Padres defeat Cubs 9-5, Karsten Whitson decides to go to college or something
by Dex on Aug 17, 2010 5:53 AM PDT
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PrintSo the Padres beat the Cubs tonight, which puts the team at 70 wins so far this season. Seeing as many prognosticators were bold enough to predict the Padres would win about 70 wins this season, this is a hearty f_ck-you-your-prediction-software-sucks kind of win.
You know what's a bitch though is that Karsten Whitson didn't sign with the Padres. He was the ninth overall pick and apparently he wants to go back to school, which is dumb. School is for suckers, Karsten. If your career is baseball, then you should've signed with the Padres. You could've gone to school later, or not at all seeing as most people go to school to try to prepare themselves to make money as opposed to going to school because somebody offered you a poop ton of money based on no professional experience and the prediction that you would do well in the Major Leagues.
Well, predictions are for Sanchezes.
Truth be told, I had forgotten that Karsten was our first round pick until the Twitters were blowing up about it. Oh well.
Go Padres!
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I totes had this written last night
And I somehow forgot to push post. :(
by Dex on Aug 17, 2010 5:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'll never understand how a signing bonus that will pay for school
many times over is not enough to pursue your career. But I can’t say what it’s like to have $2 million in front of me. I might walk away too….not.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
That being said, I praise the guy for doing what he wants to do.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
This would hurt a lot more if the Padres weren't doing as well as we are
While I would have loved to sign Whitson, I’ll get over this quickly as we are in the midst of the BEST SEASON EVAR.
Jed will redeem himself in next year’s draft.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Aug 17, 2010 6:50 AM PDT reply actions
I know we drafted a couple other risky picks
Were we able to sign any of those?
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
According to the Rivals.com draft tracker
we signed the rest of our picks from the first ten rounds (Gyorko, Bisson, Noel, and a few other guys). Not sure about those in the later rounds.
The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Aug 17, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions
From Corey Brocks Twitter
Padres would have paid over slot ($1.9-$2 million) and maybe quite a bit over (my guess, $2.2 or higher) for Whitson.
Padres GM on not signing Whitson: “All conversations indicated that this would be a quick sign. In the end we were fairly far apart.”
Sucks that we didn't get Whitson
but at least we got the other guys. Is this the first High School pick that didn’t sign with us since Todd Helton?
Why didn’t Matt Bush just go to college too?
"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.
Well I hope the kid didn't follow bad advise.
Because with 2.2 Million, he could have put $200,000 away to finance is own college education, and tried to make things happen. If he gets injured in college on or off the field, he could be out the sort of security few people ever have the chance of taking.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
friend of mine
was drafted by the Tigers in the 5th round out of High School, offerred 900K to sign. Decided to go to USC, played 3 years there (not so good academically), came out picked in the 10th round by the Blue Jays singed for 80K, and never made it out of low-A ball.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
According to Keith Law
The Padres offered Whitson a little over what slot would be for the 9th pick in 2013 (when he can re-enter the draft)…. so unless he goes in the top 8 he just lost money by not siging.
not true
slot numbers trend upward on a yearly basis and most likely he expected to get an over slot deal the entire time.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
He was offered a significantly over slot deal by the Padres in 2010
that would have equated to a slightly over slot deal (based upon the upward trend over time) for what the number 9 slot would be in 2013.
I cannot help but think...
He is following a sweetheart or something.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
900K is more than a lot of first rounders got this year...
I doubt your friend was offered 900K as a 5th round pick 6+ years ago. Not saying your story isn’t true… just saying that I doubt it was that much money.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
you could be right, but
well, if you are right, then he is lying along with the Tigers, the UT, ESPN and USC press relations.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Metropoulos
Since this is the internet, i guess i am gong to have to see a link ..
If its Metropoulos, i’m doubting the salary too.
Metropoulos was a 16th round pick by Detroit. They don’t offer 16th round picks 900k. Not in 10 years ago anyways. And he went to the Blue Jays in the 9th, not the 10th.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/01draft/picks4.htm
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=metrop001jos
I couldn’t find any articles about him signing with an ESPN search, and their archives go back beyond 2000.
A google search of the UT doesn’t show anything about him signing either.
