Jed Hoyer to the Cubs? Here's what Padres fans should and shouldn't be angry about
So it's all going to shake out today. In case you haven't been paying attention, if you're a Padres fan, you have several things that you should be mad about right now. No, you're not mad at ownership for allowing Jed Hoyer and staff to take a 2010 playoff bound team and add just enough pieces to put that team firmly in last place the following season.
There's other stuff now.
By all accounts, Theo Epstein's pending move to Chicago has put him in the position to start hiring up all the talent that he wants to hire. He's sending offers left and right and he's got his eyes set on Padres GM, Jed Hoyer and Padres Assistant GM, Jason McLeod. All things considered, we should've known that those would be the two guys that Theo Epstein would want to hire away. Sorry for calling McLeod our director of scouting. Apparently, he's always just been assistant GM.
SO...
They're gone and we're f_ckin' PISSED. However, I'm reading stuff about what we're pissed about and some of it I get, but some of it, I'm kinda like, "Dude why are you pissed about that?" I want to retain my anger and hold it in me because it gives me lightning from my fingers, but I have trouble doing that when there are ridiculous reasons to be pissed that are getting in the way of all the good reasons to be pissed. So let's break them down... True or False, should Padres Fan be mad about the following things:
The San Diego Front Office has become the Arizona Diamondbacks Front Office circa 2006-2009
This totally depends on how much you hate Zonies. Me? I really dislike Zonies. I dislike the idea of sloppy seconds. So this is a valid reason to be pissed.
The only redeeming thing here is that the ownership group was chased out of town, so the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If Arizona Fan didn't like Josh Byrnes, Jeff Moorad, etc at the end of their run, to me, that's not a great reason why we shouldn't like them. That doesn't make sense. Arizona Fan also doesn't like warm baths. By that logic, if Arizona Fan doesn't like warm baths, then I should hate hot showers. Think about it.
Also, if you're worried about the idea that this ownership group changed Arizona's uniform scheme and that means that the Padres uniform scheme will be changing again, I get it... BUT... This is the group that changed the uniform scheme away from purple and teal, which were the sh_ttiest colors in the MLB to be perfectly honest. They aren't too keen on moving to brown and yellow, but I have it on good word that they hate the SD shampoo bottle logo as much as I do, which is good.
Jed Hoyer is a f_cking TURNCOAT
Yes, you can be kinda pissed about this. But to be totally fair to Jed Hoyer, here's how the last 5 years of his life have played out:
1. Win the World Series with the Cursed Boston Red Sox while working with one of his favorite people, Theo Epstein.
2. Realize that he wants to be a GM in his own right.
3. Notice that Theo Epstein doesn't appear to be going anywhere.
4. Gets offered the GM job in San Diego.
5. Puts together a nice year in San Diego.
6. Puts together a sh_t year in San Diego.
7. Gets offered a GM job (see step 2), with a bit more job security, by one of his favorite people, Theo Epstein (see step 1).
8. Asks for extension with the Padres based on step 5.
9. Gets turned down based on step 6.
10. Leaves for Illinois at a date TBD.
So is it his dream job? Maybe yeah. It's the position he wanted with a bit more job security, more money and with a guy he liked working for before. Should he have honored his contract with the Padres? Man, I sure wish he had. He seems like a smart guy and for the sake of our farm system, I really hope that he and McLeod really did know what they were doing. So I will root against him going forward, but secretly hope that they really know what they're doing, which he will have to demonstrate by actually doing smart things for the f_ckin' Cubs.
Josh Byrnes is a Jeff Moorad Yes Man
I could see being pissed about this, but it really depends on how much you dislike Jeff Moorad and probably not reflective of Josh Byrnes' skills as a GM. If you think Jeff Moorad is a cheapskate owner who bought the Padres on layaway, then of course you think having a Yes Man in the GM spot is a terrible idea. If you think that Jeff Moorad's Blueprint for turning the Padres into a contender is solid, then you'd be fine with Josh Byrnes as much as you were fine with Jed Hoyer. After all, Josh Byrnes/Jed Hoyer/Theo Epstein/Jason McLeod even Billy Beane/Paul DePodesta... These are all guys that came out of the same school of thought. These are the current crop of Smart GMs, so sticking with another one of these guys is perfectly fine for me. If you point to Josh Byrnes' tenure as the AZ GM and call it a failure, well you probably hated what Paul DePodesta did while he was the GM of the Dodgers (speaking as a baseball nerd and not a Dodger Hater). Byrnes got them to the NLCS in 2007 (on a team that seemed to enjoy getting blown out) and he set up their draft class for KT to exploit this season.
