GM Jed Hoyer on Kyle Blanks bobblehead night "That's not my department"
by jbox on Jun 9, 2010 3:44 PM PDT
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- Hoyer is pretty familiar with the first 25 guys drafted. He doesn't have a great feel for the last 25 rounds. It's the area scouts who are familiar with those guys.
- It was an unusual year and it wasn't a strong year for college position players. Everyone in the Padres draft room loved Karsten Whitson. Jason McLeod had a gut feeling about Whitson.
- It's impossible to predict when Whitson will be ready for the Major Leagues. It's a 3-5 year process to build up a High School player's arm to pitch 200 innings.
- They like to get High School pitchers into the system so that they can take care of their arms.
- Hoyer thinks that Stephen Strasburg lived up to the hype. Darren Smith thinks Avatar lived up to the hype.
- Edward Mujica's walk to strike out ratio is excellent but the amount of home runs that he's given up is a concern. "You can't be giving up home runs at that rate."
- Heath Bell has only had two 1-2-3 innings this season. The ninth inning is a different animal than the seventh or eighth. Bell's stuff is better now than it was last year. Hoyer thinks that closers are adrenaline junkies.
- Hoyer thinks Mike Adams, Luke Gregerson and Ryan Webb have closer potential.
- Kyle Blanks is a little rusty. Blanks is going to have to perform the way he did last year before they bring him back up with the Padres. Once he's ready to play the field he'll go back to Portland.
- Jed Hoyer isn't concerned that June 19th is Kyle Blanks bobblehead night. "That's not my department." Even the best of prospects struggle.
- Drew Cumberland and Luis Durango have lead off potential but neither are ready for the Major Leagues. Hoyer liked Buddy Black's line up last night. Eckstein has been solid about getting on base this year. He likes Chase Headley batting ahead of Adrian Gonzalez.
- Jed Hoyer is a Celtics fan.
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Hmm, Kyle Blanks in Portland
I might just have to make a quick trip up there.
"You're like the nicest internet person I know." - theodore donald kerabatsos
You enjoy seeing strikeouts?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 9, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't have a lot of faith in the Portland team anyway.
It would just be cool to see him play.
"You're like the nicest internet person I know." - theodore donald kerabatsos
Been nice knowing ya, Heath.
"Get your hopes up. That's what hopes are for by the way, to get up. You don't get your hopes down, you get your hopes up." -Jeffrey Tambor
See Jed knows that HR's are bad... why doesn't Wonko?
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I know they are bad
I just don’t think they are worse than giving up runs.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Or
At least not enough to go yelling about how terrible he is.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Its not worse than giving up straight up runs...
But its just as bad as giving up walks and hits… and is cause for righteous fury!!!
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Haha!
I win.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
How? I never said it was worse than giving up runs...
I said that his HR/9 is enough to make him a bad pitcher. And he is, and deserves our righteous fury. I think I win.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I said it wasn't worse than giving up other runs
And you proceeded to argue with me. Then you concede my point. I’m pretty satisfied with that.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Surrre...
Welcome to Fantasy Island, mate.
You said it wasn’t worse than giving up runs just now.
Your argument before was that he was a fine pitcher because his only draw back was HR/9… I said he is not MLB worthy because of his HR/9 rate. You proceeded to disagreed.
You argued that HR’s were fine if you do everything else right. I said it was just as bad and that our collective fury is justified. Jed agreed with me. You pivoted to save face.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
*disagree.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
This was your original arguement
He doesn’t give up a lot of hits or walks or runs and he gets a lot of strikeouts. He’s a solid middle reliever. I don’t even really have that big of a problem using him when he can give up a walkoff. 2.5 HR/9 means that if you leave him out there for 4 innings he’ll probably give up a bomb. Why is that any worse (and judging by the venom here, the perception is that it is worse) than sending out a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA who will likely will let the other team walkoff if he pitches 2 innings?
Now, obviously, nobody in the bullpen has this mythical 4.50 ERA, so there were other options at Bud’s disposal. But, why does that make us madder at Mujica than we have been at any numerous others that lost a game?
The answer is easy… if the mythical 4.5 ERA guy goes out there and gets in a jam, you can put in another reliever to get out of the jam. Mujica’s “Jam” is giving up the losing run. Game is over… so giving up a crap ton of home runs is worse then giving up a bunch of hits and BB’s.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
You're scenario there relies on the manager to take out the mythical guy
I would argue that the manager should have taken out Mujica after his one inning as well. Basically, you can’t rely on the manger to make the proper choice. Therefore the 4.50 mythical is just as bad. And you should blame the manager, not the pitcher. Mujica is what he is. He’s decently likely to get you through 1 inning without giving up walks, hits or runs. So, when he goes out for a second inning, why is everyone mad at him for giving up the bomb? They shouldn’t be any madder at him then they should be at mythical 4.50 ERA guy when he gives up his walkoff.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Your answer has a general fallacy.
