Still not convinced that Adrian Gonzalez really wants to play for the Padres long term
Adrian Gonzalez says he would be happy to stay in San Diego but I don't buy it.
"I’m just along for the ride. Honestly, it’s in God’s hands."
He takes no responsibility whatsoever. He does realize that he has a choice right? He thinks God is going to convince the Padres to quadruple his multi-million dollar contract? I think God has more pressing issues to deal with.
"Really, I’m in no hurry to leave. If the direction of the club and everything was right, I’d love to be here long-term."
I read it more like this "I'd love to play here in San Diego as long as the team competes for the World Championship every year, increases their payroll to $200 million, moves to Boston, its name to the Red Sox"
"One year doesn’t prove much. Let’s win regularly. If a guy is producing, sign him long term. Sign (Mat) Latos and (Clayton) Richard."
Why does one year of playing excellent baseball not instill confidence in the club's direction but a half season of pitching proves that two young pitchers such as Latos and Richard deserve long term contracts? The club is supposed to make a long term commitment when Adrian won't?
I'm still convinced that Adrian is looking for a huge contract and a move to one of ESPN's favorite teams, until then he won't truly be happy.
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Major League Baseball
is big business and unfortunately there are very few people who would love to play for their home town team, for their entire career, for pennies on the dollar. And that’s the reality of the situation and that’s why I can only score this franchise a “6” on the confidence scale. God bless and God speed to the World Series.
How is what he makes now even pennies on the dollar.
I would go ape poop bonkers if I made even a fraction of what professional athletes make. I don’t blame him for wanting to get as much as he can, but I wouldn’t call what he is and will make pennies on the dollar. Just hard for me to feel sorry for people that make so much for playing a game.
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by Padres_Hobo on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pennies on the dollar for their market valuation
If you’re a doctor, the $1600000 a pediatrician might make (this is just a speculative number from me) is pennies on the dollar compared to the salary specialists make (obviously they do different things but I hope my point comes across).
It’s a matter of relativity, and the rate is what it is. It’s moot to argue against it.
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by Allen J. Kha on Jul 21, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only because rich people
take wealth away from God.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Jul 21, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
i really wanna make a mormon comment here
but i dont wanna get in trouble. so just imagine what i would have said. trust me it was hilarious.
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if it wasn't about baseball
should the comment be on this blog in the first place???
Or should we just let God determine the content of this blog? Food for thought, my friends…
My comments are in God's hands now.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jul 21, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where is WG?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 21, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking it over...
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by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 21, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least
Adrian’s focusing on this season and winning games. Why can’t we save the trade talk for the offseason? No need to worry about where Adrian’s going to go later. Let’s just focus on holding onto our first place lead and winning now.
by unfinishedbusiness on Jul 21, 2010 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
Good job
parsing his words, though; he clearly has some ambivalence about the situation, but who can blame him? — “The Kipper” says it well in his first post above (although my confidence level’s about a 7.5 right now, speaking for myself); I understand the ‘6,’ especially because I think it may have been you who put that in comparison to an ‘8’ confidence rating in the Chargers. My apologies if that was someone else…. ;)
My confidence level in the Chargers has been between 7 and 9 for a few years now…. For the Pads since the last 3rd of last year has been between a 6 and an 8; it’s a fluid situation, and I know the confidence level thing is another post, but it relates to Adrian’s ambivalence: he sees the upward trending, is trying to stay focused, do everything he can to help his hometown team win, and he also knows it’s most likely he’s going to get WAY more money elsewhere.
The question is whether they’ll move him in the off-season, trade him in a year, or play out the string of his current contract; all that depends on how we finish this year, and, if he’s still around come next season, how the first half of next year goes.
I think sometime in the offseason
either Adrian or Blanks has to be traded. We can’t keep this “Blanks is an outfielder!” farce up for a whole new year. Either extend Adrian and trade Kyle, or trade Adrian and give Blanks the starting job at first.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 21, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Or you can just send Blanks to AAA
Although, I’m still cool with Blanks as a LF if he can hit again.
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I suspect
He’ll grow a new arm by next season.
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God told me
Blanks will recover and take over 1B next year
some people call that wishful thinking or schizophrenia
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As old as WG is,
I’d just attribute it to dementia.
