Trevor Hoffman: On a scale from Zero to Tony Gwynn
by jbox on Feb 3, 2010 3:38 PM PST
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The Zero to Tony Gwynn scale is a rating of a Padres's importance to the San Diego Padres and their fans. The scale works to determine the relative importance of a particular Padre based on the assumption that Tony Gwynn is the perfect representation of the San Diego Padres.
I can already tell that I'm going to have a hard time explaining the idea behind this post, because I'm having trouble explaining it to Dex. He keeps cutting me off saying "Jerry Coleman is a Yankee!"
If we assume that Tony Gwynn is the perfect Padre in every conceivable way, then how do other people associated with the Padres measure up?
I want to do a series of blog posts trying to figure out how some other San Diego Padres icons measure up to Mr. Padre. Then after we get the results we can maybe figure out a formula that tells us what criteria is important to us as fans.
This isn't so much about stats as much as it is about how beloved they are by Padres fans.
For instance if I said "Paul McAnulty", you might say "Who?" or "That good for nothin' sonuva--" and he'd get a zero. But if I said "Ken Caminiti" then you might scratch your chin and say "Well, I love him 1/3 as much as I do Tony the Gwynn" So you'd vote him a 3.
It's not just about love, but also how important he was to you and the franchise.
If I said "Kevin Kouzmanoff", you might swoon and fall off your pony and say "he's a NINE!" In this case you'd be an outlier because you're crazy if you think that.
It also might depend on your age. For example, I might have been alive when Winfield still played for the Padres, but I wasn't cognitively aware of him. I think of him as a Padres executive who wears a Yankees hat any chance he can get. So while an old guy like WG might say something crusty like "Winfield was the cat's meow", I just can't get behind that.
So does this make any sense? Do you understand what you are voting for? No? Hmmm. Let's try anyway.
Let's start with another Padres all time great, Mr. Trevor Hoffman. He's the all time save leader. He's the link between the 1996, 1998, 2005 and 2006 teams. He was a Padre for what 16 seasons? A great guy by all accounts and involved in the community. He was always friendly to fans and the media. Where does Trevor rank on the Tony Gwynn Scale?
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for the record.
voted Tony the Gwynn.
i loved Tony but i loved Hoffy more.
Hoffman routinely got me up in my seat rocking ..
Gwynn made me golf clap a lot when he slapped a single through the 4.5 hole.
I love em both, but I was partial towards Hoffy.
does than make me a loon?
552
8
Hoffman ripped my heart out a few times.
by Dalton on Feb 3, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for endorsing my viewpoint.
And my rec of Drama is what is known as an “indir-’rec”, since I’m really just rec-ing myself.
Yes
It’s the 5.5 hole.
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Cammy gets a 1
cus he tried to bang my married sister, even after he found out she was married.
And from what i understand their were many brothers in the same boat.
552
See that kind of information is important
because fond memories rank highly in this vote.
by jbox on Feb 3, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Love this comment.
Love this whole post. Well done, jbox.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 3, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
link fail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J40rLaARx00
"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
"And from what i understand their were many brothers in the same boat."
Doesn’t that say more about your sister, or did I read that wrong?
I got a boat
And I've been into the plants and simple treasures
by CurbEnthusiasm on Feb 3, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That was my interpretation of "brothers".
But the “boat” thing confused me.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 3, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
"Wut r u talkin' about I love boats"
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by Axion on Feb 3, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll give him
8.5 on the Gwynn scale.
He left and we just made another closer who leads the NL in saves, whereas RF in a post-The Gwynn world… ugh.
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by Axion on Feb 3, 2010 4:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point
Hoffman was much more replaceable
I re-worded the post a little bit
trying to clarify and also to take a shot at WG.
by jbox on Feb 3, 2010 4:15 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Thank you
for not getting behind me. Makes me nervous.
Thank you for waving at me.
by Winfield's Ghost on Feb 3, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
Every time I see jbox...
Thank you for waving at me.
by Winfield's Ghost on Feb 3, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
"If I said "Kevin Kouzmanoff", you might swoon and fall off your pony"
F’n hilarious!!!
