Around the Mission: 7/2 Padres Links
by jbox on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 AM PDT
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Who's your Padre?: Padres will buy ... and potentially sell
"I don't feel like you're ever all set," Hoyer said. "I think we're looking on both sides [pitching and offense]." -
Add a bat? "I really don’t see a need," says Scott Hairston
"I think the team that we have now is in first place for a reason," Hairston said. "We’ve had timely hitting and our pitching has been great all year. I definitely think that we have the bats. There are a few guys that are starting to come on of late. "I really don’t see a need for [another bat], but obviously I don’t make those decisions so we’ll see what happens. "In the mean time, the 25 guys that we have now that’s our team, that’s our family. Team chemistry is great." -
Gallagher likely done in San Diego - SignOnSanDiego.com
"Those were the final nails in the coffin. I saw it coming. It became a numbers game. I was the odd man out." -
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Eckstein has the force -
Astros Trip Up Padres In Ten
"Luke couldn’t find his release point," said Padres manager Bud Black, "One of those rare outings." -
For the Padres and Blue Jays, winning isn't always the best thing - Tim Marchman - SI.com
"The slight shame of things for the club is that no matter how well they're playing, in the abstract the best move would probably be to trade Gonzalez, a free agent after the 2011 season. His value will never be higher than it is now, and if Hoyer is any kind of operator he could turn his rights into enough young talent to alter the trajectory of the franchise. "
Free passes cost Padres in 10-inning loss | padres.com: News
Luke Gregerson, who figures to be in the discussion for a spot on the National League All-Star team, allowed two runs in the 10th inning Thursday as the Astros captured the first game of a four-game series against the Padres, 6-3, at PETCO Park.
Unheralded 'pen sets tone for Padres | padres.com: News
Other than All-Star Heath Bell, there aren't any household names in the Padres' bullpen. However, no other facet of the team is more responsible for its rise to the top of the NL West.
S. Hairston ejected after strikeout in eighth | padres.com: News
Padres left fielder Scott Hairston was ejected in the eighth inning of Thursday's game against the Astros by home-plate umpire Ron Kulpa.
Stauffer, Stairs activated from Padres' DL | padres.com: News
The Padres reinstated pitcher Tim Stauffer and outfielder Matt Stairs on Thursday from the disabled list.
Gregerson’s wild 10th dooms Padres - SignOnSanDiego.com
"I couldn’t find the zone," said Gregerson, who had walked only four walks over 39 1/3 innings in his first 37 outings of the season. "That was pretty much it … I wasn’t getting through the ball on the slider or the fastball. Tomorrow’s another day."
PADRES: Astros win one in a walk-over
"I definitely wasn't getting through the ball at all, for that matter, on the slider or the fastball. That's probably why I was hanging them up to righties."
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Dear Tim Marchman,
Look, dude, I get it. You were not blessed with athletic talent or good looks as a child. You loved baseball, but were not very good at it. You knew, though, in your heart of hearts, that if you tried your best and played with heart, you’d succeed eventually. Disney had told you this, After-School Specials had told you this. Watching that Foghorn Leghorn cartoon, you just knew that someday you would be able to hit an improbable home run, lifting your team to victory, by calculating the velocity and trajectory of a 12-year-old’s slider. You envisioned yourself being carried off the diamond and into the waiting arms of the lovely (insert name of childhood crush here). But it never happened. You were forever relegated to the bench, but you continued to study and play with all your heart, and ended up with an intense knowledge of baseball and a collection of participant trophies.
You eventually abandoned the notion that heart and knowledge could produce baseball success, and instead immersed yourself into statistics. You already knew a lot about baseball, and now you would know more. You would be able to predict winners and losers because baseball was reality, and reality can be calculated. It is therefore impossible that the Padres are in first place right now. They just don’t have the statistical ability to be in first place right now. it does not compute. They must take an immediate nosedive, because that is the way it is supposed to be. Sorry to disappoint you, buddy. Baseball does not always follow statistics. It is one of the beauties of baseball that a team of nobodies can, in fact, have great success. Sorry you never got your Bad news Bears moment, Lupus.
