When do we rest Latos?
by LetBurroughsPitch on Jul 5, 2010 6:15 PM PDT
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We all know that in the coming weeks Mat Latos will be shut down for a few starts. The only question however, is when?
Then after the All Star break, We have a three game series against the Diamondbacks in which we can use Garland, Richard, and Correia. Then we have that Monday off and can use LeBlanc and then restart the rotation until the Sunday game against the Pirates.
He could then start his next turn in the rotation which would be Saturday the 31 against the Marlins.
That was you give Latos four weeks off, with really only missing his turn in the rotation twice. And if we in fact do add in a new starting arm, we may be able to skip one or more starts depending on the consistency of Kevin and Wade.
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If they're gonna give him time off
it’ll be longer than 4 weeks. By my calculations, without skipping turns in the rotation, he’ll pitch the 8th @WSH, 17th vs. ARI, 23rd @PIT and 29th vs. LA. Shutting him down right before the trade deadline would be the best option if Hoyer is going to get an arm, or Stauffer returns. Shut Latos down the entire month of August and have him return starting with the Sept. 3 homestand vs. COL/LA/SF, when he’s needed.
You know a break is coming...
and I would honestly rather get it out of the way sooner rather than later so that he has time to regain his current form in time for that all important final month of the season. Hopefully Stauffer is ready to step in and fill Latos’ spot, or Hoyer has a new starter to bring in soon.
With Mat taking that time off we are going to need a little time to work him back in by either keeping him on a short leash or even bringing him back as the long man. I wonder if they are going to completely shut him down or if he will remain on some kind of a throwing program. I would guess the latter, and that should make it relatively easy for him to step back into the rotation.
I completely understand giving him a rest and I agree that it is the right thing to do, but hopefully it doesn’t throw him off the roll that he is on!
He spot started once or twice last year.
I still feel more confident in Burroughs pitching than Mujica
by LetBurroughsPitch on Jul 5, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
4 consecutive starts
at the end of the season
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So he can give up 4 hr's a start?
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Anyone else feel like giving him a break then bring him back...
is going to not only affect the team’s position in the standings, but do more harm than good for Latos’ health. I would feel a lot better about it however if the Padres have a 10 game lead by the end of August!
3 Questions:
1. How do you “shut down” a pitcher…and then start them up again? Don’t they get out of throwing condition or does he alternate every other start with Stauf?
B. If they shut down Mat for a month, what do they do with his playing status?
1B. It looks like there are some pretty good starters in San Antone – would the Pads bring one of them up?
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Simon Castro? I think Stauff would be a better option.
Anyone know Castro’s timetable for the big league squad? I can see him fighting for a rotation spot next spring training but not sure if he’ll get any action this season with the team contending.
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by mrbarneydangles on Jul 5, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It looks like the Missions have 3 or 4 good starters
They might be better than the washouts we have waiting in Portland
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The only problem with Castro is
The new regime is pretty down on players skipping levels from what I’ve heard. Believe me, there’s almost nothing more that I want to see than Castro up with the team this year, but I don’t know if it’s going to happen.
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That's not the only problem
Castro almost never goes more than 5 innings. He’s not really stretched out enough to carry a big league workload. He loses velocity at the end of each of his starts. It’s going to take a while before he’s on track to produce like a major leaguer. Plus, he’s not on the 40 man roster.
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I think you still have him do his normal throwing routine, minus the starts
Personally, I would say “shut him down” now and then start him back up sometime in August. We have a tough schedule in September, but our August is fairly weak.
I would think you start him back in August (1-2 starts), and then you have him pitch all of September against Rockiesx2, Giants, Cardinals, Reds, Dodgersx2 (we play all of them in September).
In August we play mostly sub .500 teams (Dbacksx3, Pirates, Brewers, Cubs)… so whoever fills in for Latos will have an easier time and when Latos is good to go again he can have a couple of (hopefully) easy starts.
I don’t think you change Latos’s status. I think you keep him up here and I don’t think we need to promote anyone—at least not in July. If we start to need another pitcher, then you “send” Latos to AAA for a week or something, but I probably wouldn’t even put him on a bus/plane (assuming he can just hang around without breaking some rule).
If he's not going to be playing and contributing to the team on the field,
you cannot have him on the active roster and taking up space.
there have been weeks when certain pitchers have been used
I remember a time when Thatcher (I think it was Thatcher) was used for ~10 days. It’s definitely doable. You can always send someone down if the pitching staff is suddenly taxed.
Yeah, I understand that.
But in this case, we know in advance that they are not going to use Latos for an extended period, whereas with the bullpen it is more based on circumstance. The bullpen is still available to pitch in theory, but Latos will not be. Those 25 spots are all really important, especially in the NL.
I think resting him for a whole month may hurt his momentum
He has been lights out for the last month or two and I think giving him extended rest would definitely hurt that momentum. I think skipping a start here and there may be a better way but I’m no expert. I just would hate to see Latos return after an extended break and start getting knocked around which would not only suck for him but the Padres W’s.
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by mrbarneydangles on Jul 5, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions
IF he really has to be rested,
… I actually like your plan quite a bit. I might bring him back against the Dodgers a bit sooner, depending on how things are at that point.
I know he’s 22 and that they’ve said they would shut him down for a while, but his pitch counts have been very reasonable…. I think maybe it’s a very good thing that he isn’t on the All-Star team (even though he deserves to be there) — and they should take advantage of that situation and help use it to rest him (if he truly has to be)….
The roster spot question is key. Can you send him down and then not pitch him in AAA?… That seems bogus; he’d even be taking up a roster spot there…. Another reason why some version of your proposal (i.e. resting him in July) makes sense.
Why “shut him down” completely?… Skipping a start here or there could be an option, and it would be less likely to throw off his momentum than sitting him for 3-4 weeks or a month; but it could still kill his momentum….
How about basically keeping him in the rotation, but only letting him go 5-6 innings per start?… If Stauffer’s effective, you could use them in tandem, using our late inning guys only when necessary…. Just an(other) idea….
Why not put Mat in the bulpen?
I thought the whole point of shutting him down was to limit his overall innings. Stauffer and Latos could swith places for most of june and all of august and that way his rhythm wouldn’t be affected the rest of the season. He could still get his work in, while significantly reducing his innings pitched. Then he would still be available to start in September (and hopefully well into October).
My understanding is that the pen is completely different than starting
the warm up is different
your schedule is erratic
you pitch differently
I don’t want to mess up the groove Mat is in…
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I say July wins are just as important as September wins.
Trade for a starting pitcher and use Latos every five days until he runs out of innings.
I think the September thing
Is just to make sure he’s not going into the playoffs cold. I reckon that October wins are more important than other wins and like you said, September wins are equal to July. So September wins.
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I agree with October wins
ALSO, our schedule is much more difficult in September than August… I think it is better to use Latos when playing above .500 teams than teams below .500.
Use him end august/sept/oct….
Maybe he doesn't actually "skip" games.
Black has already said he’s moving Mat to the back of the rotation after the All-Star break, so after today, he next pitches the 21st – 12 days off. Bud might do something like that a couple more times, and then limit Mat’s innings per start by bringing in Stauffer to finish, keeping Mat in his groove.
In August, the team has 17 road games out of 20. They start with 4 in LA, but then there’s 3 in AZ, 3 at home for the Pirates, 3 in SF, 4 at Wrigley, 3 in Milwaukee, then home against AZ again. There’s a lot of weak clubs in there where you can limit Mat’s innings. I’m sure Black and Balsley have a plan, we’re just not on their “need-to-know” list.
by wegotballsley on Jul 8, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
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