Around the Mission: 7/20 Padres Links
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Braves built to last, Padres aren't - MLB News - FOX Sports on MSN
"It’s tempting to bill the series as a postseason preview. But the truth is that only one team is October-ready. The Braves will be there. The Padres won’t." -
Hacksaw Padres notes: Trade prospects and Braves NL showdown
"If there is a significant trade coming, expect the Padres to have to package a couple of the hottest names in their farm system." -
Unfinished Business: Doesn't Get Much Better Than This
"But then he saw her and said, "Hey, I was looking for you!" He made his way over, signing as he went, and asked who the three of us were. He shook each of our hands. IT WAS SOOOOOO COOL!!!! " -
Quick notes: Wily Mo, Miguel Tejada, and the Cliff Lee trade :: Friar Forecast
"Pena is your typical shot in the dark acquisition; low risk, (likely) low reward." -
PADRES: Pena signed to minor-league deal
His signing will provide the Beavers with a much-needed body. -
One Full Season and the Latos Conundrum – Ducksnorts
"In short, I like the idea of the idea, but I’m not sure how feasible its implementation would be in real life." -
Padres' Buddy system - SignOnSanDiego.com
"I told (Black) from Day One, ‘I’m not coming in here with someone in mind,’ " Hoyer said. "I told him, ‘We’re not playing out the string till we can hire someone else. I want this to work.’ " - XX Sports Radio: Tom Krasovic (MP3) and Ashley Eckstein (MP3)
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Re: Fox Sports article
In the second half, teams should be especially wary of Adrian Gonzalez and force Chase Headley to beat them.
Because they haven’t been already? Because teams are suddenly realizing Adrian is a good player, where they didn’t before?
Luke Gregerson, whose setup role becomes even more important with Adams out, may struggle to maintain his stuff because of how many sliders he throws.
Because it’s not like we don’t have bullpen depth, or that Gregerson has a clean history of health and effectiveness.
Even if the Padres play well, it will be difficult to get comfortable atop the NL West. Three teams — the Giants, Rockies and Dodgers, in that order — are within six games of the lead.
Even if the Padres Braves play well, it will be difficult to get comfortable atop the NL WestEast. ThreeTwo teams — the GiantsMets, Rockies and DodgersPhillies, in that order — are within six games of the lead.
"This is no ordinary honey!"
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 20, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And...
There is no such thing as a trifling pitching injury.
Apparently, Mat Latos has been Ruined FOREVER.
This guy has no idea what’s going on with the Padres.
The other stuff may or may not be good points
A four team race would be more difficult to come out on top of that a 3 team race, etc. But not being aware of the Latos “injury” is ridiculous.
I see his logic
He just went about it the wrong way. He wanted to compare the two teams and say the Braves were better. Instead of focusing entirely on the strengths of that argument (the Braves made moves to get better, the Braves are getting healthier, the Braves’ pitching is almost as good and their hitting is a lot better, etc.) then he went ahead and tried to make the Padres seem not-so-good to make his argument seem even better. In the process, he comes off looking rather ignorant.
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by John Gennaro on Jul 20, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I also find it funny (?) that he mentioned names like McLouth
While he’s a good player, he hasn’t shown that recently. It’s optimistic logic on one side, and really negative on ours.
jtb yl1
by Allen J. Kha on Jul 20, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep. It's not an invalid argument to say that the Braves are better poised for a playoff run.
But the support he used for his argument is atrocious. He argues that the Braves offense is much better than the Padres… but the park adjusted numbers suggest otherwise. The Pads and Braves both have an OPS+ of 100. The only stat he used to support his argument is runs scored. Yeah, the Braves have scored 20 more runs (which isn’t that big of a difference, especially when you consider park factors) but he never mentions the more relevant stat of run differential.
Also:
Clayton Richard (26), Wade LeBlanc (25) and Mat Latos (22) are a concern for the Padres because of their youth and inexperience.
Jair Jerrjens (24), Tommy Hanson (23), and Kris Medlin (24) are not a concern for the Braves… for some reason.
I might sign up for Twitter for the sole purpose of harassing this idiot.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jul 20, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Drama and I sent him some attacks
Ted, please join in
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by matthewverygood on Jul 20, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
What I got out of that article was
The Braves have young, unproven pitching that will be dominant and the Latos (and the rest of the staff) will suck becuase he has a fake injury.
Suck it Foxsports
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Do it, Donnie!