P.S. If you’re into those dating sites, and I know you are, might I suggest that you not use your SI headshot? i found an image of you that I think portrays you better;
Ohhh! How come nothing is ever boobs or ice cream? - Homer Simpson
by Boilermaker19 on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Tim Marchman can kiss my ass
The guy is an idiot, and seems just about as ill informed as the rest of the baseball world which thinks baseball is non-existent outside of the Yankees and Red Sox. We are in a division that is up for grabs with 3 other teams that are also full of question marks. While I don’t expect us to make a push for the world series this year, I don’t think it is totally unplausible to think that we could win the division or contend for the wild card. He wrote that article as if he had a vendetta against the Padres…. what a weirdo.
"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman
Why No WS
Playoffs are a crap shoot. If the Padres starters are hot, bullpen dominant and one or two guys have a Eckstein type playoff (WS MVP), or Gary Templeton, then a team can win a WS.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
by Ron Mexico on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vendetta???
Sorry, but I didn’t see that at all.
I certainly don’t agree with all he wrote, but I don’t think there is anything outrageous or insulting in the piece either.
Most of what he discussed is the same things that get discussed here:
2010 Padres are a surprise
Should AG be traded or not?
Is this year gravy, or do we make a full run?
We have been winning despite having poor offense
For years, the complaint in San Diego has been that the Padres get ignored by media outlets. Now that they are having a good year, they are getting press. Sorry to break it to all of you, but every article is not going to say exactly what you want. But that doesn’t mean there is a vendetta. YEEESH!
I don’t see what the problem is.
What?
Just because some people within the MSM are now starting to pay attention doesn’t make it a surprise, especially looking at our record at the end of last season. Secondly, what do you mean, “Is this year gravy, or do we make a full run?” If you haven’t noticed, we’re 13 games over .500 nearing the All-Star break. If we manage to go into the break 10 games over .500 and end up not making the playoffs I for one will be pretty upset.
The prognostications and expectations of this team by outsiders don’t mean anything. Since spring training all we have heard from players and management is that they feel they have the pieces to win the division now and they fully expect to, so why don’t we?
And thirdly, aside from ‘08 and ’09, I think every Padre fan has been discussing how we win despite having a poor offense, since ’05. We’ve done this before. Pitching and defense are 2/3 of the game and Wins are wins. I think we’ve all accepted the fact that we are going to win with pitching and defense, and it’s not like it hasn’t been done by any other teams in the past. Again, just because the MSM is too stupid or ignorant to acknowledge it doesn’t mean we can’t do it.
I think most people are also upset at him saying that winning now could be detrimental to this team in the future, which is, for lack of a better word, bullshit. Nothing in baseball is guaranteed, and when you have a chance to win now, you take it. Trading Adrian isn’t a surefire way to build for the future. There’s always a solid chance we end up with the next Ben Grieve or Matt Bush in a deal like that.
Obviously, every article isn’t going to say what we want, but to say that winning now is going to hurt the team in the future? Terrible. Sorry if some of this seems like a personal attack. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but Marchman’s is idiotic. That is all.
I have read numerous comments on here
where people claim that this year is gravy, and they don’t want to forfeit the future by trading prospects. Sounds like a legit argument.
Not sure why it’s ok for it to be said on GLB, but if a different version of that argument is made in SI, then it is idiotic.
Personally I don’t want AG to be traded. I just find the outrage about the article to be way overblown.
I agree with those people that we shouldn't trade prospects but,
I’ll stand by my statement that it’s idiotic to think of this year as gravy, whether made by GLB commenters or writers. Look at the Rays from ‘08. They end up making a run to the World Series, and how many people do you think expected that? The next year they go out and don’t even make the playoffs. You have to get the job done when you are given the opportunity, and this year is our shot.
