The Gaslamp Ball Rationale for our vote in the SB Nation Baseball Awards
There are some who are critical of the way that Gaslamp Ball handles the SB Nation Awards voting. Some people think we're idiots. Some thing that we don't care because we let a non-site manager vote for us. Others think that our methods reveals a lack of talent as baseball writers, which of course is ridiculous, because we've never claimed to be "baseball writers".
I'll explain our thinking, but first... Why even have a SB Nation Awards separate from the traditional awards?
The fact that the BBWAA are allowed to vote subjectively for things like the Cy Young award, the MVP, etc is a beautiful ridiculous part of baseball. Arguments always abound about who's "truly" deserving or not deserving of the awards. There are almost as many arguments about who's "truly" deserving or not deserving of even having a vote in the awards. There are many talented baseball writers who don't get a vote because they write primarily on the internet. There are many more untalented baseball writers who DO get a vote because they happen to write for some dinosaur newspaper that can barely afford to send them to the baseball games of the teams that they do cover, much less encourage them to put out any effort in covering teams that fall outside of their media market.
It's a messed up system that, more often than not, still manages to get it "right".
So, how would you "fix" such a thing?
In our humble opinion, any subjectivity that you wish to eliminate from voting professional baseball writers is not accomplished by leaving votes up to baseball bloggers. With baseball bloggers, you potentially introduce more subjectivity in four ways:
1. Baseball bloggers who want to credit players, not for their accomplishments on the field, but for other irrelevant accomplishments, such as really really liking a guy. Keep in mind that this is some of the same subjectivity that appears with traditional baseball writers. I would admit to this.
2. Baseball bloggers who want to be "smart" baseball writers and therefore vote, not according to ridiculous metrics such as Wins or ERA, but according to "smart" metrics like WAR or whatever other smart metrics get used by Bill James or Baseball Prospectus. In other words, baseball bloggers who want to completely remove subjectivity by being totally "objective" according to a subjective judgment of what metrics are most objective.
My opinion on that? If four different sites calculate WAR four different ways: F_ck WAR. In many ways that makes it worse than ERA or Wins. Have an opinion, robots! (Note: I'm not calling out any of our fellow SB Nation writers as robots. Love my peeps.)
3. Baseball bloggers who are fans of a single team and therefore pay minimal attention to the other teams in the league. This is the East Coast Bias in effect at a granular level. I'm not paid to watch baseball. I have a day job. I watch MY team and rarely watch anybody else. I fully admit to this. Does it make you a better fan because you watched every single baseball game this season, regardless of who played? I guess so. Also makes you a damn liar.
But you know what? Even if you are a "better", more knowledgeable fan, we have a vote and you don't. Am I less qualified to vote than somebody who doesn't have an SB Nation blog? No. I'm exactly qualified to vote in the SB Nation Awards because the qualification is HAVING an SB Nation blog. Sorry.
4. Baseball bloggers who are such big fans of a single team and who own their team rivalries SO much that they are completely willing to vote from the heart and say, "I have no other reason to not give this guy credit for his accomplishments other than I actively do not like the team he plays for."
This fourth thing is what happened with Clayton Kershaw. Managers and coaches can lie all they want about the truly stupid ways that they give out Gold Gloves. Writers can pretend like they know soooooo much more about baseball and therefore don't really need to look at stats to determine who wins Rookie of the Year. These guys are forced to lie and pretend that what they do is rational. That's what happens because they're being held to standards that you hold managers and coaches and writers to.
You know what standard I'm held to? I have an SB Nation blog and I am a fan of the Padres. You know what that means? I f_cking hate the Dodgers. You know what that means don't you? Oops. 5th place vote Clayton Kershaw?
BUT WHHHHYYYYYYYYYY???? HE WAS SOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOD.
Yep. Probably the best pitcher in the NL. And OOPS. He's a Dodger.
I f_cking hate the Dodgers.
Done and done. Requirement for casting an SB Nation vote: Rationality? Sure. My rationality for that is that we root for the Padres and we hate the Dodgers.
That said, I actually didn't cast that ballot. We let one of our favorite contributors cast our vote, but you know what?
She f_cking hates the Dodgers too. So there's that.
What... You don't really think that stuff like that doesn't happen to the BBWAA do you? How else do you explain some of the crazy choices they've made? I'm pretty sure there are dudes who let their kids vote or who vote because they happened to meet one of the players who made a good impression or bad impression or whatever.
All that said, if it were up to us, and it really isn't up to us, a more interesting argument could be made that we're voting on the wrong things entirely. If we really wanted this award to be given to the player who (objectively) is the best pitcher of the season, then what we should be arguing about is which metrics are most correlated with greatness. Is it WAR? If so, who's calculation? Is it some combination of metrics? Which ones and how do we combine them?
Until we get to that point, then we will happily admit that we're not baseball writers. We are not robots. We are not wannabe baseball writing robots. We are completely biased, consciously lackadaisical, admittedly incompetent, irrational judges of baseball talent.
If you don't like it, argue about it same as you would the real Cy Young Award and everybody's happy.
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The funny thing is
I didn’t even realize you guys voted in the SBNation Awards. Of course, it would make no sense if you didn’t.
Where in the world is Khalil?
by TheVinylCrocodile on Nov 10, 2011 9:20 PM PST reply actions
This might be my favorite GLB post ever.
by Darklighter on Nov 10, 2011 9:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You are my favorite in the world.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 10, 2011 9:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If hating the dodgers is wrong,
I don’t want to be right.
by field39 on Nov 10, 2011 10:17 PM PST reply actions 13 recs
Visitor from Halos Heaven
And I’m in full agreement.
P.S. Go Bud Black!
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
by red floyd on Nov 11, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Purple Rowbot...
And SDSU Aztec.
Well played, sirs and madam!
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
You guys
make the BBWAA look like adults. Kudos, I didn’t know that was possible.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Nov 11, 2011 12:06 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
You're a Dodger Fan
So there’s a lot of things you probably don’t know. Book learnins you’d call it.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Throwing a tantrum and hurling insults
because your favorite pitcher had to share a meaningless blogger award is what adults do?
by jbox on Nov 11, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Big black woman's archery association?
The hell are you talking about?
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
by padmadfan on Nov 11, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you f-ing serious with that post?
What are you guys, 12 years old? No wonder no one posts here.
by Jack Huber on Nov 11, 2011 4:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Obvious troll
calls himself “no one”.
What I need is an electric monk
by Boilermaker19 on Nov 11, 2011 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
HAHA
Big Sexy
Follow KBR and Dewey on Twitter! @KBRandDewey
by King Billy Royal on Nov 13, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
You need a shoulder to cry on?
Jerry Dipoto, Vampire Killer
by ryanfea on Nov 11, 2011 6:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Where did I not sound serious?
Even though I criticize it, by Wins Above Replacement, Roy Halliday should have won the award outright. If anything, Phillies fans should be upset that some also-ran split the award with the best pitcher in the National League.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 6:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
why vote if you aren’t going to vote based on how a pitcher or hitter, both Dodgers, performed on the field?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
They are Dodgers,
The only way they perform on the field is douchey. This is science Ray, simple, science.
Padres Fan.
by MrDanielX on Nov 11, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
makes sense
not
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
But if Kershaw didn't get that 5th place vote
Wouldn’t he have just lost outright? What you should be saying is “Thank you for making Kershaw somewhat relevant in the land of the world wide web by making your vote.”
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 11, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
no
if he was given at vote higher than 5th, he would have WON.
This “rationale” article still doesn;t explain how the 5th place vote was arrived at, or how 4 other pitchers had a better year than Kershaw.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
But, the person who I posted the reply to asked why we even voted in the first place.
Had there been no vote at all or not even a Kershaw vote, wouldn’t he LOSE?
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Nope
Not voting at all = Kershaw wins. Take away both Kershaw and Halladay votes from the one SD ballot. #Math
He's saying that we could have excluded Kershaw from the vote
and he would have lost instead of tied. Plug that scenario into a Sim and see how it unfolds.
Had there been no vote at all or not even a Kershaw vote,
Looks like he was asking about both to me
.
No vote at all = not casting a ballot. esp when he added the or not even a Kershaw vote to the sentence.
If I was asking about both, why'd you just comment about one option?
Am I not right that by voting for anyone other than Kershaw for that vote that he would in fact lose or is my math still bad?
If so, I guess we missed our opportunity to give Josh Spence a taste of internet glory with a 5th place vote.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Math
1. Vote, but no vote for Kershaw equals Kershaw comes in 2nd.
2. Don’t vote at all means Kershaw wins.
Pretty obvious, no?
It is obvious.
I was right to begin with. You should be thanking us.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
I cannot imagine having a worse year than
Playing one in a Dodgers uniform. Except maybe a Giants uniform.
Padres Fan.
by MrDanielX on Nov 11, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
For me
a Dbacks fan, the Giants uniform beats out the Dodgers uniform slightly, but why split hairs?
Oh where oh where have my Dbacks gone? Oh where oh where could they be!
by imstillhungry95 on Nov 11, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that
the aricle did explain how the 5th place vote was arrived at and addressed that Kershaw may have had a better year than everyone else in baseball.