USC’s Bio doesn’t list any salaries …
Fight on!
552
does this make Whitson to San Diego
what JD Drew is to Philly
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by icaughthundleys#4 on Aug 17, 2010 7:23 AM PDT reply actions
I think the difference is that Whitson just wasn't ready to play pro ball...
whereas Drew just didn’t want to play for Philadelphia.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
12 stitches? That’s not much of a cut…
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by Richard Wade on Aug 17, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
figured
just trying to make the whole situation more fun from the fan aspect by creating a super villain
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by icaughthundleys#4 on Aug 17, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, do you guys remember
when Tejada and Ludwick were going to ruin our team by changing the style of play and killing our chemistry?
Fun times, right?
I think we can all agree
that we are just a lucky team, who catches a lucky breaks. Neither of those two BABIP are sustainable. The Padres will regress.
by thepadfather on Aug 17, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
We haven't taken any lumps!
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Dude, Karsten
College is so overrated. People will f**k you over and you’ll probably get herpes. And maybe you’ll blow your arm out or take a line drive off the noggin. If I had the kind of talent that kid has, there is no way in hell I’d be in college right now. Kids these days, I tell ya. Jeez.
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by Jordan_Ming on Aug 17, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The only thing cool about college is waking up hungover and seeing yourself on TFLN.
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I never quite understood the smiley face at the end.
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by TheThinGwynn on Aug 17, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
But you understood everything else?
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I understood that he was a fuctard.
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by TheThinGwynn on Aug 17, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It's just to ensure
there is no bad blood
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Good ol college memories? ;)
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by Jordan_Ming on Aug 17, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel ya
Try Monmouth, OR
Claims to fame: Former dry town, 1 Muchas Gracias, 1 stoplight, and a university no one has heard of.
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Muchas Gracias
has the best carne asada burrito in Oregon. Carne asada, pico de gallo, and guacamole. No beans, no rice.
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don't all carne asada burritos
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by kevintheoman on Aug 17, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
F*ckin' Denorfia
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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
Whitson
This doesn’t bother me that much. Next year’s draft is apparently deeper, and if the kid doesn’t want to play here then good luck to him. Besides, I’m so happy about Miggy an unsigned draft pick can’t bring me down.
Over the hill? What hill? I don't remember any hill...
Which San Diego Sports Columnist was it that said we would win only
69 games this season? Tim Sullivan? Bill Center? Who was that douche? I am striking out on the search.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I think you got the number wrong.
Geoff Young of Ducksnorts predicted 79 wins, not 69, and he’s already in deep remorse over that, wearing a hairshirt and everything. Even the Vegas oddsmakers predicted 70-72 wins, and the local columnists NEVER go against the Vegas oddsmakers.
by wegotballsley on Aug 17, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
My numbers are right.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Seemed like it was all of them
But most of the writers at the UT are hacks, so whatevah
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
It was me, I confess
I picked our beloved Padres to finish last and lose 100 games. My bad. I was wrong. This team is clutch, and I love it.
You suck. I only had the Padres losing 90 games.
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by Richard Wade on Aug 17, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
BELIEVE!
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by eastbaysd on Aug 17, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
im so hungover my hangover has a hangover
fml
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Ron Mexico can help you with that....
Ask him.
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by Mad_Villain on Aug 17, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
DePodesta breaks downt the why of Whitson...
http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/2010/08/day-after.html
I was dating this girl from Canada... after about a month I found out she didn't know what sport the Padres played, she thought "padre" was spelled p-o-d-r-a-y and she thought it was some kind of a fish. Dealbreaker.
Hoyer on 1090 just said that they had a verbal deal that Whitson backed out on.
They even bumped up the agreed upon deal twice but whitson wanted 4th or 5th pick money.
That being the case, it is best that Whiston is not in the organization.
Next time, I would prefer they find that out prior to the draft.
Hoyer says that they were blindsided by Whitson changing his demands.
So, that’s the point of them not knowing this before the draft.
Yup.
According to Hoyer they had a verbal agreement for $1.93 mil. It was pretty much a done deal. Everyone in the organization expected Whitson to be in San Diego with a signed contract about a week after the draft.
