sources confirm sd union report gonzalez seeks teixeira $. also hear padres thinking closer to torii hunter ($90 mil, 5 yrs).
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So you're front paging a tweet
That’s based on a source that you already linked to in your Around the Mission post. Quality blogging.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
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Geez
Eastbaysd, you’re needed over here.
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it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Mar 2, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
What are you, the Blogging Police?
twitter.com/matthewverygood
by matthewverygood on Mar 2, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Geez
I compliment someone on their quality blogging and people start getting into a tizzy.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
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if
the Pads offered Gonzo $18 million per year that is more than fair.
by schwing and a miss on Mar 2, 2010 3:04 PM PST reply actions
point is
if they did offer that, everyone needs to shut up about ownership being cheap
by schwing and a miss on Mar 2, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah you're right...
Besides we have a new owner and GM we just have to wait and see, but it all indicated that Adrian is leaving. Even when Hoyer or Moorad are asked about Adrian’s future with the team, they avoid the question and just beat around the bush. I’ve seen it on TV and at the Padres open house.
by Padrefanatico on Mar 2, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Texiera got 8 yrs 180 mil
22.5 mil a year – now that is a lot of cheese
Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a baseball; inside of a dog, it is very dark.
--Groucho Marx.
Look at where getting a contract worth $18 mil a year got Peavy
This is getting ugly…Adrian will be gone by the allstar break, lets just hope he gets off to a hot start and another 1B goes down.
I think the bidding for Gonzo starts at 6/$120mil
If that’s too much for the Pads (and I think it is), then we better start sorting through the trade offers.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Mar 2, 2010 3:37 PM PST reply actions
I deserve teixeira $
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Mar 2, 2010 3:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
See, that's why we get along.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Mar 2, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ooops
didn’t see your dollar sign until I got to Dalton, thought you boys were coming clean on something…
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by ABY on Mar 3, 2010 3:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't mean they aren't
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by Winfield's Ghost on Mar 3, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Let's do it
We can be a $60m payroll team again.
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get rid of him
…I mean… I love the guy, but he’d be doing himself a huge disservice staying here… he has 60 HR potential anywhere else… If we’re going to put up that kind of an investment in one player, it should be in a line-drive gap hitter with speed.
Um
Sorry, you’re way wrong here. If we’re investing $20 mil on a position player, it should be a power hitter, not a line-drive gap hitter with speed.
Not that we’re going to, but still…
unless another ichiro comes along
I'm hung up on gravity
by CurbEnthusiasm on Mar 2, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
maybe
I guess the point I’m trying to make is that if Adrian is worth $18M here, he’s worth $25M in a park that doesn’t eat half his homers… and if the Padres want to lure a power hitter from somewhere else, they’re going to have to have to overpay for under-performance… So maybe you don’t pay $20M for OBP and speed, but if you’re going to put a significant chunk of your payroll into one player, they probably shouldn’t be catcher-slow if you play at Petco.
"if you're going to put a significant chunk of your payroll into one player"
you’re kinda f-cking yourself. Websoulsurfer, on his blog, mentioned something along these lines a few weeks ago (via Ducksnorts)…
I have found that no team since the advent of Free Agency has won a World Series with one player making more than 16% of total payroll and no team has made it to the World Series (or even the NLCS) with one player making more than 20% of the total payroll.
Etc…
No small market team today can afford to keep players of Adrian Gonzalez’s caliber, players that will earn $20+ million in free agency, and continue to compete with one player taking up such a large of a percentage of their total payroll.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Mar 2, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
lotsa $$$, one player
not sayin’ they should… just sayin’ that if they decide to dump a lot of money on one guy, it shouldn’t be Adrian.
Websoulsurfer = EPIC FAIL
A-Rod Made $33 Million dollars from the WORLD SERIES CHAMPION New York Yankees $207 Million dollar payroll in 2009, which is approximately SIXTEEN PERCENT.
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it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Mar 2, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Define "more" 16.00000001%?
The point doesn’t carry much weight when he just conveniently picks the highest number ever achieved.
Further his entire argument is a simple Argumentum ad Ignorantiam.
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it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Mar 2, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Additionally
If you discount the differed money the Yankees paid to players that weren’t actually playing for the Yankees, and only count the payroll of the 25 men on the roster, A-Rod’s salary is far north of 16%.
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it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Mar 2, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Does it matter, we are not talking about 16 or 17 percent for the Padres....
If the Padres paid Adrian 18 million a year, it would be 24% of 75 million, the mid point of where ownership projects future payroll. That is the problem with committing to Adrian. There would have to always be a roster full of league min players. I would love to think of Adrian staying long term, but if he is thinking 18-22.5 million a season, its beyond what the Padres can realistically commit to one player.
if the payroll was $75 mil and A-Gon made $18 mil
then that would leave $57 mil left over for the other 24 players (about $2.375 per player) thats a bit more than the $400 K minimum.
To be honest we have no clue what the new ownership groups stance is on big contracts, they may be willing to hand this one out or they may not or they could be like Moores and hand out this contract have buyers remorse and spend the next 2 seasons trying to trade it away.
$75 million?
That’s an incredible gamble on Adrian’s contract that you’d have a team with enough drawing power to get the payroll that high.
I think that’s the biggest issue. It’s not there isn’t a situation where they can do it. Because, obviously there is. The issue is whether the risk of doing it is worth the reward.
If the team has a bad year in the next couple of years and sets ticket sales back, then suddenly you are back fire-selling the team just so that you can afford Adrian’s contract.
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In fairness to websoulsurfer
It’s not his point. Gammons has been saying this for years, long before the Yankees won with A-Rod. So now you can either say that only one team has won with one player making 16% or you can say that no team’s won with one player making 17% and the point still gets across.
http://thesacrificebunt.com/
I also think that even though ARod makes 16% of the payroll,
the Yanks still shelled out $207 mil last year. That’s not really in the spirit of the argument. I suppose you could also argue that they paid ~$50 mil more than the next team, meaning they are an outlier.
The FAIL goes on
The 2007 Colorado Rockies were defeated by the Boston Red Sox in the World Series. Todd Helton made $16.6 Million dollars out of the Rockies $54.4 Million dollar payroll, or approximately 30.5%
Nice research.
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Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Mar 2, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Full disclosure
I’m just playing devil’s advocate.
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Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Mar 2, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
It never happens!
Except when it does happen!
Nicely done, 'tec
I assumed that because it went across Geoff Young’s desk it was legit. Apparently, though, websoulsurfer is a damn dirty liar.
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by TheGrandHatching on Mar 3, 2010 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
That's better
Of course I’m not going to check your numbers, I’m going to assume everything everybody says has already been fact checked.
I did similar analysis
And there is a huge gap of success at 11% of payroll for one player.
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Agreed
If the Padres were ever to spend on a great player, Adrian would be it. But they never have and never will. Baseball economics sucks. Small market, can’t afford, yadda yadda yadda..
Peace out Adrian!
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"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes
How many people are signed up to GLB?
Since we are already doing it…can we just negotiate Adrian’s deal and split the commish?
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Tsk, tsk
remember what happened to the Station when Bill McNeil got his raise?
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EXACTLY.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 3, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
The Sporting News
So, if Adrian has 1 foot out the door
who should be marketed by the team? Scott Hairston? Mat Latos? Matt Bush?
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"Just because you went to the Finals last year, you can’t go out on the floor and expect teams to lay down. We got no heart. You can only make so many excuses. Everybody has to come and play hard, not just one or two guys."-Matt Barnes
BLANKZILLA!
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by TheThinGwynn on Mar 3, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
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