BTW, the only 9 that I would give would be for KT. That guy was a true Padre blue FRIAR.
How about....
Archie Cianfracco, Phil Plantier, Mark Sweeney, Willie Blair, Doug Bochtler and Craig Shipley?
i used to love trevor and defend him against bastard yankee fans
now? meh he was a real douche on the way out
And I've been into the plants and simple treasures
still gave him a 9 though
hells bells baby
And I've been into the plants and simple treasures
by CurbEnthusiasm on Feb 3, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Trevor tried to throw some game to my married sister.
…but she just tripled up the right field line.
by Dalton on Feb 3, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Yes.
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“Hell, I like you, you can come over to my house and f**k my sister.”
by Drama on Feb 3, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
exactly, sarge.
that’s what San Diego would tell Tony Gwynn.
Hoffman we would invite over for a couple beers, but have an excuse lined up in case things started dragging on too long.
I can't BELIEVE people are going as high as TG or even a 9
I forget now what I put, but Tony Gwynn gets compared to Ty Cobb and Honus Wagner. Trevor gets compared to Lee Smith and Mariano Rivera.
I think the problem with the pool
Is that TG is the only name on there. It would help if, say, #5 had someone like Adrian, #3 had Jake Peavy, #9 had Curt Schilling, etc.
I gave him an 8
He was a great Padre, which is what the questioned asked right? Tony is the all time best San Diegan and one of the best hitters of all time. There should be no 9s and Tonys.
Sandy Alderson still lurks this site.
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7
No one gets an 8 or a 9.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 3, 2010 4:51 PM PST reply actions
I can't wait for the rest of this series.
I hope you do dancing grounds crew guy. That little prick.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Feb 3, 2010 4:56 PM PST reply actions
There can be only one
Mr. Padre and that’s T the G so I say 9.
Gwynn – P Mac = Trevor
subtracting negatives
that would put Trevor 1 above Gwynn in my book
Farewell Kouz...go tear it up in Oaktown
by icaughthundleys#4 on Feb 3, 2010 6:05 PM PST reply actions
he never played for the padres
And I've been into the plants and simple treasures
by CurbEnthusiasm on Feb 3, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
subtracting negatives
Hitler was a better leader than George Washington.
by Dalton on Feb 3, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, jbox.
This was fun. We should do this again soon.
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I honestly only have 2 memories of Paul McAnulty.
1) Drama bitching about him.
2)
San Diego Padres’ Paul McAnulty is out at third as Colorado Rockies’ Garrett Atkins applies the tag after McAnulty tried to stretch a double into a triple while leading off the bottom of the 13th inning in a scoreless game against the Colorado Rockies Thursday April 17, 2008 in San Diego.
And yes, #1 and #2 did overlap.
I'll always proudly remember the time he made the front page of Yahoo sports...
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Feb 3, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't decide if he looks more like a kitten batting at a ball of yarn
or a turtle flipped over onto the back of his shell.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Feb 4, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
I like to think the faces to the right
are reacting to the main pic on the left.
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by Axion on Feb 4, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I did bitch about him a lot, didn't I?
The night he tried to stretch that double I completely lost my shit.
Be nice to PMac
He gets a 1. The first guy that I could think of that would earn a 0: Doug Mirabelli.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
I see the scale as more richter-like
Where each one is 10 times the previous one.
Or, maybe a Bell curve.
Anyway, it just seems like you have to earn a zero. PMac worked hard and was a little scrappy. I’ll save the 0’s for jackasses.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
He had that lovable loser
thing working for him.
You couldn’t stay mad at PMAC, even when he ate all your nachos.
9
The player most associated with the Padres other han Gwynn.
The all-time saves leader.
He will enter the Hall of Fame as a Padres player.
Hell’s Bells.
I am not so sure
he is a slam dunk for the HOF.
But I guess I should save that for another thread.
Even if I try to act as objective as possible
I can’t see how Hoffman would not get into the HOF.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Feb 5, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
I think it will take several years
but eventually he will get in. A lot of it depends who else is on the ballot.
He can’t expect his SAVES total to carry him in.
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