Hacksaw's San Diego Padres 2011 Report Card
by Dex on Oct 5, 2011 2:48 PM PDT
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PrintLee "Hacksaw" Hamilton gives us his grades for the San Diego Padres 2011 campaign. Hacksaw grades Jeff Moorad, Jed Hoyer, Jason McLeod, Bud Black, the pitching, the lineup, the bench and the defense.
Jeff Moorad gets a C, which is tough to argue considering I'm not sure what earns you a better or a worse grade. Hacksaw gets on him about buying a minor league team instead of putting that money into the payroll, but personally, I see those things as separate investments. I mean, let's say Hacksaw decided to buy an iPad 2 instead of going to get a modern haircut? Who am I to give him a C on the basis of that? P.S. I love Hacksaw.
Jed Hoyer also gets a C, which I totally agree with. Playing with rentals worked out last year and this year it failed miserably. Aaron Harang and then not a lot else. Cam Maybin turned out pretty good though.
Jason McLeod gets an obvious A for running the best farm system in Major League Baseball (Baseball America be damned).
Bud Black gets an obvious B for alliteration.
The lineup and the bench both get D's, which is true enough. This is easily one of the more forgettable lineups in Padres history and that's really saying something. Alex Smith and I would trade anyone in this lineup for the equivalent San Francisco Giant in a heart beat.
The defense gets a C. I would've given them a B for Buttgrabbing.
Interestingly enough, after calculating Hacksaw's report card, the Padres have a GPA of 1.875, or a C- in most schools. Hacksaw chooses to give them an overall grade of C+, which proves to me that Hacksaw loves the Padres more than most San Diego sports media.
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Bigger budget = More negotiations
More negotiations = More prospects
More prospects = More prospect news
WE NEED THIS.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
All things being equal
Padres with a bigger budget > Padres with the current budget.
by Dex on Oct 5, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You think we'd be worse off if Jed Hoyer had more money to spend?
by Dex on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean...
Keep in mind, we finished in last place and all.
by Dex on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant payroll not budget.
I don’t think money has to be payroll, it can be draft. Payroll should fluctuate, just have to hit more often on some of this rebound free agents.
Padres Fan.
On a rebuilding club, payroll is not all that relevant.
They need to stock club with good young talent. As those players reach their arbitration years, payroll will become more and more relevant. For now it is just respectability thing, the difference between losing 90 and losing 85.
I'm just saying...
If Jeff Moorad said next year’s payroll would jump to $80 million, I would take it. A bigger payroll would not hurt.
I just don't know who or what we would spend it on.
Are there that many sure fire free agents on the market that are worth giving playing time over our young guys?
Padres Fan.
I think you're too used to not having money on the field
Some things we wouldn’t have to worry about with a bigger payroll
1. Cam Maybin’s contract. Just sign him to market value.
2. Heath Bell’s contract. Just sign him to market value.
As of right now, we’re not even sure if two of our most appealing players will be on the team next season.
I mean, what if the Padres just magically said, “OK we’re going to always spend $80 million dollars in payroll, no questions asked. This will be our payroll for the next 10 years, increasing each year so that we always remain in the top 50% of payroll and this year we’ve decided to spend that money on getting Albert Pujols no matter what.”?
Like all I’m saying is that more money would not make this team worse. I don’t get how that’s even a point to be argued.
by Dex on Oct 6, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
There is a difference between payroll and budget
I am all for increasing budget, I tried to correct myself above. I DO NOT want to spend money on payroll and get big contracts on our books.
I don’t want to see us sign anyone past 33 years old to anything more than a 1 year deal, even Albert Pujoles. I am pissed we have Bartlett and Hudson on more that 1 year deals.
Extending young 24 year old guys like Maybin and Latos is one thing. But Free Agency is garbage most of the time.
Its either guys you know will be good (Cliff Lee and A-Gon) for $20+mil a year that we cannot afford, even at $80mill payroll. Or its doing $5mil for a Garland or Harang. We can afford to take $1 fliers on Hawpe or Cantu and have them fade away. The $6 on Ludwick hurt, and it isn’t exactly fun at $80 million either.
In the end, if we are going to win, its going to be with hitting gold on a couple $1mil deals. Which doesn’t require a $80 Payroll. I would like to get closer to $80 by being able to keep guys at market value. But as of this year and at this time, we don’t need it, no one is at advanced Arb to need that kind of cash, some will be soon, and I hope we extend some of them soon. But even that will not require $80+ yet. I would rather look at some of our younger guys and see if they will develop into something worth extending, than spend money on expensive free agents.
Padres Fan.
OK. So I get that there's a difference between payroll and budget
But I am blown away that you would be OK with this conversation:
Moorad: “OK I figured out a way to not raise prices on anything and still have an extra $20 million for next season’s budget. How much does everybody want?”
Hoyer: “None for me thanks. The team for next season is PERFECT.”
Really?
by Dex on Oct 6, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats not what I am saying. I am saying this:
Moorad: "OK I figured out a way to not raise prices on anything and still have an extra $20 million for next season’s budget. How much does everybody want?"
Hoyer: Great, I’ll take all $20 million. I’ll spend it on $5 for more scouts, $5 Mil for high risk draft pick signings, and $10 mill in one time bonuses to extend Maybin and Latos.
Padres Fan.
C- sounds about right
We haven’t dug ourselves in a hole we can’t get out of. On the other hand, we need to start making progress soon.
