The David DeJesus Trade Market
David DeJesus sounds like a pretty good outfield fit if we don't have to give up too much for him, thoughts?
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Would be an upgrade over the current production we are getting from our corner outfielders.
Great defender in LF (18.9 career UZR/150). Seems to be a solid hitter, nothing flashy but solid (career .287/.359/.427). I doubt Jed goes for this one though. I recall Jed saying if they were going to upgrade with a trade it would be for a cheap player that they can keep under team control for a while. No one year rentals. He only has one year on his contract left and a $9.14m price tag remaining.
Suppose Jed does try to make a trade happen - for the sake of conversation
Who would we give up?
Someone at MLBTR just dropped this trade proposal
Royals get:
Luebke
Darnell/Foresythe
Cedric Hunter
Padres get:
DeJesus
I would definitely not pull the trigger on that one.
by polyrhythm07 on Jun 3, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
That may be a fair price
But I don’t imagine the Padres paying that price.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Hunter would be a nice piece.
4th outfielder, maybe.
Darnell or Foresythe, no way. those two guys have a year more before we see what they really got.
I don’t know much about Luebke, so I cant say much in that regard…
I really don’t see Hoyer trying to do too much unless he trades Bell.
Bell is the one guy that we could get a bunch from and not lose much. Gregerson is worth more than an inning every night. I’m pretty darn sure he could spot two; its almost a waste to only have him out there for one inning. Adams can be lights out, but will have his off nights. Bell will never be what he wants to be, the “lights-out” closer just for the simple fact he doesn’t have a real out pitch.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
I should mention:
taking away from the product that has got us this far into the season in first place, our pitching, may not be a good idea. However, it is the one thing we could give that we have much of.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
Bell has a K/9 of 12.00.
and an ERA of 1.13, despite being extremely unlucky on balls in play (.381). I’m not sure what “lights out” means to you.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jun 3, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
please.
I watch the games as well as you do. Bell is NOT “lights out”.
come on.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
I don't know what to say.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jun 4, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
just say this:
“In a game that displays both quantitative and qualitative aspects, it is unfair of me to expect stats to hold weight with those that understand these qualities of the game.”
and all will be forgiven.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
You're barking up the wrong tree
It is true that Bell has not been “lights out”, but the statistics point to the idea that that was a fluke. So, anyone who would think that we won’t be lights out in the future is really going against the grain on that one. \
I think that’s the better way to put it.
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Hey, I catch your drift.
but one must always consider all avenues before making proclamations utilizing statistics. which is why I I say this: it has been obvious to anyone who has been watching the games that he has been walking the tight rope in nearly every single game he’s pitched. to say otherwise would be naive.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
But
It would also be naive to say that he’s walking a tightrope purely because of his own doing. It’s obvious from his ability to strike players out and limit their extra base hits that they are not able to do much against him, but he’s been plagued with a lot of (how should I word this) bad contact base hits that have made his job tougher than it really should be. So while he’s walked a tight rope, it’s not due to any particular ability (or lack thereof) that he’s bringing on a day to day basis.
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Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
agreed.
all perspectives have their validity. but to pretend that one rules them all, thats getting into some serious Orwellian stuff ;)
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
So
The perspective that all perspectives are valid and there isn’t one that rules them all is really the perspective that rules them all, right?
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well, unless were talking shop on the echo system or something.
Gaia?
I feel that all information must be used to create a multidimensional landscape, something with more depth than pure statistics. if you drew me a picture I’d say, “hey, thats a mighty good picture, but what does the soil feel like beneath ones foot? what is the smell of the cedar trees in spring? could you calculate the rate of how the grass scintillates beneath the rays of the sun?”
the more information that is given allows for a more convincing argument.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
I understand the sentiment
However, at some point much of than non quantifiable stuff just becomes noise.
For example, if a guy breaks up with his girlfriend in the offseason I could make an argument that would affect his play that season or I could make an argument that it wouldn’t. Either way, I’m fairly confident I could look at his numbers and tell if he’s struggling. Maybe the girlfriend thing mattered, maybe it didn’t. If I care about the player as a person, I probably want to know such a thing, but if I’m evaluating his performance, unfortunately, it doesn’t matter.
If a pitcher looks like he’s have a tough go of it, but the numbers suggest a situation where even the best pitcher pitching at or near his best would also have a tough go of it then the looks of the situation are not really that helpful, no?
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don't get me wrong, Wonks, I like stats.
I also like looking at an individual players approach. How pitchers pitch to certain hitters. How a line-up, and the placement of the hitters in the line-up, affects the pitchers approach. Why it is that certain hitters “own” certain pitchers, and vice versa. slick fielding infielders, an outfielders jump, read, off deep drives into the gaps. when I’m at a game, watching each pitch, examining the hitters reaction time to each pitch, seeing the pitchers arm motion, its angle, the ball out of his hand, all of the sudden its the stats that start sounding like noise.
I just think its a bit arrogant to throw stats about as if they’re a path to salvation. I stand by my opinion.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
I'm just saying
That some of those thing we “like to watch” just end up as noise. Some, however, could be useful. But, its hard to understand which are which and the human brain isn’t equipped to do so better than quantitative measures, unfortunately.
I’m not dismissing anything you’re saying outright. I only offered that in this case with Bell the observations come out as noise since the numerical analysis is already taking it into account.
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I totally agree with such measures.
(without the “however”) It seems as if such “antiquities” of the game have been, if you will, “pushed aside” , and, without trying to sound biased—I continually find myself defending the qualitative arena of the game that I grew up playing, and feel that I know quite a bit about. I want to make known that there is far more to this game than stats. For instance, who would have thought that it would be VIctorino to hit that bomb off of Latos during last nights game?
Who would have known that Latos would give up a hit to the pitcher that would have led to that two run homer? stats do tell us something about players, but not how ballgames are won and lost.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
Royals need pitching
I would imagine it would take a big leauge pitcher and a legit prospect to get it done.
Royals get:
Stauffer
Inman
Padres get:
Dejesus
Unfortunately
I don’t know if Inman is a guy who Dayton Moore would like. Scouts don’t seem to like him because of his funky motion, but people who value strikeout rates and look at the results he gets seem to be more inclined to give him a chance. Dayton Moore thinks stats and results are for sissies.
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Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
It seemed to me
that the statement of “we will only trade for controllable players” means they won’t be making any major moves, because even teams that are out of it don’t trade young, cheap, talented players that they have locked up for a while.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jun 3, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
likewise.
I don’t see Hoyer doing much. the moves he has made have been great, calculated, ones.
"There are two great tragedies in life: One is not getting what one wants; the other is getting it."
"I like to consider the padres' team as a microcosm, or symbolic representation of my daily endeavor towards inner salvation." — Mysterious Cloaked Padre Fan
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