San Diego Padres Fan Confidence Poll: 6/1/2010
by Dex on Jun 1, 2010 9:43 AM PDT
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PrintAnd now we reach the point of the season where Padres fan's faith is shook to the bitter core... JUNE.
April doesn't count. First place at the end of April? It means nothing.
May doesn't really count either because we expect to do well in May. May means nothing either.
June doesn't even really count, but it counts just a little bit more than the first two months of the season.
The Padres are playing well, but everybody says it's an illusion and the way statistics work, illusions are meant to be broken.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
This is boilerplate:
The rules are simple. On a scale of 0 to 10, 0 being no confidence at all, 10 being absolute confidence, How confident are you in the San Diego Padres organization?
"Confidence" is just about anything you want to interpret it as. The front office, the future prospects, the play on the field, the park, etc etc etc.
Vote once with your heart of hearts. Vote twice with your cheating heart.
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by Dex on Jun 1, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, actually, no!
It was weird. He grew up in Germany, and then moved to Texas at 21, and then to Oregon. He likes to tell us this a lot. Maybe he was lying and trying to convince himself. Eh, whatever. I hated him, haha
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by matthewverygood on Jun 1, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
finally got to see the hitters step up and win
during a crappy start…bumped it from 7 to 8
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by icaughthundleys#4 on Jun 1, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
Going with 7 again.
This month’s schedule is going to be a huge test of this team. Here’s hoping they keep surprising everyone.
If the front office can pull off a decent trade or pickup by allstar break my confidence will rise. Otherwise I just see them riding this pleasant surprise till the wheels fall off.
Front Office:5
Play:9
7
How can you have a confidence rating of 9 for the play of the Padres
if you expect the “wheels [to] fall off” at some unspecified point in the future?
8 for now
Was a 7 last time. With the schedule we have coming up, if we finish out June with at least a winning record, I’ll bump it up to a 9.
vs NYM
@ PHI
@ NYM
vs TOR
@ TB
@ FLA
vs CO
You forgot vs. Seattle and Baltimore.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jun 1, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
on purpose
We also play Houston at the end of the month after Colorado. Those three teams aren’t exactly a true test of the Padres.
SEA is a true test
a test of heart. To see how they play against the hated rival mariners
by kevintheoman on Jun 1, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
by John Gennaro on Jun 1, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hated Mariners do not exist
like Santa Claus
monsters under my bed
and the 40 million dollar payroll
"I post like canned meat."
We need to put the hurt on CO as well
I hate those purple flunkies.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
so do wins against them count more against astros/O's
because at the end of the day, I hate the “true test” the goal is to win as many games as possible in 162 games.
Unless those games are played under different rules than the other games.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Wins against 'stros and O's don't count in the standings... sort of like Spring Training
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Hmmm... let's see
Although those Nationals games had me a little nervous
Ohhh! How come nothing is ever boobs or ice cream? - Homer Simpson
Jed
He thinks we have used up all our runs and hits for the year.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I've been voting 6
from the start but I voted 7 now. I’m confident that this team will remain exciting to watch (and hopefully competitive). Plus; all the stories about good experiences at the ballpark lead me to believe that the FO is seriously committed to this team and its fans. It also makes me want to go to Petco Park again badly, sucks for me that there is a lot of water and a huge country in between my hometown and San Diego
by sixpakfrombelgium on Jun 1, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
7
still need a bit more offense ( I realize that sounds stupid after last night)
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM PDT reply actions
I am still at an 8
The east coast road trip and our games against the Jays and Rays will be good games. If we don’t crush the O’s and the HATED FILTHY Mariners I will be horribly pissed off.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I couldn't remember if I voted 8 or 9 last time
so I went with 9 just to be sure (my confidence never wavers; I just switch back and forth between the two so it’ll average out to 8.5).
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by TheThinGwynn on Jun 1, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
8
Gaslamp Ball Game OT: "Makes you happy in the pants"
MLB Network: "Keep believing!"
Heat: "Uhh, no. We know."