The Padres aren't getting compensation for losing Jed Hoyer
This is not yet proven and the latest reports are that we will be getting draft picks. If we don't get compensation, then I call shenanigans.
The Padres are losing Jason McLeod and Jed Hoyer, the guys who put together our amazing Minor League System
You're allowed to be pissed about this if you like watching Minor League Baseball. I don't pay attention to the minors regularly, because if I pay attention to the minors regularly, then I should be paying attention to high school and college baseball regularly and if I pay attention to that, then I need to be paying attention to little league and pony league regularly and I don't have time to be watching kids playing tee ball, wondering how the next ten years of their life will turn out and deciding based on that if I want to buy season tickets.
This also depends on who the Padres will decide takes over for Jason McLeod's duties. Other teams have won the World Series you know and those teams have front office people who are probably really smart. Look at Billy Beane. He found Paul DePodesta in a cubicle playing World of Warcraft. We too will find our curly haired fat dude, good with numbers.
The Padres are a Stepping Stone organization and this is yet another example of this
Yes. Be pissed about this. We are a stepping stone organization. We've gone through enough owners now that we should all realize that. Even when we have an owner willing to just drop a ton of his own money into the club (see John Moores late 90s), players and front office personnel still leave us for better opportunities. If you don't believe that we are a small to mid market for baseball, then ask yourself why we've had Cox Channel 4 for the last 10 years and the Yankees have YES. Point to the Seattle Mariners and ask yourself who the closest MLB club is to that team and wonder exactly how many people live in Washington and Oregon. Go to a game at Wrigley and wonder why people would sell out a ballpark that houses the Cubs and San Diego regularly turns out half that number.
The Padres are a stepping stone organization. We have every right to be pissed about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon and Mark Cuban is not going to come in and drop $100 million of his own money in payroll just to make you happy.
Yeah, the Padres sold us on Jed Hoyer and they seem to be letting him go without so much as a peep, but the MLB rules are that they actually aren't allowed to speak during the World Series, so all of yesterday's "no comment" and leaks are just a matter of protocol and it's tough to get worried about that. Padres PR is literally not allowed to talk so it's tough to blame them and Chicago is apparently much better at "accidentally" leaking information than we are, which is fine with me.
With our Front Office decimated, there's no where to go but down
Last I checked, the Cubs do not receive our minor league system along with Hoyer and McLeod. It's weird, but I guess those guys in San Antonio that murdered the league are still ours. Also, we came in last place last season. So, there's actually no where to go but up. We've already traded away our best player. Our former closer of the future is currently playing in the World Series for some other team. This was all done with our supposedly stocked front office so I'm not so much concerned about that.
I figure, I liked Kevin Towers and then I liked Jed Hoyer and I knew Kevin Towers as a GM a hell of a lot longer than I knew Jed Hoyer.
Some other thing I'm missing?
I'm pretty sure there are other reasons to be pissed, but that's all I can think of right now. So... Have at it. Be angry. Maybe we can get Mentor to write us some comments today. GET HIM ON THE PHONE.
In the end... 2012 is not lost because Jed Hoyer is gone. 2013 is probably still on pace with relatively small hiccup. Therefore... Go Padres (angrily).
[UPDATE] Just in case there's some 11th hour decisions:
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I don’t have time to be watching kids playing tee ball, wondering how the next ten years of their life will turn out and deciding based on that if I want to buy season tickets.
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
also
Im ANGRY to admit that Dex once again brings a voice of reason, and articulates many of the same thoughts I’ve been having. now if only my hair was curly….
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
Since when has Dex been articulate?
What does this word mean? Your use of a large word suggests (to me) that you are a spy for the Cubs!!! BURN HIM!!!!!!