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by TheThinGwynn on Jul 20, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
One more reason
to really hate the Braves
by 5fingerGreenehandpunch on Jul 20, 2010 8:23 AM PDT reply actions
Re: Jon Paul Morosi
Bart: But, dad, you're giving in to mob mentality.
Homer: No, I'm not! I'm hopping on the bandwagon. Now, come on, son. Get with the winning team.
On a related note, can someone remind me how to do height tags again?
Bart: But, dad, you're giving in to mob mentality.
Homer: No, I'm not! I'm hopping on the bandwagon. Now, come on, son. Get with the winning team.
by Boilermaker19 on Jul 20, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Allen J. Kha on Jul 20, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember '98!
"This is no ordinary honey!"
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 20, 2010 8:26 AM PDT reply actions
Hacksaw has an interesting point regarding Oswalt
If we could renegotiate his contract a bit, maybe give him one more year, or change things a bit to reduce cost per year… he might be a great addition, even at the cost of a couple prospects.
Oswalt, Latos … as our 1/2… That’s pretty fracking ridiculous. And suddenly our 3/4 becomes Richard/Garland… We don’t offer Correia arbitration, we consider trading Bell in the offseason.. there are ways to do it if we really want.
Glad I don’t have to make the final decision.
Hacksaw suggested adding a big name to a local team, and even ignored that big name player’s own position/desires and assumed that the player would take less money to come play for the local team? YOU’RE KIDDING ME.
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by John Gennaro on Jul 20, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
not sure what desire you are referencing
The desire I know about is Oswalt wants to leave the Astros AND he wants to play for a contender AND… I assume he would love to pitch in Petco for a team with great defense.
I think he's referring
to Oswalt’s desire to get paid. Plus, I don’t think the player’s union allows guys to renegotiate money already contracted for upon trades. Reference the attempted A-Rod Manny trade.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 20, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
his position/desire = He’s a 32 year old power pitcher with a violent motion who is watching his buddy (Jake Peavy) fall apart. I don’t know that you’re really going to convince him to leave money on the table at this point. He knows his days are numbered and he needs to make every penny he can now.
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by John Gennaro on Jul 20, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention
His agent would do his damnedest to talk him out of reducing his salary. The players union would also do the same.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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Both a blessing in disguise and terrible
I always reference to the soccer transfer system when it comes to moments like these, because player contracts for an old team are torn up and redone when a player joins a new team (think Cristiano Ronaldo) and there are no rentals. Obviously the transfer system in soccer is different and has to be viable for a lot of autonomous leagues (and no binding CBAs), but I sometimes wish there was a similar concept in baseball, especially for Oswalt’s case (because the soccer system would force a new contract negotiation, whereas we have to assume his contract in baseball with negotiations initiated via free and good will).
jtb yl1
by Allen J. Kha on Jul 20, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
There are big reasons why baseball works different
First, is the unions. The unions are the ones making sure you can’t tear up an agreed to contract. It is not in the best interest of the union to allow players to move from a bad team to a better team. It is in their best interest to make sure everyone gets paid as much as possible. The system you pine for would be hurtful to the players’ pocketbooks.
The second reason is smaller market. There are tons and tons of soccer teams to play for and at least 4 different leagues that are equally as prestigious as major league baseball, plus other leagues that perhaps provide more national glory. This helps keep prices down and allows for players to move more freely. There is also a much larger talent base to work with. From my little exposure to the system it is quite easy to just sell certain player and easily replace most of his production by paying someone his old salary (or possibly less). In baseball, that would be much harder to accomplish most likely to the extent where the wealthiest teams would dominate even more than they already do. Right now the Yankees/Red Sox/Dodgers/etc. are punished when they sign a player that doesn’t perform to his contract. If they could tear up their bad contracts and eat only the sunk transfer fees they’d be far more competitive.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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I know there are big differences and I only reference it as a basic comparison
Obviously the transfer system in soccer is different and has to be viable for a lot of autonomous leagues (and no binding CBAs), but I sometimes wish there was a similar concept in baseball, especially for Oswalt’s case (because the soccer system would force a new contract negotiation, whereas we have to assume his contract in baseball with negotiations initiated via free and good will).
I absolutely understand what you’re saying, but you’re missing my point. I’m not arguing for its validity, but more moaning that I wish it at times would be the norm. I know that the world football scene is simply different. I’m well aware of how the football transfer system works and how players are contractually obligated solely through their clubs, but if you want to get to the nitty-gritty, you also have to consider academies, player development, youth contacts, the relative lack of free agency (because of player movement through the transfer system and clubs’ purposeful transfers of near-Bosman players [similar to the Adam Dunn situation and sandwich picks]).