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by TheThinGwynn on Jul 21, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think both sides have realized that a deal isn't going to get done.
The Padres aren’t going to give Adrian $100+ million. Adrian isn’t going to sign for less than $100 mil. There’s not a whole lot of mystery to it, in my eyes.
This is all about the blame game now. Adrian is going to make it sound like the Padres’ fault that he isn’t coming back — “They aren’t committed to building a winner.” “They aren’t willing to offer a fair contract.” While the Padres are going to point the finger at Adrian — “His contract demands are unreasonable.” etc.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jul 21, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions
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oh sorry, not Trevor talk anymore?
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by justdave on Jul 21, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do not understand
why it needs any spinning at all. What they do, or do not offer should remain between the two parties. In the end no one profits from a public pissing match.
That's assuming that the public rationally evaluates the results of the negotiation.
Which they do not. So by making a beloved player seem less sympathetic the ownership can lessen the fan impact when said player leaves. Of course it could, and often does, backfire. Baseball is an entertainment business, so public perception is important.
SHOULD it be this way, no.
Exactly.
The public perception is huge here. In terms of Adrian’s marketability and his legacy, it makes a big difference what people think about why he left. Same thing with the Padres organization. If the perception is that the Padres didn’t make any effort to sign their one superstar, that could have a serious impact on ticket sales in the future.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jul 21, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Way too whiny
Sorry jbox, but I think you seem a little too hurt by adrian’s comments. Do we really require an undying love of san diego of each of our players?
Right now, we have a all-star first baseman who is playing well for MLB chump change. He is enjoying his time here an is, by all accounts, getting along swimmingly with the other players. This is good.
We will see what happens next year. I don’t blame the ESPN/FOXSPORT’s of the world for stirring the pot, but we can’t let this ruin our good time. Go Padres!
Adrian would be so lucky if he got to play for Boston. It’s the mecca of the sports world.
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by John Gennaro on Jul 21, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Can I haha everything that is silly
Haha
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by Allen J. Kha on Jul 21, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I've noticed Adrian's attitude changes depending on the interviewer.
To out of towners, he talks up the team and city. To local outlets, the ambivalence shows up. I think the ambivalence comes from his doubts about the team’s ownership – it’s still in transition. If he’s been voting at gaslamp, his rating probably hasn’t budged from “5” all season.
He admits he took less money with his 4-year-plus-option contract for “stability”, but his pay has been way below his production. Including this year, he’s made $10.1 million in his career. This year’s salary, $4.775 million plus a $25k All Star bonus ($4.8 million total) is nearly half his total earnings, so he’s been grossly underpaid. It probably doesn’t look to him like the Padres ownership will ever make up for that.
I figure the Padres will make him an offer (short in years and dollars) after the season, and if he doesn’t take it, he’ll be traded. He probably figures that too.
AG agreed to that deal
The Padres offered him a fat increase, early, which he eagerly took.
Teixeira and Mauer have since sent contract prices to insane levels
and he’ll make out better in the long run. And by long run – I mean in the first year of his new contract.
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I was going to say something similar
But it really wasn’t that fat of an increase. His salary was ~380K and it went up to $500K in the first year (he also got a 500K signing bonus). His next year’s salary would probably have been a Super Two scenario and would have been at least $2 million, I’m guess. He got $700K. The next year he got $3M, he probably would have gotten maybe 6-8 in arbitration. And so on. Obviously, he didn’t know how good he would be (and those raises I’m theoretically giving him are performance-based), but he signed that contract after 2006 which was a damn good season.
I’m not saying you’re right or wrong, but I’ve been trying to put these fact into a context based on “did he or didn’t he accept less for stability” and I’m struggling to figure out why he took that deal. But, I just figured I’d put that out there.
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I thought he could have done better on that contract - but he went for it.
The extra cash allowed him to live comfortably and take care of his family immediately vs waiting.
However, now assuming AG’s value is 22.5 -
What is the SD discount on such a number?