This is about Khalil, isn't it?
queen of the rec fairies
although it broke our hearts it did not break our will the herd
We're all forgetting something very important here
There are job openings with the Padres that Dex and Jbox would be perfect for!
Don't hate the game, hate the nerds!
Also another reason to not be pissed
The guys in San Antonio weren’t Jed/McCleod products either. They were Towers era players. I’m not saying Jed and co weren’t going to do great things, but to be honest they haven’t been here long enough to make a huge impact one way or the other.
Well Wieland, Kelly, Erlin, and Gyorko are Hoyer/McLeod products
I think they had a pretty big impact on the farm system.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 21, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Also can someone explain the young girls playing guitars?
It’s weirding me out.
by athletics68 on Oct 21, 2011 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Saw it already
But didn’t make the connection. Probably because that was one of the few scenes I totally zoned out during. I wanted A’s baseball, not touching family moments :)
by athletics68 on Oct 21, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh I probably tuned it out during the truck driving scene too
Like I zone out my own radio in the car. My wife doesn’t understand why I drive with no radio on, but it’s because I really don’t give a shit and would rather listen to my own engine.
by athletics68 on Oct 21, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
MLB has strict debt ratio rules for MLB team ownership
yet allows Moorad to buy the team on layaway and McDick to buy the Dodgers on a credit card, but tells a billionaire with cash (Cuban) to take a hike because they don’t like his personality. MLB is run by morons who don’t seem to care that the average age of the World Series TV viewer is 55 and that a crappy Week 7 NFL game featuring an 0-5 team will have more viewers than this Sunday’s WS game.
Sorry for the tangent. I’m finding it hard to get pissed about anything that happens in MLB. Kind of seems pointless anymore.
Thank God for Aspergers.
Otherwise there wouldn’t be any young male baseball fans anymore.
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
by padmadfan on Oct 21, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
JED SUCKS (preemptive chant)
So, seriously, we need to start getting everyone on the same page about this chant… If leaves, we need this chant EVERY TIME he and/or the Cubs come to SD.
AND, we need enough ppl willing to travel to Chicago for away games to break out the chant there too.
How about
“Theo’s Puppet”?
“Run to daddy”?
or just
“Cubs lover”.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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The first two
They’d need a clap, clap, clap-clap-clap.
Like: The-Oh’s Puh-Pet. Clap. Clap. Clap-clap-clap
by Dex on Oct 21, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Works for me
And it’s not as worn out as a simple “sucks” chant.
by athletics68 on Oct 21, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh don't get me wrong
I love a good “sucks” chant particularly when it’s done spur of the moment when you don’t have much time to think of something else. But in this case we have 6 months to come up with something really good.
too complicated and we'll lose the audience...
and then there will just be a chorus of booooooos
by Zen Blade on Oct 21, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or my personal favorite
Jed is Dead. Jed is Dead.
~Chicks dig unhittable sliders and sick changeups.~
I am this ( ) close to walking away from basball all together
because of the Padres ownership. Year and year out we hear the same garbage, the same recycled crap that for some reason we keep buying into. Its always been a bait and switch scenario, and I’ve grown sick and tired of listening to owners saying that they cannot afford to pay quality players what they are worth, and instead they sign a bunch of hacks that are on their way out of the game, and they destroy the clubhouse chemistry one year after we saw one of the more competitive padres teams in quite sometime. I don’t watch the team because of the letters on the Front of the Uniform, I watch the team because I can develop an affinity to the players, to the hard fought victories. I enjoy watching the game, I enjoy watching my team play, I enjoy watching my favorite players play, but I cannot stand for it when a team, my team, which plays in the 8th largest city in the United states has owners who say that they cannot afford to keep marquee players; first off, shouldnt we have sold the team to an owner who could have afforded the Purchase? I mean, WTF? . I watch the team because of the letters on the back of the uniforms, I watch the game because of the players, I root for them, I recognize their names, I enjoy things familiar, I cheer for them, I weep for them. What I do not enjoy is an owner who wants to blow things up every other year, for that I will not weep any longer.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
by podpeople on Oct 21, 2011 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It's the 8th largest city
But the 26th largest media market, neighboring the 2nd largest media market, which already has two teams.