I heard a similar point made about the NY Jets
Young team, rookie coach, rookie QB, and they make it to the championship game.
THEY ARE TRYING TO REBUILD AND WIN IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Sometimes, one goal will compromise the other.
I don’t understand the outrage. Seems like a fair point even if we don’t agree with trading AG.
What a dick
this Marchman is!
Sorry if you can’t fathom how the Padres, a team that was supposed to be in the cellar of he N.L West as the Dodgers were supposed to have their 3rd straight Division title in the bag, is sitting at first place, and has been since the end of April. Its baseball. Surprises happen when we least expect them. Don’t believe me? Ask the Tampa Bay Rays.
"Since we only live once (that we know of) we should focus on enjoying our lives, not stressing to follow every single thing and trend that society impose upon us." - Thom Yorke of Radiohead
by Jonathan Holmes on Jul 2, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions
one day you’ll learn not to play with < and > s
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
Marchman's a jerk!
I didn’t read the article.
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
by John Gennaro on Jul 2, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You can't think the way Marchman does as an ardent fan of the Padres
but I guess the possibility exists that this first half was a bit of a fluke and thus the Pads delayed making moves that they needed to make for long term health but lets face it – 1/2 a season playing .582 ball (and more if you count the 37-25 ending to ‘09) —how can winning for this long a stretch be a bad thing ? Let’s shove this logic in Marchman’s face come September.
Padres 2010 Ole'
Cliff notes
1)Smart people like me predicted Padres would be bad (even though we ignore their great finish last year).
2) We assume AGon, would be traded to a big market team, so we can sell more of our failing magazine
3) Padres are in first place, I will cheryy pick some stats to show its impropable, even though run differential and 2nd order run differential has them with the best record in baseball.
4) Red Sox, Yankees…need to write about them in article not about them, contract rule
5) Jed, shouldn’t be a pussy, and just trade Agon now so I can write about Red Sox/Yankees and not have to deal with San Diego and their tasty Mojito’s they enjoy on the Gulf Coast.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
by Ron Mexico on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Marchman's thoughts
I think he’s saying a lot of the same stuff that we would’ve said about the last Astros team that made a run for the World Series. I forget the year now. Everybody could see that the team was old and that it would be in their best long run interest to gear up for the future, but instead they got a little older to try to take a shot at the WS and it haunted them for years.
The biggest difference between that (and the similar Giants team that last went toe the WS) is that our team already is geared for the future. We’re not here because we have a bunch of aging veterans giving a last gasp. The team is well under budget and younger than most teams AND it’s in first place.
Marchman may or may not be an idiot, but he’s confusing this Padres team for somebody else.
The same issue has been discussed on GLB
should the Padres keep building for the future, or do they make a run right now? Pointing out that a dilemna is created when you reach first place in the middle of a rebuilding process, is a fair point.
what you have to decide
Will the prospects they get for Agon be A LOT more than the two Draft picks they get for him? With the way teams value prospects, I think there could be a case to get 2 season of Agon, take the draft picks (or maybe get a good TV deal done and get to a $90M payroll), then trade him now for 3 prospects with value.
Now if you get 3 ‘sure thing prospects’ (I know they don’t exist, but onese people consider likely to be all-star MLB players in the future), and a few complimentary prospects then you pull the deal.
You don’t know what yo uare going to get with these prospects. Remember the trade that brought Agon here, the Main Pieces were CY and Adam Eaton
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
$90 million payroll
I want what your smoking.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
I think my point is that the future is here
We’ve gone through 2 years of rebuilding. Guys like Headley, Blanks, Venable, Gwynn, A-Go are the future.
And what I’m annoyed with is the way that Marchman somehow thinks this team will be damaged in future seasons if we continue to try to win this season. We’re not overpaying for anybody. All signs point to an increase in payroll in coming years. I don’t think getting back into the $40-$50 million range next season is out of the question and getting back up to $70 million in the year after that is also doable with a renegotiated TV deal and some more widespread marketing (as opposed to the grass roots, get to know you effort, which is great for establishing a base).