But it sounds like Whitson has a “go getter” agent who is trying to make a name for himself and somehow convinced Whitson that he’s worth much more than that. The FO bumped the offer up to $2.1 mil, but wouldn’t go higher than the pick before Whitson ($2.15 mil).
I don’t blame the FO. Who does this kid think he is? If you’re picked 9th, that makes you the 9th pick. You can’t then start talking about how you’re 4th or 5th pick material. If you were 4th or 5th pick caliber, you would have been picked 4th or 5th.
The FO had a choice of either letting this kid bend them over backward and make them look like the only idiots in the top ten who couldn’t sign their pick within their slot, or to just let him walk. They chose to let him walk, and I applaud that.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Corey Brock on Twitter
just reported that the Padres thought they had a pre-draft agreement with Whitson for a bonus of $1.953m (slot was $1.962m). I don’t understand why they thought a high school pitcher with leverage would sign an underslot deal. It’s not like Whitson was a huge reach either as Baseball America had him as the 7th best pitcher/15th overall (4th best HS pitcher). I’m guessing the Padres probably went slightly over slot ($2.5m max) which he understandably turned down. By the time Whitson is next eligible for the draft (2013) I’m assuming that there will be hard slotting so he’ll probably lose money unless he’s a top 3 pick. Certainly not a great sign for the Padres organization that a player would rather take less money to play for someone else. Also, this is a huge fiasco for the front office to take a player and have him bail out on a pre-draft agreement.
If you listen to what Hoyer said on the air today
and what DePo said in his blog, they essentially had a deal in place on draft day, and Whitson had told them leading up to the draft that he was eager to sign. Then apparently other people started talking to the kid and got him to change his mind and back out of the deal. In the end the team offered him over slot money, but he turned it down because he wanted to be paid like a top 5 pick.
I no longer blame the team. It sounds like they made good faith efforts to sign him, relied on his word, and were then blindsided when he suddenly changed his mind and dramatically increased his demands.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Aug 17, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it says anything about the organization.
And says everything about a tragic tale of a high school kid getting bad advice from an idiot agent.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
That.
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by TheThinGwynn on Aug 17, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Hoyer "We had a verbal agreement and usually those things stand up. We had the rug pulled out from us by the family. "
via twitter.com/marty1090
Usually those things stand up because you’re supposed to honor your word.
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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
"I’m guessing the Padres probably went slightly over slot ($2.5m max) which he understandably turned down."
What about this statement makes ANY sense at all?
Especially after Hoyer just said that Whitson wanted between 4th and 5th pick money,
which would be $2.65-2.75 million, and the Padres’ final offer was close to the 8th pick ($2.15 million).
Jesus Lopez
The only thing that pisses me off about this is that we increased our offer after we reached a verbal agreement.
F*ck him, his agent and his family.
Comparable pitchers to him
didn’t take anywhere close to slot. According to Baseball American he was the 7th best pitcher, 4th best high school pitcher. Those pitchers rated around him signed for $2.25m (52nd pick), $2.3m (18th), $2.0m (116), and Covey didn’t sign either. In 2009 comparable rated pitchers signed for $2.422m (5th pick), $3.3m (6th), $4.7m (9th), $3.9m (11th). Just by pick inflation from 2010 you would think that somewhere around $3m would have been a “fair” offer. We have no idea if Whitson was holding out for $5m or nothing, which I guess is possible.
I think the point is that the FO did their homework...
and got a feel for what it would take to sign the kid. The spoke extensively with the player, agent and family. They had a verbal agreement in place. And it wasn’t until AFTER he was drafted that the story began to change.
If he wanted that kind of money, fine. But his agent should have known and made it known that that’s what they were after.
Crappy agent. This will come back to bite him (Whitson) in the ass.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
My point is that there
was never any real reason for the Padres to expect him to sign an underslot deal. He was too good for that. No high school rated like he was signed an underslot deal. A decent comparison would be the Orioles pick of Matt Hobgood last season. He went 5th overall and took a slightly underslot bonus, but he was the 54th rated player, not the 15th. I totally understand trying to get someone for less money but how could you expect someone rated as highly as Whitson to sign for less?
