Steve Garvey: On a scale from Zero to Tony Gwynn
by jbox on Feb 3, 2010 7:14 PM PST
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The Zero to Tony Gwynn scale is a rating of a Padres's importance to the San Diego Padres and their fans. The scale works to determine the relative importance of a particular Padre based on the assumption that Tony Gwynn is the perfect representation of the San Diego Padres.
I'm going to give you a tough one now. The inside fastball.
Steve Garvey.
A Dodger. He bleeds Dodger Blue. He doesn't seem to want anything to do with the Padres.
yet...
He made a huge impact on the Padres franchise. He carried the '84 Padres to the World Series. He hit the most epic home run in franchise history! He has his number retired by the club for crying out loud! Tony Gwynn thanked him in his Hall of Fame speech.
You can't tell me he didn't love the people of San Diego... the women mostly... but he loved them better than you or I.
How would you feel if you met Tony Gwynn vs. your feelings of meeting Steve Garvey?
While thinking about all that....also think about how he was a Dodger. Okay go vote.
Note: Let's not forget that the vast majority of players aren't even on this list, they couldn't hold Gwynn's jock. When your voting for these guys, think where others would rank around them, have you left room for them on the scale? I say this because it amazes me that a good portion of you think Hoffman is equal to what Tony Gwynn meant to the Padres and to the fans.
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depends what you mean by "carry"
He hit 8 homers in 617 at bats in ’84, with a .307 OBP. That one playoff home run is the only reason his number is retired.
I'd be 100% okay with
retiring Milton Bradley’s name after his career is over.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
the only memories i have of steve garvey is people bitching about his number
zero
And I've been into the plants and simple treasures
i just reread your post haha
i’d give him a 4
coasts along and gets all the glory
And I've been into the plants and simple treasures
by CurbEnthusiasm on Feb 3, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
3.6
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I have a decimal fetish.
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by Axion on Feb 3, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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That is conservative based on the home run, ’84 being the first year I truly understood baseball, the popeye arms and finally the fact that I got a pleasant response when I said hi to him at a game 2 seasons ago. I justify like a mutha!
Garvey to Gwynn Scale
Steve gets a 1 for his 1 memorable Home Run… That’s it…and BTW un-retire #6…I still remember Tim Flannery wearing that number when he first broke in with the Padres…
Tony Gwynn is on a scale all his OWN…Dave Winfield would have been there had he stayed with the Padres…But N-E-Vay… Here is my 2-cents worth of opinion.
When Garvey came to the Padres
The Padres became a legit MLB team. Without him, I probably would have never become a Padres fan and been able to appreciate the greatness of TG… 8
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 4, 2010 8:22 AM PST reply actions
That right there is a good reason
to discard outliers.
j/k
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 4, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I probably deserve that
I remember how bent the old timers use to get when I would say “Nate who?? Nate Colbert? who is that?”… now I am that old timer…
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 4, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
You and me both.
We’ve still got some years on WG though. I’m pretty sure he was a fan of the Sacramento Solons.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 4, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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He is known nationally for being a Dodger, had his best years with the Dodgers, but he played a significant role in getting the Padres to their first world Series…and he has the same birthday as me.
Farewell Kouz...go tear it up in Oaktown
by icaughthundleys#4 on Feb 4, 2010 8:39 AM PST reply actions
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For 6… Also, after 1984 he didn’t want anything to do with the Padres. I guess there has been a bit of reconciliation though, with him actually showing up to the event last year. Still, outside of SD, and inside for a great many people, he’s a Dodger, true and blue. Also, point out that when people think Nettles and Gossage, they think Yankees, never Padres.
SD Chicken for GM
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Can I change my vote?
I didn’t read the question thoroughly and thought we were guessing the number of illegitimate kids he has.
by Drama on Feb 4, 2010 11:17 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
"To Vickie 'xxoo'" / "Steve Garvey #6"
This belongs to my mother-in-law… and, now that I think about it, Mrs. Hatching does look a lot like Steve Garvey.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 4, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Good question.
I’ll ask her tonight at dinner.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 4, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
"was" is the operative word.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 5, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
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Strictly on the basis of one homerun. I don’t like the fact that his number is retired here. And I think we can all agree that he’s not a “true” Padre.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Feb 4, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions
Agreed!