Moved from 7 to 8
We’re holding together despite some starters struggling, we are getting healthy and if the offense can get just a smidgen better…
I am a little worried about low attendance figures this year hurting next year’s payroll when a number of players (Bell, Hairston, Adams, Mujica, Gwynn, Stauffer) will earn raises, we might want Garland or Correia back and we’ll be looking to upgrade the offense. The minors aren’t going to provide much 2011 either at the rate some of the AA and AAA guys are going.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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by Wonko on Jun 1, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I honestly see this getting better in the next couple months
If we start winning more… we are approaching true Summer… If the Padres are still in 1st at the All-star break we will have more national attention brought to the team.
What we need is a blockbuster movie that talks about a couple who’s relationship is tested by a love of the Padres… we could call it “Surfer Pitch” it could star Ashton Kurtcher and… Jennifer Aniston.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
i was just thinking about this yesterday
wondering what a padres-based movie would be like. and all i could come up with was some surfer ballplayer like flan.
I'd like for it to be like Major League.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
If only the former Mrs. John Moores got control of the team, this could’ve happened.
"When they come for me I'll be sitting at my desk, with a gun in my hand wearing a bullet-proof vest, singing 'My, my, my, how the time does fly when you know you're going to die by the end of the night.'" - Catch 22
by John Gennaro on Jun 1, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
and she was a former showgirl.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
6
We’ve seen a few injuries during may… actually, quite a few injuries/personal issues, and yet… still 2 games up.
That means our call ups have performed “adequately”. I’ve been happy with how Denorfia has performed. 40 ABs and hitting over .300. I don’t care what type of illusion that is, that helps this team. I think he is technically our most potent weapon in the outfield (since Shrek has been MIA).
Also, can I just say that it is great to have a catcher position that is batting (combined):
~.290 / .370 / .425 (BA/OBP/SLG)
Yes, we don’t care about BA, but honestly, we need someone to hit the ball out of the infield if we want to score more than 2 runs per game (other than Adrian and Eck).
Once Shrek is back, an outfield of Shrek/Denorfia/Gwynn/Venable does not look too bad (not great either, but good enough).
Also, have we stopped stealing bases… or slowed down?
I care about average... particularly in RISP situations.
Closest we have to measuring clutch!
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Problem is
The more a hitter hits with RISP, the more his batting average with RISP starts to look like his career average.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
by Wonko on Jun 1, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This may be true...
But there are things about baseball that are unobservable. Particularly with how some players deal with stress and pressure. A hit is a hit, and it is recorded as average… and I want a guy who can hit on the team…
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I think the noise with the clutch hitting becomes a problem
Because the situation is “clutch” for everyone. So, how the fielder going after the ball reacts, adjusts, moves, etc. is affected by the clutch situation. The catcher calling the pitch or setting up is affected by it. The umpires are affected by it. The pitcher is affected by it. How the wind reacts… oh wait, no not that. Anyway, all those things end up changing the entire situation.
Did the player get a hit because he was better in the clutch or because one or more of the defenders was bad in the clutch? What if the hitter got “lucky” because he kept coming through in the clutch in situations where the defenders were bad in the clutch? How can I tell him apart from the guy that came through on his own? How can I tell if the defenders are clutch? And then you combine that with random events like bats breaking or wind gusts or whatever and you just add to the noise in what becomes a relatively small sample size.
So, while I’m with you and I want guys that come through in the clutch, there’s not really any measurement that’s “close” to measuring clutch.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
I am just saying that it is as close as we get
While there is a lot of noise… it is noise in every situation. In otherwords “clutch” or RISP situations are always just that except the difference between mattering and not… i.e. tied or a blow out man on 2nd. Regardless I want guys who can hit the damn ball.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
And I'm just saying that it's not any closer than anything else.
And I too want guys that can hit the damn ball.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
7
We keep winning series which is the key. Yesterday’s romping was very nice however I really want another win today.