The deal was already in place. He agreed to it. That's why they expected him to sign for that amount.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He can agree all he wants
but since he can’t sign the contract before he’s picked it’s essentially worthless. I’m not debating the idea that Padres were trying to save money with the pick (and with their history you can understand it) I’m just debating why they picked a highly regarded HS pitcher and expected him to sign for underslot. Realistically it was never going to happen.
It wasn't much underslot
And it was an agreement… if he wanted a crazy about over, he should have said so early. In the end he got an over slot offer and still turned it down.
Bad. Advice.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I agree with you that it's unusual and would have been a steal
and that comparable players all signed for much more. But maybe Whitson didn’t want to play hardball, wanted to pitch in Petco Park, wanted the prestige of being a top 10 pick, and wanted to get his career underway as quickly as possible. Verbal agreements on slot deals are made all the time.
If this was an instance of the Padres trying to fool an uninformed family with an agreement that fell apart as soon as the family got some competent professional advice, then sure, blame the Padres for it. But if the family had done their homework and made an informed decision, and the Padres had talked it out with them, and they had followed all the typical procedures as part of this process, then that’s on the family for breaking the deal.
So, in your opinion, what people say is worthless?
How else is a team supposed to evaluate “signability” before the draft if one’s word means nothing? Teams go out and talk to these kids and their families and agents specifically for the purpose of finding out how likely they are to sign and for how much. If their word is “essentially worthless”, then the whole draft is a crapshoot.
A verbal agreement certainly isn’t the same as a signed contract, but to agree to $1.953 and then demand over $2.5 after the draft is just bad business.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing is that realistically
he was worth more than $1.9m, at least in comparison to where he was rated pre-draft and where he was drafted. The Padres were going to give him less than he was worth (the slotting system is ridiculous and is just a way to underpay the draftee) and he realized he was worth more and you are blaming him? The Padres are spending $700k on Matt Stairs, are you saying that it’s unrealistic to expect them to come up with that much to pay a first round draft pick?
It wasn't before the draft
He verbally agreed to the terms on the day of the deadline and failed to do so much as pick up the phone to call the Padres and decline the offer before the deadline hit. That’s just cowardly.
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No it was the day of the draft.
The Padres bumped up their offer to $2.15 mil on the deadline and never heard back from him.
Ok
I misread that, but it doesn’t change their cowardice.
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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
Verbal Agreements are binding in most states
I know I would get my ass sued off if I didn’t honor a verbal agreement
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
How long until he beats up high school lacrosse players
And declares himself Karston “F_____g” Whitson?
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Tomorrow?
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by mrbarneydangles on Aug 17, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
i said it when we drafted him
his name makes him sound like someone who wears docksiders, pastel colored polos, and hits on my girlfriend. dislike button
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I was pissed at the Padres over this but I can see it's not their fault.
It sounds like Karsten was taking some real bad advice. One of the worst things you can do when your looking at a win is overplay your hand. Karsten had a chance to secure his future and decided to risk it all and let it ride. Hey Kars..you see Vegas lately? That place is built on people who let it ride. The risk you just took wasn’t nearly worth it. I got two words for you…Matt Harrington.
"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
He isn't eligible again until 2013... thats 3 years of potential injuries and...
reevaluation of talent. I feel bad for the kid. I could punch in the face whoever told him not to take the revised deal.
That said… I think we have $5 bonus case to sign Ludwick!
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
*5 million bonus cash
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
unless he drops out of FL and attends a juco
or plays independent ball
Which won’t happen.
Total crapshoot on his side.
"I post like canned meat."
5 dollar bonus
he should totally sign for that. i’ll throw in a big mac meal if he’s hungry.
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Man, the Harrington story made me really sad.
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by TheThinGwynn on Aug 17, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry. Not looking to bring you down.
But I think every kid who turns down life changing money should read that article first.
"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
Oh, no worries, I was aware of his story for some time. I agree with you.
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by TheThinGwynn on Aug 18, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, Karsten, all of us at GLB chipped in to buy you a "congratulations on choosing college" gift.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
LOL So rec'd
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Could have had this:
But chose this instead:
by elw89 on Aug 17, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Comes complete with
This:
Ad, we’re even going to throw in one of these:
*Disclaimer: Painted nails not included
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Reading between the lines on DePo's blog
post on this (http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/2010/08/day-after.html) it sounds like the Padres weren’t really too concerned if Whitson signed or not. He even makes a couple of “jokes” that with their history they are better off just saving the money. Certainly understandable.
by SchlomSD on Aug 17, 2010 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Reading the comments on DePo's blog
post on this (http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/2010/08/day-after.html) it sounds like you’re reading way too much into the “jokes” he made.