Answer #1:
They hate the Dodgers
Answer #2:
They haven’t stopped hating the Dodgers
Oh where oh where have my Dbacks gone? Oh where oh where could they be!
by imstillhungry95 on Nov 11, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
What's your definition of "Best"?
The vote was based on performance on the field. The definition of “best” is “Of the most excellent, effective, or desirable type or quality.” On the field, Clayton Kershaw is a Dodger and AS A PADRES FAN, simply being a Dodger is an undesirable QUALITY.
Qualities are SUBJECTIVE. Quantities are OBJECTIVE.
If somebody wanted us to vote based on the quantities, then we certainly didn’t get that email.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
then
don’t vote…..really ridiculous reasoning in my opinion. You’re too biased to even know who had a good year and who didn’t.
Either that or you are making a mockery of the SB Nation awards, which is ashame, since they are the network you write for. Sorry, I just think the awards should be taken seriously. I did.
You are belittling the bloggers on the network by your disregard for a network award.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
It's not belittling anybody
If anything, I think it was very self effacing to readily admit the bias.
Be completely honest… You truly believe that the BBWAA vote in an unbiased manner? You truly believe that the writers who only vote according to Wins or ERA are somehow behaving more rationally than a fan voting according to personal preference? Do you think that Bert Blyleven got into the Hall of Fame because he magically became more relevant or dominating in the years that he was inactive? I think all the “reasoning” pointed to the fact that he didn’t deserve to be in the Hall and yet…
I also take offense that you would assume that we are “mocking” the network that we have been a part of since Month 3. We have complete respect for the other bloggers on this network despite how unrequited that respect is. Anyone who takes offense at this is truly taking themselves too seriously.
I stand by my assertion that the Cy Young Award is based on a flawed system. I see no reason to simply fall in line with a copycat award just because it’s being given by the network that I write for.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
You'd give Kershaw a 5th place vote???!!!
dodger lover.
by kevintheoman on Nov 11, 2011 7:32 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
need a recount
how did a Dodger get typed in.
Every time I start to write a Dodger’s name in something other than an insult or ransom note, I start to get the shakes and have a seizure.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Long but eventual lame and juvenile rationalization.
At some point there is a delimiting line between being a homer and objective writing. If this was a blog on blogger world then I could get behind your reasoning but you are part of the SB Nation community of major league baseball bloggers. I don’t really care that Kershaw did not win this award, three pitchers could make a claim to it.
As a SBNation blogger I was initially disappointed you didn’t take the voting seriously enough to do it yourself. Yet now that I know that even some of the SB Nation baseball editors didn’t even bother to vote, my only disappointment is that I wasted my own time trying to fill out the ballots.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 11, 2011 8:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The official TrueBlueLA response wasn't exactly mature
Anchorman quotes telling us to go fuck ourselves. I would expect that on Blogger but not SB Nation.
by jbox on Nov 11, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 11 recs
Interesting how none of the Dodger fans have commented on this.
Oh, did I say interesting? I meant totally expected.
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
If they were really as curious as they claim to be
they always could have emailed and asked for some rationale before flaming us.
Dodger fan here
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
sorta
like the Padres chances when Kershaw is on the mound, I get it.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
This doesn't make sense.
The Padres chances go over your head when Kershaw is on the mound?
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 11, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Seems to me the point of Kershaws place on the ballot was essentially the same statement.
TBLA was just a little less passive about it.
Obviously, you have never visited Lone Star Ball...
If the Halos don't care about the way they play, then why should I?
juvenile? Probbably.
But by definition…a fanatic is “a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, esp. for an extreme religious or political cause”. Gaslampball is a fan blog. To be a fan, one must be juvenile. Being juvenile is fun. I can get boring stick-in-the-mud factual commentary and news elsewhere.
The gaslampball mission statement begins with the following: “Make Gaslamp Ball the online equivalent of hanging out with two hot chicks at a baseball game who actually know more about baseball than you’d expect two hot chicks to know.” I think they are adhering to that mission statement.
by kevintheoman on Nov 11, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
You seem pretty invested in a fake award.
Did your mommy never put one of those “My child is an honor student at Crybaby Elementary” bumper stickers on her car?
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, I did, though I wish I could get those 30 seconds back.
And what I’m saying is that you’re all getting pretty goddamn bent out of shape over the Fake Cy Young Award. Have you been taking lessons on whining from Cubs fans?
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Have The Padres Been Taking Lessons
From the Cubs on how to field a winning team?
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
When was the last time the doggers had an NL championship?
A dogger fan using the “SCOREBOARD!” argument is pretty damn comical.
by kevintheoman on Nov 11, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
amazing commentary
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Have you ever read this blog before?
Don’t take this stuff so seriously. Work on that world peace thing or something.
What I need is an electric monk
by Boilermaker19 on Nov 11, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
thanks…..I, for one, took the awards seriously. Go work on taking the network award seriously
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
No, seriously, why? It’s not the actual Cy Young Award. There’s no trophy. Nobody’s going to be looking at this when Kershaw’s name comes up on the Hall of Fame ballot. Some writers didn’t even care enough about it to bother voting. It’s totally meaningless. You’re getting your panties in a bunch over what fans of other teams think about your team.
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll take the award seriously when they tell me that I have to vote based on certain metrics or calculations.
And by “take the network award seriously” I mean “not vote at all because I wouldn’t be qualified.” But guess what, I was given the opportunity to vote. I wasn’t told by SBN or anyone else, what types of measurements to base my voting on. So I voted using my heart. My heart said, “Dodger? F_ck that guy.” Again, I regret nothing. Would I do it all over again? No. Next time I’d leave all Dodgers off the ballot completely. My five votes would go to all Padres.
If you have a problem with the voting system, take it up with SBNation. Tell them to make their guidelines more strict or to outline what exactly they expect from voters. Don’t bash me, Gaslamp Ball’s site managers, or our blog as a whole. We did nothing wrong.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 11, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Asking a Doyer fan not to bash someone?
Good luck with that. (too soon?)
BTW if SBNation set up the rules to make it so you had to vote by some stat or metric why even hold a vote? Just give it to the guy with the best stats. Doyer fans are acting like children that didn’t get their way. Their guy lost (well…tied) and now they’re crying about it.
Forget the brown...Bring back Hudson & Bauer!
by turbopan on Nov 11, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been holding back comments about Bryan Stow all day.
Thanks for keeping me from being the first one to break.
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I am not an objective writer
You seem to say that I’m not objective like it’s an insult.
I AM NOT AN OBJECTIVE WRITER.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Clearly
You meant to write " I AM NOT A GOOD OR INTELLIGENT WRITER". Common mistake for someone of your quality, it would seem.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But you admitted that you were “f_cking” incompetent in this post already, so literally too stupid to insult.
by Julio Nievas on Nov 11, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Haven't you ever met a doyer fan?
Name calling is their “thing.”
Forget the brown...Bring back Hudson & Bauer!
We have very clear rules against name calling on Gaslamp Ball. As an SB Nation writer I expect you to respect those rules.
by jbox on Nov 11, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you also have rules
On mandating intelligent discourse and the ability to write an article with facts? That might be of a higher priority, just by the by.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think SB Nation has criteria when they hire bloggers.
You could check with them. It’s been like 7 years since they asked us to be one of their first 10 blogs and I forget.
by jbox on Nov 11, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 14 recs
why does that have to be higher priority? why cant we just have fun on here?
Jbox and Dex didnt set out to become “writers”. They are two fans, who made a blog to share their fandom with other Padres fans. Sports Nation invited them to there network , either because of or inspite of, that fact. I respect that other blogs on the network take everything very seriously. We don’t. And we like it that way. We enjoy the company of each other, and being..fans, with aplace to express our views. Don’t like it? You don’t have to come here.
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
by Nater Tater on Nov 12, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not even a sentence.
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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
by Axion on Nov 11, 2011 10:20 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
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Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 11, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 11, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 11, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, this one was good
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
so many butthurt fans
take it easy guys

by iheartyourfart on Nov 11, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, Dex and Jbox
Somebody left the back door open, and there’s a bunch of guys in blue sneaking in. They all seem to be walking funny like they’ve got their panties in a bunch or something. I guess it’s because Mr. Kershaw won’t get that bonus they had written into his contract for winning the SB Nation CY Young Award. I think it was 50000 Zynga points so he can really spruce up his Cityville.
What I need is an electric monk
by Boilermaker19 on Nov 11, 2011 10:25 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
I think Kershaw's beard would point towards a Farmville bonus
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 11, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In Actuality....
Your inability to coherently and intelligently defend your vote draws more ire than the vote itself. Bloggers criticize baseball writers who vote all the time for unintelligent decisions which don’t make use of the mounds of available and excellent statistics that they have at their disposal. This vote should serve as a further example that bloggers are a step ahead of the stuck-in-the-past writers, but it simply falls in lock-step with them.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I defended the vote
tl;dr? Not surprising, Dodger Fan.
Here’s the summary:
A fan blog votes as a fan. Others may set themselves up with imaginary standards of perceived objectivity. We are not obligated to follow those standards.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
several of these words have too many syllables.