Then you’d have to consider the basic and fundamental difference between trading players (baseball) and buying players (soccer) and the role of money in the player movement model (money is used to offset contracts in baseball with players as the main instruments of exchange, whereas money is used as the main instrument of exchange in soccer with players as complimentary pieces to offset valuation differences).
Baseball’s clearly different and the system works as is, but in this case, forced renegotiations would be beneficial in us potentially acquiring Oswalt. No need to instruct me on the soccer system, save the Wonking for my impending moments of stupidity.
jtb yl1
by Allen J. Kha on Jul 20, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, since we're just throwing sh!t at a wall,
I wish MLB was more like sandlot baseball and Roy Oswalt was just all like “Screw you, Johnny Astro. You can keep your candy. I’m gonna go play on their team for free because they’ll beat me up if I don’t.”
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by TheThinGwynn on Jul 20, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
zach, I thought I remember there being a case
where someone got an extension for more years (and more total money), but less money per year…
but that might have been a long time ago… and I might just be making that up.
perhaps we can add “incentives” like… if you throw 300 Innings in a year… :) you get $10 million more…
Even if that were possible
I wouldn’t do that for Oswalt. As John pointed out, he’s old and has a violent motion. The last thing the Padres want to do is commit themselves to a guy like that.
Combine that with the insane asking price Houston is throwing out there, and Oswalt isn’t going to San Diego or anywhere else this year.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Moorad has made it clear
That the Padres will not add incentives to contracts. You get paid what you get paid. That way you don’t have variable payrolls.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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Join in the fun!
Let’s also send pizzas to his house!
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by matthewverygood on Jul 20, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
Morosi
I’m happy to keep seeing this stuff. It’s fine with me. Perfectly comfortable staying off the radar as everyone waits for the collapse. Keep underestimating us, uninformed, lazy mofo journalists. I can live with that.
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by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 20, 2010 9:01 AM PDT reply actions
they could hire 3 of us here to collaborate on articles
pay us all a stipend, and we’d be better than that bum.
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It's just so lazy
I don’t care if you think the Braves are better – I can understand that postition – but at TDK says above, the logic is just ridiculous. And lazy.
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by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Braves have plenty of issues too
1. Jason Heyward has not been the same player since hurting his finger
2. They have an old roster that could break down in the heat of August
by lamesapadresfan on Jul 20, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions
3. They have only one starting pitcher with an ERA under 4 and he’s just coming off the DL.
4. They have the 2nd oldest pitching staff in the NL, including two starters who are 35 and 37.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jul 20, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Every day it seems like there's a new negative article in Around the Mission
Is it possible sports writers are trolling us for once?
Welcome to first place
other teams go through this all the time. It is not unique to the Padres
Besides it is FoxSports. Nobody takes them seriously. They use a tabloid approach.
I hope you all got as much enjoyment from last night's rox loss as I did
by lamesapadresfan on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions
Morosi's article should have been called
“Why the Padres will collapse: Part 47”.
Also, the Padres are the Rodney Dangerfield of baseball this year.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Jul 20, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions
These stories will continue,
until The San Diego Padres Win The World Series. At which point the new slant will be: The San Padres are the model for success, in the post steroids world.
The Morosi article mentions
that the Braves are looking within their division for a trading partner (Ross-FLA, Willingham-WSH).
What is the likelihood of Atlanta managing to make an intradivision trade? And how are they positioned to compete with the Padres in acquiring the likes of Ross, Willingham, and Hart?
Any word on what the asking prices for those three players are?
And is anyone else chuckling at the thought of possibly having Sneaky Pig and Obliging Pig in the same lineup?
Asking prices on those players
“Too much”, “A lot,” and “More than we can afford.”
"This is no ordinary honey!"
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 20, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
we don’t have much in the farm system, and in 2010 MLB teams are feeling the pinch financially. whereas in the past you’d probably see more deals involving salary relief, nobody has cash to throw around and I think that’s generally driving the (manpower) asking prices that much higher.
It's not that we don't have a lot in the farm system
it’s that we should be really reluctant to part with what we do have, especially for rental players.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That's kind of the same thing
We don’t have enough in the farm system that we can part with much of it and still keep it healthy. The Rays and Rangers can part with some of their top players and still be healthier down there than the Padres.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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I guess
I was just making the distinction between having nothing, and having something but being wary of trading it away.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 20, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn't say "nothing" he said "we don't have much"
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That's unfortunate.
I know you favor picking up starting rotation help, Zach.
Are arms going for cheaper than bats this season?