And is there some kind of escalating contract that would work?
ie. 14, 16 , 18, 22, 25…
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I don't think there is a San Diego discount available
The price of his next contract is likely to be determined on:
A. What his agent demands it to be and the team signs him before free agency
B. How much the big market teams are willing to pay since they can afford bigger contracts than us
C. How much he can settle for if the big market teams aren’t interested.
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There always seems to be a SD discount
somewhere in the 10% to 25% range
But they have to a west coast, socal or sd guy
not like Fukudome
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And
An escalating contract is not good business for a small-mid market team. It is basically a ticking time bomb waiting to suck the life out of your team. And in the Padres case, 3-4 years down the road is when they are going to need extra money the most because some players who are young now will need to be paid more then.
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that's why you deal them midway thru their contract
like Jake.
it gives us a couple more years.
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by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 21, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I ignore them. It's not heartfelt. I know.
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by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 21, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
that is cynical
it must be heartfelt
they always touch their heart and point to the sky when they score
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blame baseball economics, not adrian
Or even the owners. They would love to sign him, but cannot. If you believe they lost $8m last year, as Moores has said, how can they?
Even if they win the WS, the economic base for the Padres is pretty constrained. Salaries are already correlated with market value at about .90. Some analysis I did:
http://stokes-analysis.blogspot.com/2010/02/mlb-payroll.html
That is market size, not some metric that factors in recent success. So even if we signed Adrian, won a WS or two, I doubt we would still be able to keep him. For small market teams, profits and competitiveness are not necessarily correlated, though I think they are for large market teams.
Especially with the small amount of revenue sharing we have, it may be profit maximizing over the intermediate run to field a cheap, mediocre/bad team than to field a competitive much more expensive team. Of course cheap and good is great, but that is what all the bottom 15 teams are trying to do, so not very easy to do and arguably impossible to sustain.
The question is -
will revenues rise enough to afford a max contract?
There is 1 more year left on the Cox TV deal. The economy will improve and attendance will grow. I have no doubt that MorFinkel will find new ways to squeeze revenue from the Padres.
That being said – if it is do-able, is he actually worth it? Probably not.
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Max contract
Are we signing LeBron James?
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Is he worth it? - Good question.
For a small-to-midmarket team, a superstar contract is too big a portion of the total payroll available. For a typical career slugger, the homer production drops off after 32 or so. In Adrian’s case, both have to be taken into account.
When they demand big bucks AND a long term, like Adrian’s rumored 8 years, only the big market teams can play that game. Adrian’s not a fleetfooted centerfielder or slick fielding shortstop – first basemen are easier to replace.
The only question is whether the Padres trade him in the offseason, or keep him for a bargain $5.8 million next year and let him walk after 2011, taking possible supplemental picks (which aren’t guaranteed).
by wegotballsley on Jul 21, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
slightly related topic
one problem with taking a “home town” discount is that surplus value goes to the club. so let’s say gonzalez decides, hey, i will take 30% less than i could get to stay in SD. but still being the biggest payroll item on the team, a few years later, we end up in a peavy situation. he has to be traded because the team’s prospects look bad and they need to fill too many holes. now he is even more valuable to the club because he is cheaper than he should be, so the club gets that excess value, not the player.
any one know the restrictions on allowing the player to get some of that excess value? for example, let’s say he would agree to a pay scale if he played in SD that was affordable to SD, but, if traded, his pay scale jumps to non-discounted amount, including the prior years lost value. this creates an incentive for the club to keep him. but if they do trade, he gets his money back. or at least a portion of it.
Giles had a clause in his last contract
That escalated certain things if he got traded. I know I read that for someone else too. However, I haven’t seen a case where is was complex enough to basically be a, let’s say, $80M contract for one team and a $100M contract for another.
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Also
I’m not sure it would sit well with an agent to outright admit that he took a lesser deal.
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he would have been directed by Adrian to do it
my guess is MLBPA would not like it. i remember with Texas and ARod, ARod made noise that he was open to restructuring his contract, but the MLBPA quickly said that was in violation of the CBA, even if initiated by the player.
so i am guessing they won’t like structures that explicitly give teams a discount
What you're referring to was A-Rod wanting to negotiate away
money already contracted for.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 21, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That's right
In our hypothetical Adrian situation the MLBPA would probably handle it like they handled Tony Gwynn’s contracts-for-less. A pushy phone call that Adrian could blow off.
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