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
by Axion on Nov 11, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
IJALA
So hard.
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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
No....
You defended your right to make a mockery of the voting process. Defending your vote would involve analysis of why you believe Kershaw was the fifth best pitcher. And if you do believe he pitched like the fifth best in the NL, that’s fine. I disagree, but I always support intelligent debate. You, on the other hand, copped out and played the “I hate his team so he’s automatically terrible because a Dodger can’t possibly be good” card.
And for the record, I had a vote in the IBWAA, and Kershaw got my second-place vote, which was defended using analysis and reason. So I’m not some irrational Dodgers fan who can’t stomach my guy not winning any award, even an “imaginary one”, as you see it.
In the end though, all of us Dodgers fans still get to say we have Kemp and Kershaw on our team, so if it makes you feel better to act like a twelve-year-old who didn’t get candy or the latest toy, feel free to do so. We have something called the core of a team which gives us a fighting chance each and every game. I’m guessing all you have is this outlet to demean true writing and analysis. So enjoy it my friend. Enjoy it.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
A mockery of the voting process?
It was a mockery the moment they called it the SBNation Cy Young Award.
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Bleacher Report awaits you
have at it
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What's with all the "12 year old" stuf?
It’s a common thread that people who didn’t like this refer to us as 12 year olds. Why not 11 or 13?
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a serious question
I’m just curious.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because
I would imagine those that are 11 and 13 can defend their arguments with facts….
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
By why not 12?
Isn’t that subjective? Is its a fact that 11 and 13 year olds can defend arguments with facts, but 12 year olds are mentally incapable?
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
it's a fact....
you are incapable of defending an argument with facts. this article proved that quite conclusively.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
It's a fact
I am a Padres Fan. The vote did not place any criteria that said I should ignore that fact.
I really think you are missing the point.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
everything he stated was a fact
I don’t think there was a single thing in Dex’s post that wasn’t a fact:
Fact:
He hates dodgers
Fact:
he gave his vote to some one who hates dodgers…
Fact;
Feelings towards the dodger affected his vote.
Fact:
KempKershaw is using “fact” wrong.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Factual.
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions

Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
by Axion on Nov 11, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm trying to figure out what it takes to become a member of the IBWAA
just the $10 yearly membership fee?
You also have to be enough of a sucker to pay the fee.
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Funny you should ask
The IBWAA includes intelligent writers. That’s the number one criteria, hence why you guys are absent.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I bet I'm smarter than you
Pick an objective measurement.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Baseball Analysis
Oh look, you already failed with your 5th place vote for Kershaw and 5th place vote for Kemp for MVP. Better luck next time kiddo.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
An objective measurement
Do you not know what “objective” means? I think you’re losing.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Utilizing the best statistics....
Baseball analysis is fairly objective. Again, you used no facts in voting. Simple as that. Oh, and considering this is a baseball site (it at least claims to be), I think baseball analysis is a fine measurement.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Then there should be no vote
Didn’t you read what I wrote?
If there is a perfect measurement to determine who should’ve won the award there was no reason to even cast a vote. You’re doing the job that a robot should do.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I'm only 11
But isn’t this the place where someone should say ‘pawned’? Cause one person (going by the name of Dex) is reading and making rational points based on that, and the other person is showing an inability to process information that goes against their beliefs.
queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd
by Aussie fan on Nov 12, 2011 3:34 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
intelligent writing is the number one criteria for IBWAA?
All Internet baseball writers are welcome. Those with his or her own baseball website of any kind or scope are invited to join, as are those who contribute the written word anywhere within the baseball blogosphere.
I never heard of this “organization” until today. It’s ridiculous. “We don’t have any power or actually do anything….but give us $10 and you can vote on our worthless awards”. I can’t believe someone actually paid $10 to this very poorly executed scam.
I also like the part where they say they are going to register a domain in the future….and haven’t. I kinda want to pay the $15 (or whatever ridiculously cheap fee it is these days) and register that domain name just to spite this guy.
by kevintheoman on Nov 11, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs

Also, ctrl+f on this page:
http://baseballsavvy.com/internetbaseballwriters.html
0 matches for “intelligent”
Mysterious number one requirement…
Someone should notify the FTC, this site is scamming the elderly.
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
by Axion on Nov 11, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Look... I'll put it simply
Somebody pointed out that Tony Gwynn did not get into Cooperstown on a unanimous vote because some writers didn’t want to vote in any “Steroid Era” players and because they believe that nobody should be unanimous.
If that’s a good reason to slight a player who gets compared to Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner and Ted Williams, then simply being a Padres Fan should be a valid reason for a vote from a Padres Fan.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's a plenty valid reason for you to have a vote
But it’s not at all a valid reason for you to vote against a player.
by KempKershaw on Nov 11, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe you don't think it's a good reason
But it’s as valid a reason as “steroid era” or “nobody was as good as babe ruth”.
You are right.
Its a GREAT reason.
Padres Fan.
by MrDanielX on Nov 11, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So you're the reason he tied.
You’ve got no one to blame but yourself.
TBD
by IputtheYinTony on Nov 11, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
why don't you take your toys and go home.
we never ask you to be here.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Some Bloggers are ahead of some writers that are stuck in the past
Some bloggers are simply fans that don’t care about awards. Honestly, why does the award, or how another teams bloggers treatment of such award, that very few of us have heard of, matter this much to you?
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
last time i checked
Honestly, why does the award, or how another teams bloggers treatment of such award, that very few of us have heard of, matter this much to you?
I know right? I mean who in their right mind would would comment on a FANBLOG for an opposing team about a fake award? What kind of soul-less nincompoop would waste time on such an endeavour?
Forget the brown...Bring back Hudson & Bauer!
Why are we all so angry?
We are all writing about baseball on the internet. Should this not be fun and friendly?
so if you guys hate kershaw so much
why vote for him at all?
Dude
He was like the best pitcher the NL.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 14 recs
and where do best pitchers in he NL get voted on in the NL cy young Ballot?
first…
the funniest is Hamels getting voted first tho…
alright if kershaws not first, its obviously halladay, and you guys F’ed up Twice by not even putting halladay first…. Or second.. LOL failure by you guys.. even an average fan would know this…
by matthewmafa on Nov 11, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
He is a Dodger, he gets a 5th place vote from this blog
What is not making sense?
Padres Fan.
by MrDanielX on Nov 11, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
objective analysis is missing
Ray Guilfoyle
www.faketeams.com
www.minorleagueball.com
www.mlbdailydish.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
frontal lobe is missing
if you are expecting objective analysis from this blog.
#thatshowiroll
by iheartyourfart on Nov 11, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You're right.
Tell SBN to include “objective analysis” in their voting requirements next time.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 11, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't realize until that comment that Dex is a master troll.
It’s genius, really.
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
I teared up.
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, you guys, this is all wrong.
I’m a girl, so my votes were distributed solely based on cuteness.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 11, 2011 11:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I thought you put Hamels first because he's a local boy.
Or is “local boy” part of the cuteness factor?
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
this blog as a whole is just a fail
im sorry for any real padres fans here… you guys deserve a better blog..
The exit ain't locked
What I need is an electric monk
by Boilermaker19 on Nov 11, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Somebody call sdchicken!
He’s missing the perfect opportunity to riff on The Dark Knight!
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Crap, no time to IMDB it...uh...
This isn’t the Padres blog we need, but it’s the Padres blog we deserve.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 12, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
This blog is:
Biased, irreverent, inappropriate, hilarious and fun. I find this to be a good thing.
by field39 on Nov 11, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If I wanted Serious Baseball Talk, I'd be reading Friarhood.
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
If I wanted Serious Baseball Talk, I'd be reading Ducksnorts...wait, it's gone...

Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 12, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I can't believe I just found out about this blog
You guys are fantastic. Finally some guys who don’t take things too serious!!! Well done guys!!!!!
Big Sexy
Follow KBR and Dewey on Twitter! @KBRandDewey
by King Billy Royal on Nov 13, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Who are you to say we aren't real Padres fans?
I’m sorry that we don’t take things so seriously around here. Actually, I’m not. That’s what I love about Gaslamp Ball. I’d like you to try and be a Padres fan for a season without any lighthearted fun. You wouldn’t last.
You wanna blast me for how I voted? Go ahead. I regret nothing. If this was a real award, I clearly wouldn’t be qualified to vote. The fact that I was able to vote should tell you that these awards don’t really mean anything, otherwise there would be more strict guidelines to the voting process. As Dex pointed out, there was no requirement for voting other than having an SBN blog (or in my case, being asked by someone who has a blog).
So thank you for your commentary on our blog based on what I’m sure was nothing more than a quick glance through the site. If it was anything more than that, you would see that there are plenty of “real” Padres here who appreciate how Dex and jbox run things, and have been running things for almost seven years. Fans who come here day in and day out to watch our team and joke around and try not get sucked into the pessimism of being a San Diego sports fan.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 11, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 23 recs
ALL OF THEM!
Give’um up people. Jodes hit it on the proverbial head.
Take that Dodger fans! Padres have more fun!