I’m not disagreeing with you completely, but San Diego is not “big” and it’s arguably even “mid-sized”.
by Dex on Oct 21, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I cancelled a comment that had a very similar point
It was just more bitchy and Wonko-ish.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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I'm sure that if
the rides sucked, there’d be at least one person who could make it seem like cinnamon and rainbows.
I'm sure half the rides would involve sucking...
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Nah
I don’t want people to get the impression they should just bail when their buddy calls them about something else they should do.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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...
You mean you’re trying to influence the buddy through your actions? I though he was your buddy “come what may”…
Jed Hoyer is not, nor was he ever, the Padres.
Hoyer was an employee of the Padres. So, if Wonko is a fan of the Padres “come what may”, and Hoyer is no longer affiliated with the Padres, Hoyer is no longer part of the group of buddies.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
Theo Epstein is my buddy?
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Drama will be first in line...
"Way to be all matchy, f________." - TTG's Awesome Friend
by Winfield's Ghost on Oct 23, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The market studies
Show that many smaller attendance market and media market teams — Cardinals, Rockies, Minnesota — still have significantly higher payrolls than the Padres. We’re still cheap, even after adjusting for that excuse.
by Marver on Oct 21, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But those places have long tail media markets
Denver, CO for example has a larger media market than San Diego, but they also broadcast Rockies games exclusive to Wyoming and the rest of Colorado, which includes Boulder, another top 100 media market. St. Louis broadcasts out to eight states. If Los Angeles and Anaheim didn’t exist, we could gain a bit on Southern California, but otherwise our broadcast rights extend east into El Centro.
I’m hoping that part of the new Fox deal includes rights to broadcast to other places, including Las Vegas, which we somehow lost.
No
This is including prospective media markets, including exactly what you allude to. Colorado actually ends up dead last, but here are BP’s figures:
Team – Attendance – Media
SDP – 4,197,822 – 7,340,168
STL – 3,134,013 – 9,082,314
MIN – 3,034,112 – 5,502,151
COL – 2,868,147 – 4,570,488
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6225
That's a study in trying to find out where people live that root for certain teams
For the actual money that a team is able to pull in from their media market, it’s easier to just to look directly at the media markets that teams broadcast into and San Diego is towards the bottom of the list: http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi
It’s one thing to claim that we have a significant number of Padres fans in Anaheim, but if they’re unable to watch the games on TV, then there’s no money to be made from them.
by Dex on Oct 21, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thats one aspect that worries me about the new tv contract
if its with Fox, will Yuma still get games? or will the fact that fox sports arizona is already in yuma prevent fox sports san diego or whatever from also being on here.
Scowling at Padres Losses since 1981
More than likely
Though there have been occasions where more than one FSN or CSN has been on in a particular area. The Bay Area for instance gets CSN Bay Area which is obviously the Bay Area’s home CSN plus they get CSN CA which is Sacramento’s CSN which also airs the A’s and Kings.
I certainly hope we get them
the mlb.tv doesnt let me watch games because im in the broadcast region (and was that way even before being able to see games on cable) so im f*cked out of watching them if no TV out here. Looks like its the Ted and Andy show for me. Or finding a job in San Diego
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by Nater Tater on Oct 21, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm in Richmond, VA....
We get MASN out here. They have a MASN and a MASN2. We get the Nationals and the Orioles. They go back and forth as to which of the channels they’re on.
vegas wasn't lost
though sharing it with 5 other teams (LAD, LAA, SF, OAK, ARI) makes it not that great.
by kevintheoman on Oct 21, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
boulder folks
don’t watch baseball. they say stuff like “did they make a score?” it’s demoralizing.
I've lived in and right outside of Boulder my entire life
That explanation hasn’t been true for about 10 years.
Twenty! Twenty!
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
by Friar Fever on Oct 21, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe so...
But I remember having to ask to put the series on one of the TVs in a sports bar in the early 2000s. Maybe the lazy dog?
I went to the University of Boulder
Bandwagon Rockies fans littered all over that place.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 21, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
university of boulder?
as a buff grad
when did that happen
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
You're a Buff grad too?
I graduated in 2008
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 21, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
yep
when did they change the name to
university of boulder?
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
They didn't haha
Mistype on my part.
When did you graduate? Pretty bad football game today.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 22, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
We obviously need to expand our media market into Mexico.
