres. - Jerry Coleman

by Padres_Hobo on Nov 16, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

NVM got it to work now.

Nice of them to ref. my fan post. I can’t believe that was 2009, where does the time go? Maybe it is an age thing, but to me it seems like the 20-40 age Padre fan really likes the throwbacks. My pops, who is 70 whom I go to the games with usually is not a big fan. He really likes the Military themed stuff (not the cammo), the blue with the red and white strip logo around the SD.

This is a terrible thing for the Padres. - Jerry Coleman

by Padres_Hobo on Nov 16, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's been my experience as well

This is generally speaking so take it in that context, but among people I know in their mid 40’s and older they seem to not like the brown. Those in their late 20’s to early 40’s like the brown in general (I’m an exception). And those that are in their early 20’s and younger seem to favor blue again (unless they’re purposely buying retro gear to be “retro”).

In my experience It seem that those that lived with brown but didn’t grow up with MLB Padres aren’t all that fond of the brown (ie those in the mid 40’s and older). Those that started to watch the Padres in brown (ie: those in their late 20’s to early 40’s) want it back, and those that started watching in the 90’s or late while the Padres wore blue prefer blue.

Who knows, maybe that’s the ultimate answer. Have white and blue home like today, gray aways’s with blue like today, have the military uni like today. But instead of a blue alternate, make the alternate uniform brown and gold. Do it kinda how European soccer teams do with the primaries being the team’s current primary colors, but have a clashing alternate to use at certain times, like Throwback Thursdays or the like. I mean what rules says all 4 uniforms have to follow the same color scheme when they obviously don’t have to (since our military uniform obviously looks nothing like the rest of the set).

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And I wore a mullet before it was called that

but I look back now in near shame and wouldn’t want to return to it.

by EvilSammy on Nov 16, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think thats part of why i like the brown

but my most distinct early memories were of the Brown and Orange with the pinstripes. I loved them, its what I grew up with. The only thing i didn’t like is on my TV back then , sometimes the uniforms looked to similar to the vagiants. (the orange interlocking S-D/F thing)

But I miss baseball uniforms of the 80s, when teams seemed to have variations in their colors. The phillies had their maroon, cardinals with their blues, the braves with their lowercase a. I always liked the multi-colored expos logo, and maybe its just me, but i always liked seeing the different NL Team logos on the back wall at Jack Murphy Stadium. And there was distinct differences in the colors. Now the Red teams all seem to have the same shade of red, the Blues with the same shade of blue.

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by Nater Tater on Nov 16, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Can someone in the know explain to me...

…Why we would trade Bartlett. I mean, the whole point in signing him was that we have nothing coming at SS…
We trade him away, and what do we put there? Headley? Hudson? A PTBNL? Gonzalez (sigh)? Forsythe (sigh)? Cabrera (sigh)?

SS isn’t exactly an easy position to fill right now.

Bartlett wasn’t a stud last year, but his ~.250 avg looks a lot better than a .215 average.
This just seems like a “now I’m GM… I’m doing things my way” move.

I could see trading Hudson, and eating a lot of his contract, but I don’t like the idea of trading away Bartlett. Actually, I don’t know that Bartlett is all that good, but I don’t see any sort of cheaper every day player filling this hole.

by Zen Blade on Nov 16, 2011 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

I agree

Trading Hudson makes more sense than Bartlett. That said there has to be an upgrade for both out there. Because both were very big downgrades over what they replaced ultimately.

by athletics68 on Nov 16, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat

Unless there’s reason to believe that Bartlett’s back won’t hold up another year. Although, we didn’t even see that crop up as much for the Padres as it did in Tampa.

The only reason I could think of (without assuming the Padres are being miserly and want to save money) is that they have some things they know they want to spend money on and need to free up that $5M. I just don’t know what that would be given that you’d create a hole at SS in the process.

"second base is the bizness." -jbox

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by Wonko on Nov 16, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

I mean… we have no real internal options… unless Everth somehow gains Bartlett-like abilities (which is still on the low end of what you want from a regular SS). And his contract is not that expensive. At most, he is 4-4.5 million more per year, and I don’t know where you spend that money instead…

Our CF, C, 1B, and 3B are all internally filled and I am optimistic that all four positions can produce next season. At 2B we have Hudson (I wouldn’t mind changing this). Venable and Blanks and Deno/Kotsay are presumably our corner outfielders.

So… pitchers. Latos/Stauffer/Luebke/Richard/Mosley/LeBlanc are already on the team, with LeBlanc looking to be the odd man out. But maybe we need some depth. So, you bring in a veteran, I guess.

However, Latos looked really good during the second half. Stauffer looked solid the entire year (except at the end, when he looked tired). I have real questions about Moseley and Richard. Can Moseley pitch well again? Can Richard bounce back from a pretty “meh” year? Luebke is probably going to get a chance to do what Stauffer did last year, pitch most of the year and give us a ~3.5 ERA.
I think our starting pitching will be fine.

So, maybe we bring in a veteran, but I don’t see it as a necessity.
So… relief. You shouldn’t spend too much on relievers, as a general rule of thumb.

So, I have no clue what they are trying to “free up money” for. I guess maybe a corner outfielder, but that also implies SIGNIFICANT doubt about Venable and/or Blanks.

Last year I said I thought we would be pretty good in 2012 and that either 2012 or 2013 would be our year(s)… so, let’s wait and see. Hopefully, we can get another prospect or two up here and producing between now and the start of 2013.

by Zen Blade on Nov 16, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess one thought could be

That you trade Bartlett, maybe even eat some of that contract for a young, cost controlled reliever or two and then spend the money on a FA SS. There are a couple options, but the only one that would fit that price and value/$ would be, I guess, Jimmy Rollins. I don’t see that happening, but as long as we’re speculating…

You’d probably regret signing Rollins pretty quickly though. Of course, you’ll also regret another so-so season from Bartlett on a mediocre 2012 team and then let him walk for nothing.

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by Wonko on Nov 16, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I lost you at

spend money. Up until that point it sounded plausible.

by Marver on Nov 16, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see them as one of the "mystery" teams in on Furcal.

He could play either position and would be a stop gap until they get someone younger. Of all the positions in our farm system SS is probably the one I’m most concerned about.

TBD

by IputtheYinTony on Nov 16, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if the FO considered adding mustard to the blue for the new unis.

It could have been a way to compromise a bit with the brown crowd and still give them a more distinctive color palette that also not too far out there.

by 'Eaters on Nov 17, 2011 11:46 AM PST reply actions  

YES

I have been saying the same thing for years.

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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 18, 2011 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

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