Padres Fan.
Agreed
As a person who rarely comments but always reads the site I couldn’t agree more. I come to this site to read completely biased, funny, irreverant commentary on my team. I enjoy this blog becuase it reminds me of hanging out with my friends talking about baseball. We don’t rattle off WAR stats and obscure sabermetrics, because were not nerds, we bitch about ownership, crack jokes at the expense of anything LA and try and enjoy our time.
I didn’t even know there was an SB Nation Cy Young award and I would be dissapointed if this blog which, I have come to respect for it’s comedy and unabashed bias, would have voted any other way.
by The AZ Lurker on Nov 11, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Damnit.
… there are plenty of "real" Padres here…
I obviously meant Padres FANS.
No pants. No problem.
there needs to be a different color for this post
because this is simply better than green!
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
Fail is a verb.
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
because were not nerds
Yes we are. But, like, cool nerds.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 11, 2011 12:35 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Shhh
You have to pretend to be cool when you talk to people from LA or they wont invite you to their fancy parties…I just hope they haven’t dug deep enough to see the constant Harry Potter refrences littering the site.
by The AZ Lurker on Nov 11, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to go to their parties anyway.
They don’t seem like a fun bunch. I’d rather be in San Diego partying with Buddy Black’s Army.
No pants. No problem.
Does having the Dodger players ranked 5th
have anything to do with your cellar dweller season and finishing 5h in the NL West? Just curious
by SeanMillerSavior on Nov 11, 2011 2:05 PM PST reply actions
Yes, that's exactly what it is all about.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 11, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Jesus Christ.
People need to relax.
A pirate I was meant to be!
"You say you're nasty pirates,
scheming, thieving, bad bushwackers?
From what I've seen I tell you
You're not pirates, you're just slackers!"
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 11, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions
I don't presume to know how the Dodgers "think"
Am I supposed to be insulted by this somehow? I never said that the Dodgers think of the Padres as rivals. I said that I don’t like the Dodgers.
by Dex on Nov 11, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Anybody who reads this blog regularly
wouldn’t be surprised the least at the sentiment of this blog post, nor bothered by it. Irreverence thy name is Gaslamp Ball.
still don't know how
4 pitchers were voted ahead of Kershaw…….other than “I hate the Dodgers” …….
Ray Guilfoyle
www.faketeams.com
www.minorleagueball.com
www.mlbdailydish.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 11, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
almost there....
lets bring him home!
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Trollface?
That is clearly coolface. :-p
Also, I wish this was our official logo.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
Cant get the wrap text to say "We Ruin Everything™"

by soulSD on Nov 12, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
This is so great.
I think I’m out of recs.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Nov 11, 2011 9:44 PM PST reply actions
Speaking of recs
what kind of a joke of a blog greens comments at 2 recs?
TBLA’a reaction to this is so hilariously childish.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Nov 11, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
GLBers, success! Our "Get New People to See Our Blog" project was a huge success!

Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 11, 2011 10:03 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Ok, this is insane
I am a Diamondbacks fan who is devoted to the Dbacks. However, I visit here on a semi-regular basis. Why? Because I want the fans’ opinionated, biased view of the San Deigo Padres. This means that this blog is filled with biased opinionated fans. To expect them to be anything else for any activity is a pointless waste of time.
The word ‘mockery’ has been thrown out a lot in this thread. I’ll tell you what is the mockery. Not the fact that GLB’s ballot was incredibly biased, but the fact that there was a ballot in the first place. When I joined first AZ Snake Pit and, by extension, SB Nation, I was under the impression that it (SB Nation) was a group of sites directed at fans of certain sports and certain teams, and run by fans of those same sports and teams. To expect anything else is the mockery, not the other way around.
Now that I have had my say, I think that I shall retire back into lurker-dom, unless of course, I change my mind
Oh where oh where have my Dbacks gone? Oh where oh where could they be!
by imstillhungry95 on Nov 11, 2011 10:11 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
Whoops
*To expect anything else besides that coming out in the voting is the mockery, not the other way around
Oh where oh where have my Dbacks gone? Oh where oh where could they be!
by imstillhungry95 on Nov 11, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I've recced a DBacks fan twice. WG forgive me.
by Darklighter on Nov 11, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Saying this will likely incite a terrible backlash against me, but as much as I hate the D-Backs
I’ve always liked their fans. I’ve yet to meet an overly obnoxious one.
PS-Post rec’d.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
Thank you
I’m glad that you haven’t met an overly obnoxious Dbacks fan yet, and hope it stays that way for, say, the rest of eternity
Oh where oh where have my Dbacks gone? Oh where oh where could they be!
by imstillhungry95 on Nov 12, 2011 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
ive met a few
but i live in arizona. But the fact that dbacks fan helped illustrate our point give more credence to , i can’t believe i’m saying this, san diego diamondbacks?
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
I dare you to prove
he was ever a Dbacks fan to begin with
Oh where oh where have my Dbacks gone? Oh where oh where could they be!
by imstillhungry95 on Nov 12, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
him and josh byrnes
are spooning as i type this
by iheartyourfart on Nov 13, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
On point.
As my father told my sophomore season girlfriend, “you’re one of the good ones”.
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wish I could rec from my phone.
I joined GLB in Feb. 2009. I stick around because it is not serious buisness and is full of the lolz Some people taking blogging about sports way to serious, I am glad we don’t here.
This is a terrible thing for the Padres. - Jerry Coleman
by Padres_Hobo on Nov 11, 2011 11:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I kinda agree
Except I’d say that GLB takes the Padres incredibly seriously (as do us GLBers), but the glorious brilliance which so many other blogs fail at (SB and otherwise), is that GLB realises that this very seriousness is completely absurd, and it wears this absurdity on its sleeve.
I mean, how amazingly revealing is it of fans who come and complain about the subjective voting process for a virtual award (an award that is bizarre at best) that is voted on by fans. Fans are not objective. It’s so incredibly simple*. And all the over-heated abuse coming from outsiders just goes to show how biased they are – I mean being a fan is ridiculous, and often wonderfully so, but to be enraged over a fun vote for a meaningless award takes it to being unaware to a scary level.
If anything, the GLB process treated this award with the greatest of respect. The fan who contributed the most to this blog through an awful season was very rightly given the honour of representing the rest of us GLB Padres fans. And she did it with style and reasoning that does us proud.
*Of course fans can analyse the game with reason and thought, but the lives of true fans are grounded in their heartfelt care as to whether their team wins and loses (some Doyer fans apparently even care incredibly deeply as to whether one of their players wins a virtual award voted on by fans of other teams). And matters of the heart cannot be objective.
queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd
by Aussie fan on Nov 12, 2011 4:05 AM PST up reply actions 15 recs
Absolutely.
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
On the inherent Awesomeness of this post:
The inherent awesomeness of this post is evident in the madness I went through to retrieve the necessary information to even make this comment.
I rarely comment because I forget my log-in information to SB Nation. But I also forget the password to a rarely used email address in which the SB Nation account is attached. It’s all a pain really. So instead I generally just read along and laugh.
I too am part of a “network” where I am expected to vote. Do I do it? No.
I watch 162 Padre games a year. What the efff do I know about any other team? Does seeing the Dodgers play the Padres 19 times a year make me an expert on the abilities of Dodger players? No. In fact, after 19 games I’m not even going to say I am an expert on the innate douchiness of Dodger players*.
Yet here we are. The opposition visiting GLB and not understanding the laughter. The use of humor to point out absurdities… it makes me… erect.
A sense of humor is a sign of intelligence. Not everyone has it. And because they don’t have it they nearly always stumble in detecting it. I’m not here to hurl names (although I just have). I’m just here** to point out that in life, nobody gets out alive. As such, a sense of humor is required… especially if one cheers for the Padres. Gaslamp Ballers have the sense of humor in spades.
As always, excellent work Dex. And a hat-tip to all GLBers who commented. I laughed out loud. I shall now go rec comments.
- Status unchanged from previous seasons. Expert level achieved after game 7 of 2011.
- I’ll also take pats on the back for the detective work necessary to even be able to post this comment that simultaneously lauded Padres fans and guffawed at Dodger fans. The best type of comment really.
by AIChief on Nov 12, 2011 9:44 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Your detective work is greatly appreciated
Hulk Hogan would call you a Real American.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 12, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
My hope...
…is that one day the Padres can boast the Most Valuable Player and the Cy Young winner as voted by the internet and parlay that into a third place finish in a relatively weak NL West.
My fear is that we would be called… the 2011 Dodgers.
by AIChief on Nov 12, 2011 10:01 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
And I always thought Pinky couldn't get dumber
NARF!
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 12, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
If this was an attempt to increase traffic on your blog, well done.
If you really believe it…well, there’s no point in debating with morons.
That's exactly what it was.
Months ago, I was asked to vote on behalf of GLB for these awards. My thought process was to take my existing bias as a Padres fan and apply it to my vote distribution just so people would complain about it, causing Dex to respond via this post, and increase the traffic of OPPOSING FANS to our blog!