Marchman criticizing the Padres as if we’re an aging, overpriced team who is trying to win one last time and sacrificing the future. That’s not what the Padres are doing.
by Dex on Jul 2, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
As I said in the FanShot
I realized the guy had ZERO credibility and any idea of what was actually going on in San Diego and stopped reading here:
Their 186 losses over the past two years were enough to cost long-tenured and well-respected GM Kevin Towers his job …
"Los Angeles is like San Diego’s older, uglier sister that has herpes." -- Justin Halpern
We have always complained
that we don’t get enough press. Now the Padres are getting some recognition. But press coverage is not always going to say exactly what you want.
and we will complain about that
“Daddy, you don’t talk to me.”
“Fine, your grades suck, you need a haircut, and you should be getting a summer job”
“Dad is such a downer”
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
if it is so obvious
then why the outrage on here? Big deal, there is an article that we disagree with.
Is this what is going to happen every time a writer suggests a move that we don’t like?
No thanks
I would listen to talk radio if that’s the type of stuff I wanted to hear.
or even worse
leave comments on the SOSD site
Wow, I miss one day of Padres Baseball
Gallagher is DFA’d, Cunningham sent down, Stairs and Stauffer ontheir way back, and Hundley knocks himself out, literally.
"You know, I was thinking of getting my bartender's license." Alan -The Hangover
by icaughthundleys#4 on Jul 2, 2010 2:09 PM PDT reply actions
Friday night!
…and I have the house all to myself! I’m totally gonna watch the Padres and do laundry.
nekkid
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
by Ron Mexico on Jul 2, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll probably be wear my girlfriend's undies at some point
All depends on how much chardonnay I consume. Oh , I forgot to mention the chickens. We have four of them. This party’s gonna be craaaazy.
by The Kipper on Jul 2, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
wine and Four Chickens
I will bring the slip-n-slide
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Let the rhythm take you over.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Te quiero amor mio
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Marchman doesn't understand
that the beauty of a baseball season are the surprises. Does this guy really want a predictable season filled with the same damn big teams in the playoffs?! Good God man. Sure, we all know that baseball is big business, but there’s never ever anything wrong with a team winning, period! To say the contrary is simply condescending and flat-out disrespectful to the players and the fans. This is especially the case with this Padres club, who show more heart and class than any other team in the game. Hey Marchman- either start writing about something worthless like the NBA or just shut up. Thank you.
The bullpen will bounce back today
and be their usual epic selves.
I have no doubt about it.
"Savvy Chicks Dig the Bullpen"
It's true.
Luke’s loss was a fluke. I was surprised by it. his next outing, however, will be epic.
"You're like the nicest internet person I know." - theodore donald kerabatsos
I have?
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
I'm not necessarily angry or outraged
Just a little surprised. I wouild hope that someone who is paid to be informed on the matters he is writing on would be able to dig a little deeper than “Their 186 losses over the past two years were enough to cost long-tenured and well-respected GM Kevin Towers his job”. I would also hope that this guy remembers that baseball is a game where small and mid-market teams with holes have regularly won World Series Titles. He is free to think what he wants, and I could care less as to who thinks we are the real deal and who doesn’t (because I go back and forth like the worse fair-weathered fans that I always complain about in San Diego). I just think that it would serve him well to get his facts straight and to look at the realities of our division while making his assumption.
Otherwise, maybe he should find a different job and stick to the world of unpaid and amateur blog commenting like the rest of us.
"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman
It's a good reminder
that everything we read about the Cardinals, Yankees, etc, isn’t 100% accurate either.
Their fans have learned to handle it – I think we should too.
We'd probably handle it just as well as them...
If the media were kissing our rear ends 90% of the time as well
"Well, he ought to go home and find somebody else to bang." Jerry Coleman
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