It assumes that Mujica was less likely to give up the HR in the 10th. Theoretically he was just as likely to give up the HR in the 10th as he is the 11th. Its possible that his HR/9 goes up after the first 15 pitches or something, but I doubt it. I blame buddy as well.
You are right, I would hate the 4.5 ERA guy too… but a 4.5 ERA pitcher is skating on thin ice too. I am pissed at Mujica’s suck… just like I would be a 4.5 ERA guy. You can occasionally cover up the stink of a 4.5 era guy with a guy to get him out of a jam… Mujica just loses the game.
Mujica is what he is… and he should be himself in the Minor leagues, or a different team.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
So you're angry at Mujica basically because he plays for the Padres
Are you asking him to quit? Is it his fault he’s on the Padres? Is it his fault he was in the game? Why so mad at Mujica? I just don’t get why he is getting so much crap for this.
That’s all I’ve been saying. All the stats in the world aren’t going to help you explain that to me. People genuinely (for the internet) seemed angry at the guy and it doesn’t make all that much sense.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
This is a trick question.
I hate Edward Mujica the pitcher, not the person. I don’t generally hate people. I don’t hate Joe Torre, I hate Joe Torre the manager of the Dodgers. I don’t hate Matt Holliday, I hate the way his face makes me feel, and I hate the baseball player… but I don’t hate the person.
You may not see the difference, but there is a distinct one. I hate John Rocker the person AND the player.
I think Agon is a good person and player. I think Ty Cobb was a great player, and from what I have read, a shitty person. I hate Barry Bonds the player AND the person.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Fair enough
I still say the hatred towards Mujica the player was greater than the hatred I’ve seen against less effective pitchers that gave up less HRs.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
I have equal hate for all sorts of suck in a Padres Uniform.
Personally.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Also
I’ve been told that players are not like coins. So the fallacy you mentioned while true with real odds is true, but maybe not with players. If I have a guy like Mujica and I send him out figuring there’s about a 55% chance he doesn’t give up a run based on his HR rate, ERA, FIP, whatever, do I really think that I get the same odds if I send him back out again? Especially if I consider that he almost gave one up before, which probably means that his stuff is of the more homer prone variety. I’m thinking those odds aren’t as good.
Of course, in general the odds Mujica makes it through better than Webb or Thatcher don’t seem good either, but that’s not Mujica’s fault.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Well it was obviously an idiot call on Buddy's part as well.
I see some of Buddy’s logic… Citi Field is suppose to be Petco East, probably wanted to use Mujica and save his other relievers that are further taxed. Mujica seems to be a multi-inning guy at times… but to risk it in the high stakes situation they were in, is unacceptable.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
"You're like the nicest internet person I know." - theodore donald kerabatsos
by Jordan_Ming on Jun 9, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is your future.
;-)
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
The bobblehead cannot be Clayton...
He is batting right handed.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Jerry?
"Get your hopes up. That's what hopes are for by the way, to get up. You don't get your hopes down, you get your hopes up." -Jeffrey Tambor
Sure. lol.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Speaking of Clayton
Who’s going to his bobblehead night? And where do you live so I can come steal it from you the night after?
"You're like the nicest internet person I know." - theodore donald kerabatsos
Hmmm sounds like an invitation... Convincing reason to go.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I'm going this Saturday.
I’ve been wanting a scarf for about 3 years. Pretty much ever since I got one too many beanies. I need the scarf to go with the beanie, dammit.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
If I was going
I would commandeer and extra for you. I wish I lived in San Diego. Sad day.
"You're like the nicest internet person I know." - theodore donald kerabatsos
When is it?
"Get your hopes up. That's what hopes are for by the way, to get up. You don't get your hopes down, you get your hopes up." -Jeffrey Tambor
No idea.
August, I think?
"You're like the nicest internet person I know." - theodore donald kerabatsos
July 31 against the Marlins
The bobbleheads should make up for the trade of Adrian that day.
"Get your hopes up. That's what hopes are for by the way, to get up. You don't get your hopes down, you get your hopes up." -Jeffrey Tambor
I'll be at that game
And I’ll be getting a scarf on Saturday.
YOU ALL CAN’T HAVE MY STUFF.
(okay, I haven’t figured out why on earth I need bobbleheads, but I think I’ll end up with 4 out of the 5)
Same here!
Im getting a scarf on Saturday and the Clayton bobblehead.
And keeping him all to myslef.
"Savvy Chicks Dig the Bullpen"
They should have a Latos bobble head
and a Garfinkel bobble head too. Garfinkel’s bobble head can be eating breakfast or something.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
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