I didn’t think anyone would see through my plan, but I guess I’m just so dumb from being a loyal reader and contributer on Gaslamp Ball that I didn’t think it through very well.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 12, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
What were we debating?
That you got dumber?
And why are you here? What was your emotional investment in commenting here to begin with? Did the Dodgers have some sort of deal where if Kershaw unanimously won the SB Nation Cy Young Award sponsored by Bud Light in accordance with the California State Athletic Commission that he’d be traded immediately to the Texas Rangers? Did Gaslamp Ball screw that up too?
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 12, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
These comments are the reason we hate Dodger fans so much.
The fact that you are being butt hurt over us not voting your precious SP as our #1 choice for the Cy Young award is pathetic. We hate the Dodgers, I for one am surprised that Kershaw’s name even came up on our ballot. Your pitcher may have been the best in all of baseball, but I don’t care if it was Sandy Koufax in his prime. He is a Dodger, therefore he sucks. He can have a 25-0 record, yet still sucks. I don’t care if he threw 19 perfect games, still sucks. And you guys as fans, make it worse. Even if Kershaw was on the Diamondbacks, he might have gotten a 4th place vote (because D’Back fans are higher up on our scale than you.) And time after time Dex has explained that the only criteria in voting for this is OWNING A BLOG. If this award was determined purely by stats, why would a vote be needed? I don’t expect you to vote Mat Latos for Cy Young if he deserved it, nor would I expect any NL West (or Seattle) team to vote for him. Because you are supposed to hate us, just like we hate you. We don’t care if you don’t think that there is a rivalry with us. and we don’t care if we finished in 5th place. Guess what, we have finished in last before. It isn’t the first, and probably wont be the last. But San Diego has a real core of true fans who love this team with all of their hearts. You think it’s easy being a San Diego fan? Our only good team is an arena soccer team. But I don’t care. Whether it’s Tony Gwynn or Rueben Rivera in uniform. I support them. So go take your serious baseball attitude back to your blog. I love my team. I hate your team. Mat Latos > Clayton Kershaw. Cameron Maybin > Matt Kemp. Swinging Friar > Your Face. and most importantly
GASLAMPBALL > TrueBlue.
I BELIEVE[d].
by LetBurroughsPitch on Nov 12, 2011 2:11 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
THIS
is pathetic. Still don’t know why there are 4 pitchers ahead of Kershaw, other than “we hate the Dodgers”.
Ray Guilfoyle
www.faketeams.com
www.minorleagueball.com
www.mlbdailydish.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 12, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
the fact
that SBN decided to have these awards is reason enough to vote seriously…..just my two cents.
start the “I’m a Padres fan and the Dodgers suck. Don’t take this so seriously” onslaught.
Ray Guilfoyle
www.faketeams.com
www.minorleagueball.com
www.mlbdailydish.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 12, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Einstein said that the defintion of insanity
Is continuing to put your dick in the path of a slamming door. Or something like that.
It’s kind of fun to watch.
by AIChief on Nov 12, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
This thread is now full of about 150 comments explaining the decision. Pick one.
Our voter DID take the vote seriously. She seriously f_cking hates your team and voted accordingly. What part of this aren’t you getting?
If I’ve counted correctly, you have been to about a half dozen other SBN blogs trying to drum up support for your little witch hunt. Give it a rest. Its becoming pathetic and borderlines on internet bullying.
We can’t change the vote now, nor would we at this point seeing how many tears you have shed over this retarded situation. Be an adult and put this whole thing into perspective, I promise that when you do, you will realize how silly you are being.
Also, we don’t take kindly to spam, so if you keep asking the same question over and over, you will probably be asked to go.
by soulSD on Nov 12, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Did you vote seriously?
Because if you did, guess what? You win the dick measuring contest between the NL Cy Young voter of GLB and whatever blogs you’re here representing.
Enjoy your victory somewhere other than here.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 12, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s kind of an easy dick measuring contest to win . . . unless you know something about Jodes that I don’t.
by AIChief on Nov 12, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
There's a thin line
between a huge cl*t and a tiny d*ck.
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm still convinced jodes has a penis
She may not have been born with it or carry it around at all times. But, she has one. And it can win some contests.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
Bolts from the Blue - San Diego Chargers Blog Created By The Fans, For The Fans
GLB
is not the only sbnation that didn’t vote for your pitcher. are you making an ass out yourself on those blogs too?
Forget the brown...Bring back Hudson & Bauer!
I don't think so
I think there were 3 sites that didn’t vote at all. I doubt anyone is over there demanding explanations.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
why
does the fact that SBN had awards have to mean it should be taken seriously? They invited GLB to their network, so should we be taken seriously? becuase, really, we don’t expect that.
How many times do we have to tell you, that , the reason there are 4 pitchers ahead of Kershaw is BECAUSE WE HATE THE DODGERS!!! you don’t understand that? there is NO other reason.
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
by Nater Tater on Nov 12, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
This is as simply as I can put it, and if you still don't get it, ask a 4 year old to explain it to you:
THE FACT THAT I HATE THE DODGERS IS THE ONLY REASON I PUT FOUR PITCHERS AHEAD OF CLAYTON KERSHAW.
I don’t need any other reason because I wasn’t required to vote in any certain manner. If SBN wants us to vote a certain way, then we will comply. But we were given no criteria to base these votes on.
In addition, I can’t understand why you or anyone else has yet to reply to any of MY comments on the matter. Your problem originated with ME, the person who actually voted. I’m not hiding from you. I’m owning up to everything and I haven’t changed my position on the matter, so how about you direct your anger at me instead of this blog, because if you had ANY knowledge of Gaslamp Ball other than this whole voting nonsense, then you would realize that this is a quality blog, Dex and jbox are respectable and intelligent writers (who also happen to have a sense of humor), and any animosity towards the blog or either of them is just ridiculous.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 12, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Agreed
SBNation should have given the criteria. It is their fuck up, not yours.
Big Sexy
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by King Billy Royal on Nov 13, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
we really don't need a better reason than "we hate the dodgers"
Forget the brown...Bring back Hudson & Bauer!
by turbopan on Nov 12, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
After looking at your SB Nation Profile
I would qualify you as an expert on things designated as pathetic. Your list of favorite teams read like a bowl of M&Ms.
by AIChief on Nov 12, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY IT HAPPENED.
It’s a damned imaginary award. Just like how right now I am going to nominate you for most intelligent outsider at gaslampball. I hope you win, BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN NOTHING JUST LIKE THE AWARD.
But I would still probably only give you a 5th place vote even though I nominated you. Because you’re a Dodger fan. And I hate you.
I BELIEVE[d].
by LetBurroughsPitch on Nov 13, 2011 6:55 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 6 recs
ugh
I thought he was there…..dang, we need to start over.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
I'm just pissed that Jodes
Didn’t vote Latos #1 for Cy Young, and CamAzing #1 for MVP.
Padres Fan.
by MrDanielX on Nov 12, 2011 2:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
At least we know you wouldn't have minded Latos getting the #1 vote.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 12, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
good one Broooo
we gott a bunch of joksters up in here….
Is that pronounced "Brew"?
And what’s a jokster? Did you misspell ‘jockster’? No, I guess you didn’t since that isn’t a word either. I suppose I’ll never know.
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
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Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
She should be tarred and feathered
Only because she could probably pull of the look.
I BELIEVE[d].
by LetBurroughsPitch on Nov 13, 2011 6:56 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Where did you read that?
I want statistics along with facts and an objective analysis.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 12, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm saying Clayton Kershaw doesn't deserve the Cy Young
You’re saying you have zero reading comprehension.
lol whutbro?
by Dex on Nov 12, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
What's too easy?
You should explain it to us because we’re all just a bunch of 12-year-olds on a joke of a site.
No pants. No problem.
by jodes0405 on Nov 12, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What's too easy?
Reading? Because I’d probably try it again.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
lolol
no no yo bro yo. you missed it gain bro. i clowned you bro. you just got CLOWNED.
by Dex on Nov 12, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
lol
I’m saying Clayton Kershaw doesn’t deserve the Cy Young
You’re saying you have zero reading comprehension.
lol whutbro?
yes i got clowned… Lol… Real mature… real mature…
by matthewmafa on Nov 12, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
i remember my first beer
I thank the god I don’t believe in every day that I was not born a Dodger fan.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Nov 12, 2011 6:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
As a Giants fan...
I’m pretty pleased with the outcome of the awards voting. It’s a little crazy how seriously people are taking this, though I’ve been guilty of that same kind of thing in the past. Whatever. You’re a fan of a baseball team. You’re supposed to have fun with it.
I write a Giants blog. I also write for MLB Daily Dish and Beyond the Box Score
by Julian Levine on Nov 12, 2011 11:07 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Wow, I was late to the party good stuff going on.
Seems like some visitors are lacking some common sense.