Not just the jokes but the
reply to Ben B in the comments. He brings up Hobgood (rated 54th, taken 5th), Mike Minor (34th/7th), Mike Leake (14th/8th), and Chad James (24th/18th). Hobgood signed for for $100k under slot, Minor and Leake about $200k more, and James $300k more than slot. Leake and James are similar to Whitson (although Leake as a college player didn’t have quite the leverage that Whitson had) and both signed for more than slot. How in the world could you expect Whitson to sign for under slot then when his exact comparable did not?
by SchlomSD on Aug 17, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the expectation came
from Whitson and his family saying “We’ll sign for that amount” on draft day.
"This is no ordinary honey!"
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by Zach (maestro876) on Aug 17, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not at all what Hoyer was saying on the radio.
Darren asked him the question about whether they might have drafted Whitson knowing that it might be difficult to sign him because we knew we could just use the pick next year in a better draft. Hoyer emphatically stated that they had every intention of signing Whitson and thought the deal was basically done. It sounds like it never even occurred to them that this might happen.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I did some research on HS pitchers
that were ranked by Baseball America similarly to Whitson over the past three years (2008-2010 as those are the years I have recommended slots amounts for). There were 6 in 2010 (ranked 2, 8, 12, 16, 29, 36), 8 in 2009 (5/8/10/11/12/24/26/26), and 7in 2008 (15/16/17/19/25/28). Of those 21 (not including Whitson or Covey since his medical situation makes him unique) 3 didn’t sign – Matt Purke last year (rated 10th, drafted 14th), Gerrit Cole (6/28), and Alex Meyer (25/622nd!) didn’t sign. Of the remaining 18, only Ethan Martin (ranked 15th, same as Whitson/drafted 16th) signed for underslot, $1.7m vs. $.73m. Taken together, the slot amount total for group was $21.24m and they were paid $44.15m, and increase overslot of about 108%. The smallest overslot bonus this season was given to Rockies pick Peter Tago (drafted 47th/ranked 36th) was 33%. That equates to a $2.61m bonus for Whitson. The next smallest equates to $3.1m and the other 4 pitchers had 100% of slot, 231%, 372% and 670%. In 2009, two pitchers took about 20% overslot, and then 41%, 61%, 109, 118, 140. In 2008, Martin took slightly underslot, the other three signed players took 126%, 148, and 314%.
So basically the Padres took Whitson hoping he was another Ethan Martin (who if you remember was suspended from his high school playoffs for intentionally beaning an umpire with a pitch). When that happened they offered 10% over slot while every other high school comparable pitcher signed for 20%. Does that sound like they had every intention on signing him?
by SchlomSD on Aug 17, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ThaI just want to point out
that arguing with this guy is completely pointless. This is the same guy who pretty much completely destroyed ducksnorts with his incessant kyle lohse obsession a few years ago. He won’t ever be pleased with padres ownership so there’s no point arguing with him. Once he gets an idea in his mind that he’s right about something and that the fo is wrong, it will be a never ending argument.
by Phantom on Aug 17, 2010 2:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you.
I was in the middle of crafting a long, detailed response. But I just deleted it and saved a bunch of my time thanks to you.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't understand
why everyone is taking ownerships side on this. It’s pretty damn obvious the Padres low-balled Whitson. Why shouldn’t the fans hold management up to a high standard? By the way, I was right on Kyle Lohse, right on not drafting Nick Schmidt, and right on not drafting Allan Dykstra. If I’m just some dumbass sitting at home on my computer, how am I right and the Padres wrong?
by SchlomSD on Aug 17, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You seem like a lot of fun.