I listened to some of this and changed stations
Hacksaw and his callers are insufferable.
How can the Padres get anything more than a D or F?
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
I give Hacksaw an F,
for opening his mouth and allowing sound to escape.
by field39 on Oct 5, 2011 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Going to type the same thing
Hacksaw is awful. I miss Darren Smith at the lunchtime hour.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 5, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't know why people are so down on Hacksaw
He’s far better than Mr. Negativity the insufferable Darren Smith.
Overall
We won 90 games in 2010 with 41 million. Payroll doesn’t win games creating a smart team with a high percent of cheap home grown stars is what is necessary.
Padres Fan.
40 - 50 mil payroll
means you have to rebuild your team every year
yes you might get lucky and win 90 games and not go to the playoffs
but usually you will get teams that are losers and not much fun to watch
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
I think two obvious options are going to emerge soon.
1. Trade for Logan Morrison. He’s a young power hitter that’s two years away from arbitration. With the depth in our farm system we could easily come up with a package to get the deal done. With James Darnell, Simon Castro, and Kyle Blanks being the potential trade pieces. I might even consider trading Casey Kelly, but that’d be more of a one-for-one swap. That would still leave us with Erlin, Wieland, and Keyvius Sampson to look forward to on the pitching side.
One thing to note about this approach is that it allows us to address our left field problem while saving enough cash to offer Bell arbitration. If he accepts it won’t break the bank, if he leaves we get the picks. Win-win.
2. Sign Josh Willingham to a 3 year deal. He’s the best available power hitting left fielder, indeed, maybe the only one who will reliably hit 25 home runs. The A’s are going into full rebuilding mode with their stadium held up. So it’s likely they offer arb. and let him walk. It’ll probably take 3/36 on the high side to get him to sign. So that means Bell, Harang and possibly even Venable are gone. We trade him after 1 or 2 years after some minor league hitter can takes his place.
Willingham hits no doubters, the Coliseum in Oakland is a tough ballpark and he still managed to hit 29 home runs. With Guzman manning first and Willingham batting cleanup behind him, you’d start to see something resembling a major league lineup in San Diego.
1. Cameron Maybin
2. Chase Headley
3. Jesus Guzman (.320/15-18 home runs, est. over a full season)
4. Josh Willingham (.250/25-30 home runs, est. over a full season)
5. Chris Denorfia
6. Nick Hundley
7. Orlando Hudson
8. Jason Bartlett.
9. Pitcher
Not spectacular, but they’ll score some runs. As usual, we’ll win with pitching and hopefully improved defense. I think that team has a chance to go over .500 and compete.
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Would love to get Morrison
However something tells me the Marlins may be a little skeptical after we robbed Maybin from them. Also, with their new stadium opening, I think they’re looking to win now, so not so sure they would be willing to let go of a young star.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 5, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think LoMo would do anything
For our chemistry and leadership issues either. Do you follow that douche on twitter?
Do. Not. Want.
Padres Fan.
Not on twitter
Read a nice article on ESPN about his Dad though. Wouldn’t mind getting him on the team, just don’t think the Marlins would go for it with their new stadium.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 6, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
i enjoy his comments on twitter
they make me chuckle.
and i DO love me a good chuckle.
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Destroying your facts with opinions
what do ya got against a higher payroll Mr. Daniel?
I mean…. I get not wanting to be like the Cubs, but I’ve never understood the fervor at which some folks on this blog argue with at the mere mention that having a few extra dollars might make a difference. Extra dollars are what allowed us to draft better this year and not draft the next Matt Bush…at least that’s what I hope. And, more money sure wouldn’t hurt when trying to re-sign players like Maybin or Headley down the line (I wont even talk about free agents since our ownership and management has promised us we will never see any exciting free agent signings in San Diego as long as Moorad owns the Padres….sigh). But back on topic…… Does the topic of the padres spending money really have to be so black or white with some people? Sometimes it just seems so ridiculous. Should we have a 200 million dollar payroll? No. And we wont…ever. but would it be nice to not be in the basement and maybe become more than just a farm team for other teams to pick players from because we have too little money to re-sign our talent? I sure would think so.
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by cubbuster on Oct 6, 2011 9:17 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think Mr Daniel X is talking about next year?
If that’s the case, I don’t see the point in spending more money next year either. I would rather give the PT to the young guys to weed out the keepers.
Where we need the money is when these guys need new contracts. That starts with Maybin, Latos, and possibly Chase. Will it increase the payroll next year? Nope. But we need to lock the young core in for the future and then pick up free agent pieces as we need them.
Overall the spending will hopefully go up from year to year, I just don’t know if we’ll see it in the player payroll in the next two or so years.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 6, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I like using Budget Money for young players
I just feel like, if we had payroll to just increase, we should have kept Adrian. No one in FA right now excites me, I would rather spend that money on draft picks, signing International Players, and improving our resources for getting players (scouts, researchers, etc).
Free Agency does nothing for me. If we used payroll to extend great home grown players, ok. But generally I don’t see how spending money in Free Agency right now does anything for us. Free Agency has a huge drop off, its signing Cliff Lee and Adrian Gonzalez for $20+ million a year, or spending $5 a year or Harang or Garland and hoping a Yorvit Torrealba falls to us.
We need to stock up on young players, that isn’t payroll money, that’s spending money on the draft or internationals.
I think more money is good. I do not want to see us with craptastic contracts on our books, and that seems to be what people want. I don’t want that.
Padres Fan.
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