Unretire his number. BTW I can’t believe the Tampa Bay Rays(Devil Rays at that time) retired Wade Boggs number. Insane
Garveys number being retired by the Padres
is nearly as insane.
you guys are nuts
Garvey comes to a piss poor franchise that had never even been to playoffs and two years later we are in the WS. I’m not saying it was all him, but he put the franchise on the map and brought a winning attitude to the team. AND hit what to this day was the most critical and storied hit in the history of the franchise.
His number deserves to be retired as much as any other number up there (Outside of 19 who is deserving on a whole ’nother level)
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 4, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
In my eyes, having your number retired is an even greater honor than getting into the HOF.
Just going by the numbers, there are far fewer players who have had their numbers retired than are in the HOF.
I got into this when we were having the number retirement discussion a while back, but in my opinion there are three things a player has to do to have their number retired:
1) Play for the team for a long time. (barely over 4 years)
2) Be a great player (the best, or one of the best on the team for the whole time they’re there). (yes in 83 and 85, no in 84, 86, and 87)
3) Have one or more “signature moments.” (yes, obviously)
Garvey has only one of those three requirements. I’m not saying he wasn’t a great player, or that he doesn’t deserve some sort of recognition from the Pads. But I really don’t think he acheived number retirement status.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Feb 5, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Do you have the numbers for HOFers and jerseys retired?
I’m too lazy to look them up…
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 5, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Trying to figure it out...
Per wiki…
As of January 2010[update], 292 individuals had been elected to the Hall of Fame, including 203 former Major League players, 35 Negro Leaguers, 19 managers, 9 umpires, and 26 pioneers, executives, and organizers.
As for retired numbers… there are 158. But there are some exceptions:
1. The Expos had 4 retired numbers (included in my 158 total), but when the franchise was moved to DC, they essentially un-retired those four. (Carter, Dawson, Staub, Raines)
2. Some of the retired numbers are for managers and owners. (Casey Stengel, August Busch, Gene Autry)
3. Jackie Robinson is only counted once in the 158 (not 30 times).
So, the count is closer than I thought, but it is indeed a rarer honor to have your number retired than to be in the HOF.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Feb 5, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I like your requirements
but I think only TG meets those requirements for the Padres… If you take down the Garv, you’ll need to take down Lefty and the Yankee as well…
For teams like the Padres, I think there might be some sort of “Outstanding Contribution to the Franchise” requirement that might allow the team to retire numbers of guys who don’t meet your requirements. But if you told me all the numbers but 19 are coming down, I’d be OK with that as well.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 5, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
You would take down #42?
Racist!
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 5, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Settled around 5 and 6
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it kind of reminds me of that movie "You've got mail"...I'm Tom Hanks he's Meg Ryan -- Padres prospect Matt Antonelli on sdsuaztec4
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 4, 2010 4:22 PM PST reply actions
Steve Garvey is my Padre.
1981. I was seven years old. My favorite player was Steve Garvey. My favorite team was the Dodgers. They won the World Series.
After the 1982 season, Garvey signed with the Padres. My favorite team is the Padres.
Garvey is the most important free agent signing in Padres history.
Fans knew who the Padres were because Garvey signed with them.
He didn’t just hit one home run.
He was the NLCS MVP. He hit .400/.429/.600 in 21 at-bats.
He led the Padres to their first World Series appearance. They became the first team to rally from a 2-0 deficit in LCS play.
He broke the NL record for consecutive games played (1,207) in1983. The record still stands.
He started two All-Star games — in 1984 and 1985.
He broke the all-time errorless games streak at first base in 1984.
He won the Lou Gehrig Memorial Award in 1984.
These are not the most impressive feats, but each one helped give exposure to a team that previously had little.
Steve Garvey is not one of the best players in Padres history.
But he is one of the most imporant.
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by brewer090 on Feb 5, 2010 1:39 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Really well said
Thank you for waving at me.
by Winfield's Ghost on Feb 5, 2010 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
How the hell did Garvey
start over Keith Hernandez in the ’84 and ’85 All Star Game?
That puts a big dent in the ol’ east coast media bias accusations.
I am going to have to research that a little bit.
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