As long we we keep winning 2 out of 3, we will be good to go. I’m interested to see how we fare against Philly. I think one of the pitching matchups is Halladay-Latos, should be a good one.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jun 1, 2010 12:10 PM PDT reply actions
I'm wondering
If that Halladay-Latos matchup is not meant to be. That’s the next opportunity to skip Latos’ turn and help save some innings in case we need him at the end of the season. A Garland-Halladay matchup wouldn’t be so bad.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Yup... Jed recognizes that games in September
mean more than games in April, May, or June.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
That would be post-season... but yes... that too
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I remember hearing about possibly skiping Latos' starts when the schedule allows
but has anyone from the Padres said so or is it just speculation on our part? I forget.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jun 1, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Jed said so last week
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by matthewverygood on Jun 1, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Holding steady at 9
I’m worried that yesterdays hit parade will mean the Pads will suck it up for a few days, but the fact that a conversation above is in German made my day, so I voted 9.
Bats can stay hot... just need 1 person to spark the love.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
But it takes two to tango
most of the time. Just remember, no means no. I don’t want to hear about you going to jail or anything ;)
Well... while my shameless flirting may have deserved that response.
What I was trying to say is that this team often displays contagious hitting… so if, during tonights game one guy can get it started… others will join… consensually of course.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
I think Chase has, in the past, taken things to far
and perhaps violated others without their consent.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
That was back when Chase was carrying the offense with his
.358 average.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Man is a beast.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
consensual hitting
im going to find a way to work that in to OTs from now on. thank you for adding to my arsenal
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Really?
Well that’s good. But I have come to the conclusion that wiki text is also confusing to me, but not as much as HTML. No laughing at me if I screw this up!
I voted 6 this time
why, because everyone tells me those games don’t count.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
They don't.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
only two of those games counted
The two that put us two up in the standings. You could throw the rest away.
by Dex on Jun 1, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure about that?
It seems to be that only one of those games should count. The other one is just for looks.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
as did I
but I base my ranking on how confident I am going into a given game that the Padres will win. I’m still not that confident that the Padres can win any game.
by LJbumfool on Jun 1, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, we have an advantage this month in interleague play over our NL West rivals
Padres – 3 vs. Sea, 3 vs. Tor, 3 vs. Bal, 3 @ TB
All but the series at TB are at Petco
As for the rest of the NL West:
Dodgers – 3 @ BoSox, 3 @ Laa, 3 vs Yankees
Giants – 3 vs. Oak, 3 vs. Bal, 3 @ Tor, 3 vs. BoSox
Rockies – 3 vs. Tor, 3 @ Min, 3 vs. BoSox, 3 @ Laa
And finally, because the Dbacks don’t have enough suck already
Dbacks – 3 @ BoSox, 3 @ Det, 3 vs. Yankees, 3 @ TB – LOL
OH MY!
if there was a way for Fenway to “disappear” for the Dodger/BoSox series on Mirrabellig/Schilling appreciation day, that would be…..beyond words.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
by Ron Mexico on Jun 1, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could a black hole be created
due to an extremely high density of d-bags in one area?
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Seriously... I project some sort of temporal vortex of douchebaggery
To swallow up the entire greater New England area.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
if that were possible
the Jersey Shore would have sunk into the Atlantic decades ago
by LJbumfool on Jun 1, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Why can I not find a picture of the Ben Davis bunt
on the Intertubes?
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
If you start purchasing... let me know so I can buy stock.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
Up from 7 to 8
Positives:
- We keep winning series.
- Jon Garland is off to his best start in is career (6-2, with a 2.15 ERA, and an OBA of .232), while Mat Latos and Clayton Richard continue to mature as starting pitchers.
- San Diego has something we haven’t had in a long time: catchers who can throw our baserunners and hit worth a damn! The one-two combo of Nick Hundley and Yorvit Torreaba have a combined average of .282.
- The bullpen is still lights out, unlike a certain linebacker who hasn’t lived up to his nickname in a while.
Negatives:
- Kevin Correia continues to break down during the 6th inning, and had a mini-crisis last night.
- Wade LeBlanc has dropped three straight, after showing dominance the first five games, all of which the Pads have won under his pitching.
- Offense is batting .248, third lowest in the National League. Guys like Venable and Blanks, who showed great potential in the second half of last season, have a combined 103 K’s.
- Injuries: Scott Harriston and E-Cab are on the 15-day DL, while CY, imo, doesn’t look like he’s going to return anytime soon.