The alternative is the Pacific, the Angels’ OC and the Desert.
by recorddigger on Oct 21, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
what about
Hawaii
or Guam?
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
by Hormel on Oct 22, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Different strokes for different folks I guess
I don’t care who is wearing the uniform as long as it says Padres on the front and they win.
by athletics68 on Oct 21, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also...
I don’t think for a second that Moorad called Theo Epstein up and asked him to hire away Jed Hoyer so the idea that he “wants” to blow things up every year is suspect.
Agreed
And the idea that people are still mad about Adrian is just laughable. There was 0 chance we’d keep him, nor would I have wanted us to. Even with an SD discount the guy would have been making well over a third of our payroll a year. And as it is he’s making about half of our current payroll. No player is worth that much, not even Adrian.
by athletics68 on Oct 21, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Why be a fan of any team?
I don’t watch the team because of the letters on the Front of the Uniform
I watch the team because of the letters on the back of the uniforms
I just can’t wrap my head around this one. Why don’t you just watch who you like and save yourself the grief? You’re clearly not a fan of the San Diego Padres, you’re a fan of some players that may or may not be current members of the San Diego Padres.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Oct 21, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm a fan of the players who play for the Padres, not for the guys that own the team.
I don’t cheer for the padres’ Owner. Its the players who play the game, and the players who bust their asses.
if you take what I’m saying literally, then just ignore the post.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
Well, not all the players
I’m sure you don’t cheer for the “bunch of hacks that are on their way out of the game.”
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
I'm upset that Jed left before he finished the job.
I’m more angry at Moorad for letting him go so he could keep his friend, Byrnes.
But what i’m really pissed about is that we’re essentially Mark Walberg’s character in “The Fighter”: a stepping stone for other players to transition from becoming talented, under-the-radar players, to superstars playing for a big-time franchise, numerous appearances in the All-Star games, and a fat payday every year. I’m fucking sick of seeing really good Players like Adrian Gonzalez and Mike Adams leave and/or being traded because we don’t have the money to pay them what they’re worth. I’m tired of hearing the same song and dance about how we’re rebuilding for the future, and in a few years, we’re right back to square one because of draft picks that never played out or we have to give up big names because they want more money, or they’re not going to accept “the San Diego discount”. When does this cycle end?
"follow @radio2012, trust me, you will find his optimism, innocence, and honesty quite refreshing. as a jaded bastard, i sure do." justdave2103
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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 21, 2011 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Mike Adams?
You have a few guys like him in your pen already, no?
Ray Guilfoyle
www.faketeams.com
www.minorleagueball.com
www.mlbdailydish.com
by Ray Guilfoyle on Oct 21, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Mike had the stuff to potentially replace Bell, should he walk in the offseason.
"follow @radio2012, trust me, you will find his optimism, innocence, and honesty quite refreshing. as a jaded bastard, i sure do." justdave2103
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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 21, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
For one season. And then Adams would walk.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Really? You're still pissed about Adrian?
And let’s dispel this myth about really good players leaving. Okay, you get Adrian, but remember that Adrian still wouldn’t have stayed here even if we had an $80 million payroll, because he wanted a contract that only three or four teams in all of baseball could afford. Adams? Relievers are a dime a dozen, and we got two strong pitching prospects out of the deal. So let’s go back a couple years. Peavy? Injured as often as not. We dumped him after getting the best years of his career. Ditto for Greene. Who do you go to before Greene? Nevin? Another guy we dumped after his best years. So could someone please explain to me who all these stars are that we’ve traded because we can’t afford them? Because I only see one, and we never could have afforded him without looking like the Rangers picking up A-Rod.
by Darklighter on Oct 21, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 13 recs
Done deal.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.
It's green
That’s the color of the Koolaid y’all are drinking.
~Chicks dig unhittable sliders and sick changeups.~
A) The only color of Koolaid you'll ever catch me drinking is red.
B) Just because you like Mike doesn’t mean trading him was the wrong move.
by Darklighter on Oct 22, 2011 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
It doesnt mean it was the right one, either
The GM that made the trade is LEAVING.
Making whatever plans he had null and void.
Which makes me even more pissed.