Glad to have you here on GLB. I’m sure you’ll make friends very quickly.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Final thoughts
Here’s the thing about the draft, it’s pretty much the only way the Padres are going to get superstar talent. The 2004 draft debacle killed the Padres — to save a few million to draft Matt Bush over Jared Weaver the Padres cost themselves millions in playoff revenue, which led to the crappy 2008 and 2009 seasons and may lead to the loss of Adrian Gonzalez next season. Sure Whitson might be a bust (in fact with the Padres history it might even be probable). But it’s not like we are talking about a ton of money here — $600k to a $1m tops. Their margin for error is very small, if you are going to gamble $6m on Jon Garland, why not do the same on Karsten Whitson. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Yeah because drafting
Adrian gonzalez, heath bell, mike adams, luke greggerson, ryan ludwick…
Oh wait. We traded for those guys? How the hell did we ever acquire premium talent outside of a draft?
by Phantom on Aug 17, 2010 2:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Your eyes lie.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
How long can we keep that up though?
I just find it hard to believe that they can keep ripping other teams off in trades. Why be a bottom feeder if you don’ t have to be?
The game has many aspects. Drafting is just 1. I am split on the issue.
But its not as bad as it seems.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Bottom feeder?
We’ve won the division 2 out of the last 5 years and were an inning away from making the playoffs in another.
Bottom feeder in that
they take players that unwanted by their teams. It works sometimes but how often can we realistically expect to trade for a top 10 player?
You answered your own question.
if you are going to gamble $6m on Jon Garland, why not do the same on Karsten Whitson.
Because
It just doesn’t make any sense.
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Because Garland is a safer bet.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Garland was also a safer
bet than Mat Latos but who would you rather have? I don’t have any problem giving one year contracts to veteran pitchers trying to rebuild their value by going to Petco but isn’t it better to have a young controllable ace? It’s not like Garland is likely to be here next season so again they are going to have to gamble on another vet coming off a bad season.
Excellent point.
We should get more young, controllable aces. Jed, are you reading this?
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Your understanding of value and bases for comparisons seems skewed.
You repeatedly reference Baseball America (which is great and all), but the Padres have their own internal ranking system, so continuing to compare how draftees have fared based on their Baseball America ranking is futile in regards to the Padres’ ranking, and hence valuation of a player. As for your question about Garland/Latos, I’d rather have both, and thankfully we do have both. They each bring different things to the table and are at different stages in their careers, which only adds to the synergy that makes up a team.
Sure, value is subjective
of course, I just used Baseball America as it was easily available. I don’t really care about their rankings but a players bonus demands is on their perceived value and BA is probably the best judge of that. The Padres valued Whitson pretty highly as they took him 9th overall. And since HS pitchers drafted that highly without being perceived overdraft almost always sign for overslot, Whitson seemed like an unlikely pick if you wanted to give an underslot bonus.
The Padres run of success the past
7 seasons is unreal when you consider they haven’t had very high payrolls nor have they drafted very well. They have 3 homegrown batters (Hundley, Venable, Headley) and 4 homegrown pitchers (Latos, Leblanc, Stauffer and Frieri). Other bad drafting teams end up like the Royals or the Pirates unless they have high payrolls like the White Sox or Astros (and we see where they are at now). They are pretty much unique which makes we wonder how long they can keep this up. There is just so little margin for error – if one of their major league transactions doesn’t pan out they are screwed – if Garland was a bust Gonzalez might be gone already. Next year it will be the same, probably another starter plus an outfielder and a new middle infield.
by SchlomSD on Aug 17, 2010 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it raining where you are?
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention...
that we no longer have our “gunslinger” anymore.
Hoyer et. al have staked a lot of their reputation on their performance in the draft. So far we have only two first round data points:
1) Tate (signing bonus of 6.25 million)
2) Whitson (offered ~ 2.2 million, did not sign)
Kind of a mixed bag. Both prep stars. One they went for, the other they didn’t. I wish I knew what they saw in Whitson that made them back off.
Tate was also 3rd, not 9th.
I don’t know who he’s saying backed off Whitson. That wasn’t how it went.
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Your right
Sort of a hybrid pick… Fusion + new owners.
I am just using hoyer’s recount and from that it didn’t seem like they really wanted to sign him. They began with a low ball offer and then stuck to a fairly narrow dollar range, even though they knew that he was holding out for more. Not saying he was worth more, just seemed like a half hearted negotiation.