LeBlanc will be awesome again
once I drop him from my Fantasy team.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Votes may be too high
its on the organization, which has fired the GM that built this team and really what Jed has done is not panic or be hasty in his decision. (which I applaud him for). He mad a couple of good trades, and solid signings but no homeruns yet.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
Yorvit was inspired...
As was Garland.
"This team looks dangerous, like a convict with a temper, nothing to lose and a switch blade." -jbox
7 to 8
These next few (Pelfrey, Santana, Latos vs. Halladay on Friday) will be a good litmus test. Take 1 of the final two with NYM, then split the road trip or better, then from 8 to 9.
All the fun is in the cheap seats!
3
Feel like the FO is just waiting for the team to collapse, so it can go ahead with the “plan”, which is to trade away AGon and Bell. These might be the LT right answers, but it is painful.
http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=8561485&c_id=sd&topic_id=8879004
At the end of the interview Hoyer says “What is happening this year is great, but it is really going to be about scouting and player development.” Or something close to that. That is why he was brought in. That is the answer from every small market team. We have to be like Minnesota. But their plan is nothing about building on the team now, but to get all the position players through the farm. That is in the future, at least 2-4 years in the future. Which is what most every franchise wants, but, when we suddenly have a squad that exceeding expectations, no moves to win now. I am guessing.
KT, for right or wrong, I think would have rolled the dice and made moves to give this team a chance to win now. If they are winning through June he would have.
I just hope they keep winning, making it too uncomfortable for Moorad and co. to execute on the plan.
OK, my real number is like 9. I frickin’ love this team, but just wanted to rant about a grudge against Moorad and co.
So, you'd prefer to raid our farm system now and blow any chance we have of building a
complete core of young homegrown players in the future?
If you expect us to make moves now to win now, then you have to accept that the flip side to that is giving up prospects of value. I’m 100% against doing that… and I think Jed is probably trying to hint at that as well.
We need to stay the course for the long term regardless of what happens this season.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jun 1, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Not saying blow out our farm system..
But spending some money. Be on the other side of a salary dump. They passed on Burrell and Dye. Not saying either of those guys are the right moves, but, at least with Dye, it was mentioned they passed for financial reasons.
I guess the scenario I cringe against...
Is we are 1-5 games back in late July, and they execute the AGon and Bell trades. Is it their fault that is what MLB economics force small market teams to do? No. But it still pisses me off, and they are buying into it by saying “We can compete each year through player development and scouting.” Maybe. But the rich teams are trying to do that too. And can spend more money on signing bonuses.
Only Minnesota has been able to consistently compete through player development. Even Oakland cannot do that. Tampa is making the case, but can they maintain it? And they accumulated some great talent through horrible years. Texas as well, but still early on them as well.
I would prefer someone saying “Hey we are going to do the best we can until there is substantive revenue sharing/salary cap.”
This can be done without screwing players. For example, if the “cap” was an amount that allocated 90% of baseball revenue to player salaries, it would not hurt players. But to afford that, there has to be bigger revenue sharing.
What I don't understand is that you're giving them low marks for what you think is going to happen in the future.
Adrian has NOT been traded yet. The Padres have the best record in the NL. Jed has said repeatedly that the Padres will not be trading away pieces as long as they’re in contention… and has, in fact, said that the Padres will be BUYERS if it makes sense. Also, the “salary dump” type moves that you’re referring to don’t happen in April and May or even June. It’s crazy to be upset about not seeing a move like that yet… we’re not really to the point in the season where teams are accepting that they’re out of contention and willing to get rid of big contracts.
I can understand giving them low confidence marks if all the things you say come to pass… but that’s a lot of ifs as of right now.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jun 1, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
fair points...
I just think they under-estimated the quality of the team, not making low risk, low duration moves that could have brought in some offense while we sort out how can actually play at the major league level.
They expected the team to flounder in the mid to low end of the division, allowing a cheap season of “testing” the youngsters.
Our offense is atrocious. If we had a middling offense, I could see us 5 games up with a real chance for the playoffs. Trades later, while nice, would still get a passable offense in the last 1/3 or 1/4 of the season. Imagine having one now.
9
I believe this team will win 119 games
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