Can’t wait for opening day 2012. Mat Latos is going to take it Kershaw and the Doyers. Just do us a favor and stay up north for the occasion, he don’t want to pollution down here.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Nov 12, 2011 11:45 PM PST reply actions
Type
The evidence for reading (at least with any sense of comprehension) is paltry at best.
queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd
by Aussie fan on Nov 13, 2011 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
been on vacation for the last two weeks
But finally had the chance to read through this post and all the comments. Good times. I guess the first and quickest thing to come to mind is that if dodger fans don’t learn how to take themselves less seriously here the way we have then next year is only going to feel even longer. And the pretend awards which none of their players will be elligible for because all of their good players will have been traded by trade deadline might only seem all the more irritating. Get over yourselves dodgers fans, you’re at the bottom with us so you might as well have fun while you’re at it.
"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman
by cubbuster on Nov 13, 2011 7:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
And if you go to the True Blue site
their rationale for LA being a better city and San Diego is that it’s the food capitol of the world or some jibberish like that.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Nov 13, 2011 3:18 PM PST reply actions
having lived in all three places
1. new york
2. san diego
3. los angeles
the drop off between 1 and 2 is huge, but i still cry every time i eat a dull, flavorless avocado or when i’m completely unable to get a fish taco in this city. the point is LA doesn’t hold a candle to nyc in terms of food. among other things…
by iheartyourfart on Nov 13, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
If you go to LA
And ask for a Beef Taco, you get a Carne Asada Taco. If you as for a “Shredded Beef” taco, they tell you they only do “Shredded Turkey” (wtf?).
San Diego Mexican Food is, was, and always will be superior to LA.
Padres Fan.
by MrDanielX on Nov 14, 2011 7:21 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
There is SO MUCH GREEN in these comments.
And none of that lame 2 rec green like they have on True Blue LA. I like it.
I love this comments thread. Proves several things I always suspected.
1) Hard core Dodger fans are completely incapable of reading.
2) Dodger fans take themselves too seriously.
3) Giants fans are only useful for jumping in and saying something obnoxious.
4) Diamondbacks and Angels fans are actually tolerable.
5) I really really hate LA.
Padres Fan.
by MrDanielX on Nov 14, 2011 7:30 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Let's be reasonable about #4...
Diamondbacks fans might be okay on the internets, but when those Zonies are driving around San Diego like the clueless tourists they are…
by Darklighter on Nov 14, 2011 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice !!!!
Judge a whole fanbase based on comments from a few posters…… Nice man .. you guys are truly pathetic…
by matthewmafa on Nov 14, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
You're not representative of Dodger Fan?
Oh…. Wait… I get it now.
You think you’re better than other people.
by Dex on Nov 14, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There you go proving his first point again. Next time, READ. Or have an 11 or 13 year old read and explain it to you.
Proves several things I always suspected.
He’s not judging you BASED ON these comments. He listed opinions that he had already had prior to this thread. Opinions that were validated BECAUSE OF the comments on this thread.
No pants. No problem.
His Opinions PRIOR to this thread were probably based off of A few Fans anyways too…..
BURN BRO, OR SIS…
READ….
Just get out
The fact that you failed to read any comments anywhere in this thread where jodes says she’s a girl only shows us that we’re right. You can’t read. At all. Go find Waldo. Connect the dots to form a happy face. Do whatever. It’s evident that internet comment sections are not for you.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
lol
i wrote sis cause i knew she was a girl… dude ur failing all over the place Bro..
I'm no longer "Broooo"?
Aww….what happened between us? Have I broken thy heart?
But, if you knew she was a girl, why write bro? And add a comma? Just to match your other comments? Come on, man. Fess up. You didn’t know jodes was a she. It happens to the best of playas every once in awhile. You should try telling the truth more often.
ya know, cuz Lyin aint goo 4 ur look bro
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
lol i cant believe ur arguing about this Bro...
on every comment i have written bro, but in response to Jodes, i wrote Bro or Sis, implying I know she is a Girl….
But i wouldnt expect anything different from this joke of a blog for someone to insult me about not knowing whether she is a boy or girl… even though i obviously knew…
but it looks like this Joke you guys call a Blog likes to insult others so Keep Singing Broo…………..
by matthewmafa on Nov 14, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Every comment?
No. Not every comment you’ve made had “bro” in it. So, kind of a lie. Oh wait….
Was “bro” implied in every comment you’ve made? Gotta make sure since you’ve been such a faithful contributor to our blog. Don’t wanna insult you if there was an implied bro-ing and I was unaware.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
whats the Burn?
no really whats the Burn? you backpedalling to say well his opinion was probably based of a few fans? thats a burn? how do you know what his opinion was based off of. Mr. Daniel has traveled alot of places, and has seen more than a “few” fans. So…I don’t think anyones burning.
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
hold up
You’re a baseball blogger that doesn’t love WAR? I think that’s bigger than Kershaw-gate.
Was in SD a few weeks ago. Love the city (who wouldn’t love perpetual summer)… but aren’t all San Diegans just transplants from somewhere else?
Signed,
One of those “clueless tourists” pumping $$ into your city.
You’re welcome :P
War, huh, yeah
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Also
You wiped away any sort of diss when you ended the comment with the tongue out face. If you gave us money, shouldn’t we be the ones with our tongue out at you? You wined and dined and we made out like bandits with your hard earned cash. Thanks :P
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
It's true, it's true
I was pleased with my experience. You gotta spend some loot to have a good time, unless you’re a transient who enjoys hostels and the extra value meal.
Plus, the Mrs. travels for a living, so the airfare and accomodations were paid for by points… so it’s a win-win. We save a couple thousand which we used to pump into the SD economy… hahaha
For the record...
I’m pretty sure you’re right about San Diegans being transplants from somewhere else.
I tell people here I’m born and raised and I get a look of pity like I should’ve somehow escaped the place that they’ve decided to spend their life.
by Dex on Nov 14, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I get a lot of shock from transplants when I tell them I'm a native.
It’s like they’ve just seen Bigfoot.
by Darklighter on Nov 14, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
you poor man
you’ve never experienced the joy of shoveling a foot of snow out of your driveway in sub-zero temperatures!
I think the transplant rep has a lot to do with (in no particular order): the naval base, weather/beaches for the younger crowd, weather for the older crowd, and when the Steelers or Raiders play SD at Qualcomm Stadium, you hear a lot of support for the visiting teams. Granted, they both have good travelling support anyways.
You got a ways to go to reach Atlanta, Raleigh-Durham or Nasville levels though
I know what you're talking about
I spent two years in Charlotte. I’m pretty good at making new friends and just about everyone I met there was from someplace else. Didn’t keep just about everybody from adopting some genuine unironic Southern hospitality though, so that made it nice.
Oh, he's shoveled a few driveways in his day...
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 14, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
this needs to be green
only because the reference proves everything about this blog.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
So true.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
Bolts from the Blue - San Diego Chargers Blog Created By The Fans, For The Fans
WAR is fine
Though, by just about every WAR calculation, Clayton Kershaw should’ve come in second. If jodes had voted differently, he would’ve won first outright. This actually fixed a mistake that was about to be made.
And you know what I find interesting about the "if only she had voted differently" scenario
Not one Phillie fan has come here and asked why she put Halladay 3rd. If she would have put him even second, he’d have won. Yet, no one has complained about that. The only thing anyone has complained about is that Kershaw tied for the “award”, but jodes kept Halladay from winning outright also.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Phillies fans don't argue with words.
They prefer to use vomit. Jodes should wear a poncho to all future Phillies games.
by Darklighter on Nov 14, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I like WAR.
But I don’t think anywhere in any award voting, SB Nation or BBWAA does it state: “Please be sure to consider the Pitcher WAR before determining your vote”. Its like “Who do you think deserves a Cy Young or MVP”. Personally all I think Dodgers or Giants deserve are a gigantic poop on their doorstep.
Padres Fan.
duly noted (on all counts)
It’s your vote, so it’s your call. I quite frankly don’t understand the furore surrounding this. Well, I “understand” it, but it doesn’t make any sense to me. Your ballot didn’t impact the MVP voting and really, it just illustrates how the Cy Young vote will be (should be) neck and neck (flaming bags on doorsteps notwithstanding)
Hope you’re enjoying the extra site traffic though!
"Aren’t all San Diegans just transplants from somewhere else?"
I was born here. I was raised here. I will die here.
by Darklighter on Nov 14, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was born and raised in SD too
I live in Las Vegas now, but I hope to return someday. Paradise is expensive, I just can’t afford to move back.
I hear complaints about SD being a transplant city and I’ve never really seen it. It probabbly has more transplants than a city on the east coast. I’m trying to think of anyone I know that wasn’t born and raised in San Diego and can’t think of anyone. Maybe I don’t see it because I live in Las Vegas which is a REAL transplant city.
San Diego really hasn’t had any population booms the past 30 years. The people that live there…grew up there. Compare that data against Phoenix or Las Vegas.
by kevintheoman on Nov 14, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
my friends are quite sick of me
I spend most of my day commenting about how much better San Diego is than Las Vegas.
by kevintheoman on Nov 14, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I think there might be something class-based to the transplant thing
I work in technology and if I took a straw poll of the people I worked with in my field it’d be something like 80% transplants. If I started to include people that work within my company, but aren’t in the same field, I think that number would go down.
It might also be age-based. Would you see a higher transplant rate if you took a census of only people over the age of 40?