It was between the other team's offers
to their draftees for their respective slots. $2.05M and $2.1M are between the 10th @ $2.00M and 8th @ $2.15M.
It’s pretty simple, the kid got greedy and it cost him. If he wanted more money, he should have gotten drafted earlier.
I’m happy we didn’t sign him after the way his camp handled this; zero professional courtesy nets you zero dollars.
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we really need an ignore feature on GLB
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Nope but I'm trying to be realistic.
The idea is to set your team up for long-term success, not be on a boom or bust cycle like they have the past 4 seasons. The Padres are winning now but are 11th in the league attendance (and haven’t been in the top half since 2005). Remember, historically the Padres are one of the worst franchise is baseball history (2nd worst winning percentage all-time), do we want to go back to that?
Nope but I’m trying to be realistic.
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by Axion on Aug 17, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it impossible for you to reply to the thread you are chatting it.
Reading this without the proper replies is giveing me a headache.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
still no ignore button
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
why so many words?
wouldn’t it just be easier to find a blog community that agrees with you?
I was dating this girl from Canada... after about a month I found out she didn't know what sport the Padres played, she thought "padre" was spelled p-o-d-r-a-y and she thought it was some kind of a fish. Dealbreaker.
Yes, I didn't realize the audience here.
Personally I’m outraged that the Padres punted a first round pick but I guess the majority of fans aren’t. Sorry that I misjudged the audience here, I’ll never speak a word about Whitson again other than to say that the Padres already had one Whitson, why do they need another?
Be outraged, by all means
but the logical fallacies and false analogies you’re constructing to support this outrage are not convincing to anyone but you.
the Padres already had one Whitson, why do they need another?
I wouldn’t expect anyone to take you seriously with that kind of rhetoric.
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That was a joke!
Ed Whitson was actually pretty good for the Padres: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/whitsed01.shtml Plus he broke Billy Martin’s arm in a fight!
but Dex...
…so…
…many…
…words…
I welcome dissenting opinions, but I appreciate it if I can read the whole comment before my ADD changes the channel.
I was dating this girl from Canada... after about a month I found out she didn't know what sport the Padres played, she thought "padre" was spelled p-o-d-r-a-y and she thought it was some kind of a fish. Dealbreaker.
wait, so are fascists entitled to their opinions?
/JohnnyUT’d
…or something. I’m not really sure how this is supposed to work.
I was dating this girl from Canada... after about a month I found out she didn't know what sport the Padres played, she thought "padre" was spelled p-o-d-r-a-y and she thought it was some kind of a fish. Dealbreaker.
The funny thing about Whitson is that
he’s the best high school pitcher that the Padres have selected in the first round since Jimmy Jones in 1982.
short. succinct.
I actually read this one.
I was dating this girl from Canada... after about a month I found out she didn't know what sport the Padres played, she thought "padre" was spelled p-o-d-r-a-y and she thought it was some kind of a fish. Dealbreaker.
by Johnny UT on Aug 17, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Checked Karsten's FB account
Apparently he’s saying some crap about “doing what God wants”. But from the looks of it, it seems more like he’s afraid of being away from his short pudgy girlfriend. Yeah, I said it. F him.
"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman
Oh, good
Now I dislike him on a personal level, too.
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Who needs a bonus if your short, pudgy, GF
has a million dollar asssssssss.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Aug 18, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
From the UT
Moorad blames the agent and says the kid was crying…
"The kid was bawling his eyes out on the other end," says Moorad, himself a former high-powered agent. "Whitson got caught up in a dangerous game of chicken played by his agent. You get the feeling, with him bawling, he got taken, too. There’s a right way and a wrong way to do things, and it was not handled well on the player’s side. We feel were misled by the agent, and it’s something we won’t forget. Lesson learned.
"We had a draft-day commitment to sign the player at roughly $2 million. They stalled for two months and 15 minutes before the deadline upped it to $2.7 million. We said no. It’s the principal of the thing — and $600,000, to be truthful. I told Jed we were not going to play their game."
Seems also Jed might have gone for 2.7 but Moorad vetoed.
I like our guys even more for refusing to be jerked around by some loser agent.
Too bad, Karsten. Pass along your tale to the younger players so maybe then can avoid signing with dickwad agents.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Aug 17, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
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