We’re starting over AGAIN.
If the GM that made the trade was staying and we could
find out what he was planning in the near future, I might think differently.
But, he’s gone like a freight train.
~Chicks dig unhittable sliders and sick changeups.~
I think his plan was just to get two good SP prospects
For a reliever with a year and a half of control left.
Even if Mike pitches at his best all next year the deal is worth it. 2011 was already lost so the value of any wins from Mike in 2011 was negligible. Even if Mike pitches amazing next year he’s still doing it from the pen and not going to be worth more than 2 wins.
There’s probably greater than a 95% chance that Wieland and Erlin combined are worth more than 2 wins in their team controlled years. There’s a pretty good chance each of them is a mid rotation starter in which case the deal was a Maybin-esque steal.
The Adams trade was a very good one. The only Hoyer move I really disliked was holding onto Bell at the deadline last year.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 22, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, I'm sure Hoyer never talked with anybody else in the front office about his goals for the team.
And now Byrnes is going to be running around like a chicken with his head cut off, wondering just what exactly Hoyer’s plan was when he traded away a relief pitcher for two promising starting pitcher prospects.
by Darklighter on Oct 22, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
He may be gone, but I'm betting that 400 page report Jed wrote is still Padres IP.
They know what he was planning, and more importantly, his farm system plan has been implemented. We’re not so much starting over as hitting some turbulence. Yeah, it’ll be a rough ride for a while, but we’re still heading in the same direction.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
I really hope you guys made this green on account of the fact that red is the One True Koolaid.
by Darklighter on Oct 23, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Abomination is abominable.
"second base is the bizness." -jbox
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Please stop confusing us with all your facts.
by field39 on Oct 21, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, obvously i've gone wrong in my line of thinking.
Please feel free and tell me were I went wrong.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 21, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Being sarcastic.
"follow @radio2012, trust me, you will find his optimism, innocence, and honesty quite refreshing. as a jaded bastard, i sure do." justdave2103
http://twitter.com/#!/radio2012
by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 22, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I just want you to know Dex.
I will accept Josh Byrnes, cease being angry, and happily accept our new overlords. As soon as we have another winning season.
Padres Fan.
We need a Byrnes interview as soon as we can
to get a taste of his blood. This whole ordeal is on Jed more than Moorad.
If I pick it, I flick it
by Duke Street Kings on Oct 21, 2011 2:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Poor DePo.
He found Paul DePodesta in a cubicle playing World of Warcraft. We too will find our curly haired fat dude, good with numbers.
That movie was so unfair to him.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Oct 21, 2011 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Epstein just officially resigned in Boston
and is headed to Chicago. So it looks like the dominoes are finally falling and Hoyer will be out of here very soon.
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out
Is about all I can muster if he’s leaving to go be Theo’s bitch. I’ll take a guy who actually wants to be a GM over a guy who wants to be his buddy’s lapdog any day.
by athletics68 on Oct 21, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I don't understand
Why would Hoyer want to leave a position where he’s the man to take a position where at best he’s basically co-GM. Even if the Cubs have success people will say that Epstein turned the team around, not Hoyer.
I really believe he had the Padres on the brink of sustained success. In which case he would have been labeled as one of the best GM’s in the game. Hopefully Byrnes keeps the organization on the same course.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 21, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because Hoyer isn't THAT good
He probably figured he’d never get another opportunity to make it to the big time unless his buddy Theo was the one to invite him (and he was probably right).
by athletics68 on Oct 22, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
That could be true
Plus if he were leaving for some other big market club that wasn’t linked to his buddy Theo it would look like an even bigger dick move I guess.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 23, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I feel the opposite
If Hoyer were leaving to say Boston and was invited to the big time independent of being someone’s lapdog I’d actually be happy for him. He’d have earned his own call up. The way he’s going to Chicago makes it look like nothing but a buddy buddy thing where Hoyer prefers to work with his training wheels on…
Money.
Bolts from the Blue // "Go for the throat, Norval." - Jim Rome
Bloody Elbow // "I think we're poking fun at Leland's 'boner.'" - Michael Fagan
by Richard Wade on Oct 22, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he didn't like working for Moorad
On the very next play Venable soiled the sheets again
sooner or later
a 40 – 50 million payroll would get him fired, as it will Brynes, as it will anybody that cannot win with that amount.