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
Bolts from the Blue - San Diego Chargers Blog Created By The Fans, For The Fans
perhaps
I’m 29, so thats my frame of reference. I moved out of state when I was 21.
by kevintheoman on Nov 14, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be pissed off too if I had to live in LA.
Fire Bud Black.
Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. -- Vince Lombardi
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 14, 2011 5:17 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I absolutely LOVE this post. Nothing like a good flame war to provide me with afternoon lulz, but for it to last this long???

Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
yeah... that escalated quickly...really got outta hand fast...

by Dex on Nov 14, 2011 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's what happens when you get visitors wearing suits that they bought from the toilet store...
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
i'm a Dodgers fan
i think i found my new favorite SB Nation blog.
i completely agree with your voting rationale. if i had a vote in these fake MLB awards, i would’ve voted the same way. i hate the phillies and the giants. i wouldn’t vote for any of their players even if i was being held at gunpoint. anybody who gets ‘butt hurt’ over that shouldn’t even be reading this blog at all.
kudos for this post.
p.s. is it true that you guys have an all-you-can-eat pavillion too? i’m not fat i promise.
I'll be taking my talents to South Beach.
by wongy on Nov 15, 2011 3:05 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
it's in right field
I haven’t tried it out. I’m not a fan of outfield seats.
by kevintheoman on Nov 15, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
you can come to our fat party in right field
But only you. Don’t bring your mean friends.
I BELIEVE[d].
by LetBurroughsPitch on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Did you actually just invite a Dodger fan to Petco Park?
by Darklighter on Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
To sit next to him....
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
As a Purple Row writer and voter, I believe this is a subject with which I am both objective and informed
SBNation is a fantastic set up. It allows for unique communities with almost complete freedom of writing and analysis styles while still providing opportunities and support of A large corporation. The end of the year awards are essentially meaningless, but as a company growing in popularity, and chance to gain national credibility is a chance worth taking.
You are more than welcome to hate the Dodgers. Post photoshops of Clayton Kershaw with a smeared mustache and pink tutu. Whatever you like. That’s the beauty of it. I don’t know if the voter in question had the same rationale Dex is defending, but I assume it is.
The vote didn’t break any rules. You could gave put Cory Luebke first and left off Kershaw altogether. That’s most certainly a right to vote as one sees fit. But this vote-with-an-apparent-agenda did more than rile up Dodgers fans.
See, this voting may mean nothing to you, but it does extend outside of San Diego and Los Angeles. There were 58 other voters that took it very seriously, some spending multiple hours fine tuning their vote. As SBNation strives for more and more validity in the market, season award votes are part of it. Throwing a non-serious vote in the mix skews something other people care about.
Which brings me to my point: if you don’t care about the season ending award vote, why partake at all? Why waste time soiling others’ efforts? A better “statement” against the process would be to hold your own awards, name HEath Bell number one, then laugh at Kershaw’s placement at #69, just below Tim Lincecum. You could have done that without trying to make a mockery out of A carefully conceived process by Eric Simon, implemented with much thought by dozens of great writers.
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 1:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions 5 recs
There were only 51 other voters for the Cy Young awards. Some people didn't vote.
Why aren’t you razzing them about not taking it seriously? And how exactly is “Ripping off the BBWAA” a “carefully conceived process by Eric Simon, implemented with much thought by dozens of great writers” that will give SBNation “more validity in the market”? To me, it looks like a bunch of nerds talking about their favorite X-Men stories (Joss Whedon’s Astonishing X-Men, for those of you wondering). It’s fun to do, but it doesn’t mean anything, and nobody else really cares.
by Darklighter on Nov 15, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm confused why your first question needs answering
Why should I be more upset with an absent ballot than one advanced that isn’t taken seriously? I know of A few voters who didn’t have time to put forth a well thought out ballot, so they abstained. As for your last point, your view is very inaccurate, as this entire post is evidence to the contrary.
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 3:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I count a handful of random commenters plus a couple SB Nation writers caring about this.
In the grand scale of baseball writing, that’s effectively nobody. And what about the middle point? The whole bit about how this ripoff award is somehow supposed to magically make SB Nation more valid? Are you going to defend your own claims?
the "ripoff" awards are practiced by all major sports outlets
As a way to instantly cover not only the awards but to provide analysis on the votes and players. It brings new traffic from existing outlets when the results and presentation are credible, just like any other area of journalism.
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 4:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
[Citation needed]
I see plenty of writers discussing picks and the merits of various pitchers, but who is actually running their own award votes?
we ran our own awards, and always do
Amusingly enough, Halladay was almost a unanimous winner
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 4:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I find it interesting that the lone Kershaw lover from Purple Row is the one here implying GLB is bad for SBN's credibility.
Also, I don’t find Purple Row any more credible just because you had your own little mini Cy Young vote.
I suppose that would amuse you, but
1) voting for him does not make me a “Kershaw lover”
2) whether you believe it or not, my issue with how the vote was handled is in no way tied to the end result.
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 5:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
"Kershaw lover" is shorthand for "the one person that gave Kershaw a first place vote".
It’s called brevity, and I’m a fan of it.
IJALA
www.FriarsOnCardboard.blogspot.com
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 16, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
also, espn has a panel vote
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 4:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Their panel vote is in predicting who the actual Cy Young winners will be
If that were the goal of the SB Nation vote, then I could understand your annoyance, because there would have been an actual “right” or “wrong” answer and our vote would have been wrong.
by Dex on Nov 15, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
the right or wrong, to me, is tied to the process, Not the result
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 5:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Then change the process
Don’t bitch about how we treated the process. Granted I’m not privy to communications between site administrators and SBN, but if SBN is trying to be taken more seriously and wants only serious analysis to go into the votes, then State that goal to the site administrators. If that goal is not stated, don’t whine when a site that started as a community of friends that were fans of a baseball club treated what they viewed as something not very serious as such.
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
by Nater Tater on Nov 15, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Lincecum at 68?
Please….
You know he only gets as high as #420.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Nov 15, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Please explain this to me...
How do you think that this vote affects you at all?
Do you think that any sports journalist worth his or her salt is judged based on whether or not the overall voting for Cy Young or MVP or the Hall of Fame got it “right”? The last I checked, a vote is an expression of one’s self, independent of the group. The wisdom of the crowd is what gets it “right”.
I would apologize to any writers that are having trouble getting press credentials if this one vote somehow ruins their “validity”, except that I know for a fact that writing Gaslamp Ball the way we’ve written it for the past 6 years has not hindered our ability to get into the press box, the front office, on television, on radio or really, anywhere else that wants to use us as a resource reflecting San Diego Padres fans.
I also take offense at the idea that we’ve made a “mockery” of any process (incidentally originally conceived by Martin Grady and not Eric Simon, who has carried forward the process admirably). I’ve read enough “objective commentary” from other SB Nation bloggers to realize that we are being ridiculed as somehow lesser citizens because we choose to be fans in a lighthearted manner. I don’t accuse Brew Crew Ball, True Blue LA, Purple Row, Rocky Chalk Talk, Bleed Cubbie Blue, SBN Baseball of mocking me, jbox or our blog, even though that’s what has happened over and over and over again since this vote happened.
Do you want to be mocked? How about this: Even CALLING it the Cy Young Award reeks of a “wannabe” mentality. The award will always be secondary, simply by definition. And anybody deluding themselves and leaning on this particular award for their own validity has a rude awakening coming.
by Dex on Nov 15, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
this whole post is well argued, but does not address my issue at all.
Your opinion that these awards were utterly meaningless and worthy of zero intelligent thought is well documented. I disagree, but I never had issues understanding your point. Nor did I ever question your method of running GLB, which is a straw man you enjoyed beating in your response.
My issue is you claim to be too cool for school, yet you show up and mess up what others take seriously. And yes, I know it was not literally you in this case. Why bother? If other people care, let them have their opinion and just stay out of it. You doubt these votes give SBNation any credibility, yet they (and their cousin the power rankings) generate a LOT of traffic, and I know of several anecdotal incidents of members switching to baseball nation in part due to how those aspects are run.
You don’t like how the awards are run, how they are named, how they exist at all? Fine. Don’t be involved with it then. But you state BBWAA’s voting is a “ridiculous part of baseball” and that they make “crazy choices.” A statement against the admitted poor votes they produce absolutely should not be to emulate the obvious biases utilized. That’s my opinion, and you can disagree. You can’t disagree that people do care about this. The reactions bear witness to that truth. So why mess up what people care about when you clearly dont?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 3:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is where we disagree
We have not “messed” anything up. There was no right answer. If there was a right answer, there would not have been a need for a vote.
And for the record, I never cast the ballot. JBox and I conferred and we agreed to let one of our contributors cast our ballot for us. When she asked if it had to have a statistical bent we (apparently incorrectly) told her that it did not need to be stats based.
Again, how has this messed anything up? Roy Halladay by most “advanced” metrics had a better season than Clayton Kershaw, who will win the real Cy Young Award on the basis of the Triple Crown, which, despite how rarely it happens, is one of the more statistically irrelevant awards in baseball. If Halladay had won outright, would that have been a better result? If Clayton Kershaw had won outright, would that have been better?