Any word on who the Padres are looking at now that Guthrie is out?
Any personal preference on your part?
Ted Lilly would be a good compromise.
There’s a lot to like about how he’d perform in San Diego, and what it would take to acquire him (not a whole lot).
Personally I kind of like Ricky Nolasco—a young pitcher who can miss bats and has good control. I have no idea what the Marlins would want for him, though.
"This is no ordinary honey!"
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps btts, but:
Joe Frisaro of MLB.com writes that the Marlins will consider trading Ricky Nolasco for the “right offer.”
Assuming teams like the Yankees were/are in the market and the nature of Jeffrey Loria, I’m sure Noalsco will require a king’s ransom
jtb yl1
by Allen J. Kha on Jul 20, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the Yankees would be interested in Nolasco
They have bigger and better targets for 2011 and beyond. I guess they could acquire him for a stretch run and trade him in the offseason though. It still seems unlikely. I think you’d be bidding against teams like the Mets, maybe White Sox and Cardinals.
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Yes, well-played
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by matthewverygood on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
In addition to The Pen-itentiary,
our outfield could be called ‘The Pigpen’.
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by TheThinGwynn on Jul 20, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Off-topic kind of
Anybody going to San Fran for the Giants series from 8/13-8/15? I’m very seriously considering going to the Saturday day game.
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by matthewverygood on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
I'm going to the Friday game
But flying to Chicago during the Saturday game.
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i live up in sf, so im there by default. Shall we have a glb ball?
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by podpeople on Jul 20, 2010 12:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ill be at all three games
making the trip so my girlfriend can see her friends and so I can see my team.
by thepadfather on Jul 20, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome, sounds like there's a good contingent
Let’s have our people call each others’ people and figure something out
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by matthewverygood on Jul 20, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
buy your tickets now. Im sure those games will be sellouts.
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by podpeople on Jul 20, 2010 1:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
In the age of StubHub!
Its not a big deal. But, I do have my tickets already.
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having taken that into consideration, there are only so many tickets to any given game, wonks.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
by podpeople on Jul 20, 2010 4:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is true
However, every game has a lot of people willing to sell their seats. Many season ticket holders buy their seats below cost so that they can sell them at cost as much as possible using StubHub as a facilitator. There is very rarely a baseball game (especially one involving the Padres) that can sell out to the point where you can no longer get these kind of tickets.
I would also suggest getting your tickets as early as you can, but it really doesn’t keep you from buying tickets at cost or just above cost near the day of the game. Even when there is a sellout.
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I'm going to the Saturday game.
Bruce Boachy Bobble head!
I still feel more confident in Burroughs pitching than Mujica
by LetBurroughsPitch on Jul 20, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Lineup (via Marty1090 Twitter)
J Hairston 6, Eckstein 4, Gonzalez 3, Headley 5, Hundley 2, S Hairston 7, Denorfia 9, Gwynn 8, LeBlanc 1
"I post like canned meat."
That's my thought as well
At least for a couple of days until Denorf comes back to earth, then Hairston can go back in.
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About the foxsports article...
I’m a braves fan and I even think that article was waay too slanted…I think both teams have a great chance to make the playoffs…I hear these sports writers talk about pitching and defense winning championships all of the time, yet for some reason, the team with the best ERA and a solid defense just doesn’t have a chance…That’s BS…This should be a great series…I can’t wait for the matchup on Thursday…Hudson vs. Richard should be outstanding.
It's interesting to compare the seasons of the two teams
The Pads are incredibly consistent: not too many long winning streaks, virtually no long losing streaks, just taking two out of three each and every time. While on the other hand, it seems like the Braves are either winning 9-of-10 or losing 6-of-7.
The Braves are the best home team in the NL, while the Padres are the best road team. It’s too bad our best starter is “injured,” but considering our worst just pitched the previous game, I think all three games could be well-fought. Personally, I’m looking at taking one out of three; anything above that is gravy.
You know how there's always that one kid in every class that you've ever been in that you just want to punch in the face?
I bet this Morosi character always has been and always will be that kid.
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by Jordan_Ming on Jul 20, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I was the kid for a lot of girls
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by matthewverygood on Jul 20, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I wanna punch him in the nuts though.
I need new pants.
by jodes0405 on Jul 20, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Go for it
Personally getting his nasty ass, padre hating, jack ass, mother f**king ball sweat on my hand wouldn’t be worth it to me.
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by Jordan_Ming on Jul 20, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ball sweat makes you come?
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by TheThinGwynn on Jul 20, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
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