Moorad's father like relationship with Byrnes
Tried to get 5 year extension and declined. You could argue that the writing was on the wall for young Jedidiah with Byrnes the GM in waiting; he wanted to start a family and all that. I mean even according to the ESPN report, Theo picked Josh over him and was denied. I don’t why people are so down on Byrnes – yes he f@# up a few times on trades (CarGo) and signings (Byrnes) and hiring Hinch as manager (as all GMs do and the last move seems Moorady) but clearly he rebuilt a small market team into a challenger with homegrown talent (the model that Moorad and Hoyer wanted to follow.)
Thoughts? "I have none. If there are any other developments, we will let you know." Charger GM - AJ Smith.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Oct 25, 2011 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Rewind two years.
I wish we had signed Kim Ng from the Dodgers instead of being suckers for Jed’s “effort” or whatever you wanna call that 400 page report was that he dropped on our front office’s desk during his interview. He was just another guy looking to get ahead.
If it was me, I’d never have let Towers go in the first place…
by ZaTrain on Oct 22, 2011 6:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It would be hilarious if it was really Josh Byrnes who was leaving...
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
It would surprise every news outlet in the country if that happened
All signs from every source indicate it’s Hoyer, not Byrnes
by athletics68 on Oct 22, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
After last year's train wreck
I’m excited to be heading in a new direction. I really don’t get the contingent that just bitches and moans about anything the Padres do. Dex has done an excellent job of explaining why San Diego will always be mired in low-to-mid market status.
If you can’t accept the fact that this team won’t ever spend in the upper half of MLB payroll, then find a new team. It’s really not that hard. Baseball isn’t a total democracy. It’s a stacked deck. Teams on the bottom have to operate more intelligently than those at the top. And big spending does not not equal success. Hell, here’s where the 8 post-season teams ranked in overall payroll.
- - NYY – $ 202,689,028
- - PHI – $ 172,976,379
- - DET – $ 105,700,231
- - STL – $ 105,433,572
- - TEX – $ 92,299,264
- - MIL – $ 85,497,333
- - ARI – $ 53,639,833
- - TB – $ 41,053,571
That’s a pretty even distribution of payroll rankings. Three in the upper third, three in the middle third, and two in the bottom third.
by PhantomPretender on Oct 22, 2011 9:51 AM PDT reply actions
Say what you will...
The GM of the Cubs is a better job than the GM of the Padres. I can’t fault the guy for leaving.
He has the chance to oversee the resurrection of two iconic organizations before the age of 40. That being said, I trusted him at the helm and wish he were still here.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Oct 22, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He's just trying to send animal kingdom a message
No more squirrel attacks will be tolerated.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 22, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Why can't we be more positive?
Yes, it feels like you got dumped but the hotter girl might have been sitting in our GM office the whole time. Byrnes turned down other teams and Theo to be with us and Moorad, they love each other man. Last time he signed him to an 8 year deal. They aren’t going anywhere, and Byrnes is clearly one of those smart young GMs in the Daniels, Beane, Epstein mold that mix sabermetrics with actual scouting experience. We should be happy: Ian Kennedy and Daniel Hudson anyone?
"I might be biased, but I think Josh is one of the brightest execs in the game," Oakland A’s GM Billy Beane said Friday afternoon. "He is bright and thoughtful with both the eye of a scout as a former player and the ability to analyze data. He’s bright and thoughtful. I think very strongly of him."
Thoughts? "I have none. If there are any other developments, we will let you know." Charger GM - AJ Smith.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Oct 25, 2011 5:17 AM PDT reply actions
Boycott Petco Stores
Petco is making a concerted effort to leave San Diego for Texas. If you are going to leave then maybe you should take your name off of San Diego’s baseball park. The Padre’s don’t need you, and this community doesn’t need you! In fact because of your leaving this community I think that people from San Diego should boycott your stores. In fact if you closed every one of them in this county it would make me happy. Good bye and get out!
But...
It’s where the pets go.
Why ask a failed romance to come watch your successful one? You know, that's like inviting the Seattle Mariners to a World Series game. It's just weird for everyone.

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