Again, how have we messed anything up?
by Dex on Nov 15, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I didn't take issue with the vote being a "non-stats" vote
Any rationale is welcome, but I take issue with intentionally voting down a player solely due to the front of his jersey. And moreso, I took issue with partaking in a vote in which the voter did not care or approve of the vote taking place in the first place. That may not represent her views, but you presented it as such. That is, and has been, my issue all along. Despite the length of this banter, it isn’t something that kept me awake, and I haven’t sent any gift baskets to Eric Stephen. I’ve merely presented my differing viewpoint.
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 5:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You know
The office of the President of the United States is pretty important and serious too, yet I know people who vote that couldn’t tell you the difference between Herman Cain and John McCain, or Hillary Clinton or George Clinton. Voters are free to vote with whatever rationale they choose to for even this important decision, and often choose sillier reasons to vote or not vote for a candidate than Jodes may or may not have used to decide her vote.
So are you telling people who don’t have “serious” reasons to vote for a candidate in a serious election they shouldn’t exercise their right to vote?
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by Nater Tater on Nov 15, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
I know this to be true, and this exact conversation happened
I asked a good friend of mine, back in 2000, who he voted for:
“Ralph Nader.”
“Why?”
“My favorite color is green, and he’s in the Green Party”
Did I mock him for that? Well, yes a little, but I didn’t yell at him for “not taking it seriously enough”
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I offer you your own advice
If you don’t like the way Gaslamp Ball is run, “Don’t be involved with it then”. This vote did not affect you in anyway.
I certainly don't hang out here much, as you notice
I just stopped by to provide an outside perspective, since this whole episode is riddled with allegiances to GLB and TBLA. I suppose my objective opinion isn’t valued though, as it doesn’t align with yours. Enjoy your evening and offseason.
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 5:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
"I suppose my objective opinion isn’t valued though, as it doesn’t align with yours."
From zero to martyr in just over three hours. I’m impressed.
But you’re not objective. You’ve come in with your own preconceived notions of the importance of the vote, and you’re judging Gaslamp Ball based on the fact that the writers’ notions don’t mesh with yours.
by Darklighter on Nov 15, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
What do you expect from an Internet White Knight who has arrived and claims to hold all of the right answers. Do you honestly trust this person?

Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
Thank you. Please go
You come in with an “objective opinion” that includes accusations of us “soiling” and “mocking” something. You tell us that there are better ways of making our statement and accuse us of using a “straw man” argument, despite diverting the facts time and time again that there are no right answers to this vote, thereby relying on a straw man argument yourself.
You go to your other sites and engage in “banter” that you apparently don’t think we are capable of reading that includes referring to us as inferior writers, bloggers, analysts, what have you.
You accuse us of ruining the integrity of the blogging network that we have dedicated years to (twice as many as you, by my estimation). And you offer backhanded insults suggesting that we don’t belong in the same group as other “greats”.
And then you slink away like you believe you’ve taken the high ground by calling yourself “objective”.
Completely ridiculous.
Just go.
by Dex on Nov 15, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
as for the "mockery", the word choice is admittedly strong
But it sure doesn’t feel good to have your vote counted the same when hours of careful thought went into it. You can disagree all day about how important the SBNation awards are. It still doesn’t change that an intentional bad ballot was cast in a vote you allegedly don’t care about.
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 4:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Have you ever voted in a real election?
You are not better than someone else just because you think you are, just because you put more time into a decision, just because you feel you have better criteria than somebody else.
You accuse me of being “too cool for school” and yet, if I understand you correctly… it were up to you, you’d be the one willing to turn the vote into some sort of exclusive club where only your perspective, and perhaps perspectives within 2 degrees of separation, are considered valid.
Again, it was not a quiz. There was no “right” answer. Just because you studied for it doesn’t mean you should’ve received a better grade.
by Dex on Nov 15, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have said nothing of the sort
I never said or suggested I was better than anyone. Several times I’ve written that any rationale is welcome, that really my only issue was that there was no rationale and that it wasn’t taken seriously. And yes, I’ve voted in real elections, and yes, it bothers me that dozens of write in votes go to Mickey Mouse every presidential election
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 5:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe you don't realize that you've suggested it, but you sure as hell have.
You started off by suggesting that the poll was designed to give SBNation validity and credibility. Even if that had been all you said, it would have carried the veiled implication that Gaslamp Ball is neither valid nor credible, which is pretty goddamn rude.
by Darklighter on Nov 15, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Again, how was this an intentional bad ballot?
Which part made it bad? She voted the same 5 that pretty much everyone else did.
that claim is based on Dex' words in the main story
That she hates the Dodgers, thus placed him fifth. It’s dishonest to the spirit of the vote
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 4:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The spirit of the vote? Are you kidding me?
SB has created a prize which is surely written in sarcasm font, giving it the same name as a prestigious award, just to see how incredibly seriously fans (!) could take themselves, with the faint hope that someone might realise what fandom is all about (loving and sometimes hating your own team, and despising your rivals) – apparently great writers agonised over it for hours, and then, blown up with righteous indignation and bizarre self-aggrandisement berated and mocked someone with more sense than them who voted as a true fan.
It’s really simple. There was a clear rationale. It is a more than reasonable rationale that celebrates the glorious often painful humour at the heart of being a Padres fan. Fans are biased. The best sort know this, play with it, and enjoy it. We’re only interested in how good Kershaw is when he’s had a bad year or three, and is hoping Petco can help him out. Then we’ll use some valuable stats (eg WAR) to discuss amongst ourselves whether we want him.
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by Aussie fan on Nov 18, 2011 1:56 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Our representative voted the same 5 pitchers that True Blue LA had in their top 5, just in a different order. So your examples of voting for undeserving players is completely invalid. Tell me how her vote made a mockery of the award, devalued of SB Nation, or some how warranted True Blue LA using Anchorman quotes to tell us to go fuck ourselves.
by jbox on Nov 15, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I did not come here to defend TrueBlueLA in any way
And if you read closely, I never said your rep didn’t vote for undeserving candidates. They were all deserving, naturally. I just provided an example of how far you could go within GLB without me caring. If there was some method of analysis other than “eff the Dodgers,” I could have cared less. Any one is welcome to their own methods. This was apparently a nonserious agenda used.
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 4:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You came here to try and pile on with the rest of the bloggers and readers
that think they are smarter, better writers or care more about their teams and SB Nation then we do based on a vote that in the scheme of things is entirely inconsequential..
by jbox on Nov 15, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I didn't come to pile on
I came to provide a perspective of fellow writer, and non dodger/padre fan. There is nothing wrong with added perspective.
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Nov 15, 2011 4:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Which is why we voted for the SBN award
by jbox on Nov 15, 2011 5:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
By that same logic
The vote required the perspective of a Padres fan. It certainly got it. It takes a certain amount of irrationality to keep rooting for a team like ours. It would be hard for that part of the fandom not to be included in the vote. To exclude it would invalidate the results entirely and make it a less credible or valuable award. Which, seems kind of strange since the award was never credible and had no value.
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by Wonko on Nov 15, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Now, this is great writing
If you don’t get it after reading this there is distressingly little hope for you.
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Part of what you've done
Is clearly not read the thread properly. Other fans have come and given their perspective, and it differs significantly from yours, which clearly shows that your view is not the only possible ‘objective’ one (contra to your strong implication).
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People fail to realize
That there are always outliers in awards voting. Is GLB the outlier? Honestly I don’t even know. I’ve ignored the votes (with the exception of Kershaw 5th) and laughed at the compelling aftermath.
But considering Trevor Hoffman was left off a couple ballots entirely in 1998, costing him the NL CY Young, I think Clayton Kershaw should be sending a fruit basket to San DIego for the holidays this year. . . because these awards matter. A lot.
by AIChief on Nov 15, 2011 9:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Who would of thought that that a fan wearing bias on her sleeve would be an issue.
That is what fans are, they are fucking biased. I would suggest that wearing bias on your not a joke, but fans pretending that they are not biased is.
by field39 on Nov 15, 2011 10:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Whenever I see stuff like this, it makes me think that they want to consider themselves "sophisticated" and "better than you."
I have a bunch of friends who allege that they like beer. They go to different places and then bitch about what they are drinking, claim that beer is just as sophisticated a drink as wine, and then bicker about who has better taste in beer. Listening to them whine is only bearable because I’m usually buzzed on a liquor, but every time I watch these episodes unfold it just reeks of a desperate attempt to say, “I’m better than you because when I drink this beer I consider a wide spectrum of stimuli and variables,” instead of just shutting the fuck up and drinking.
When they do this with pizza, I ridicule them mercilessly. Also, fuck them for trying to ruin pizza for me.
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by sdchicken on Nov 16, 2011 2:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We take our fun VERY seriously
FUN OR DIE.
by Dex on Nov 16, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
amen
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Damn
“We take our fun very seriously” is a great slogan.
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by Wonko on Nov 16, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
How long is it going to take for divisional rivals to learn the basics?
We ruin everything.
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by Aussie fan on Nov 18, 2011 2:08 AM PST reply actions 1 recs

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