Padres GM Hoyer says this was the right thing to do for the franchise
by jbox on Dec 6, 2010 5:03 PM PST
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- "Once it was so clear that he [Adrian Gonzalez] wasn't going to be here I thought the right thing to do was look for a trade to bolster our future."
- "I think if we never did it, it'd be a detriment to the franchise."
- Hoyer says there were 3 teams that were really interested and about 4 others that were just kicking the tires. The market for Adrian was limited. His agent said he'd only take an extension from a major market (Boston, Chicago, New York and Los Angeles).
- Hoyer feared all the suitors would sign free agents and he'd lose his market for Gonzalez.
- Hoyer talked to Theo Epstein about Adrian Gonzalez a month after he took the job. Epstein was the most aggressive GM.
- Hoyer got a lot of comfort from the fact that he knew about all of Boston's prospects. Hoyer overvaluing the prospects because of his knowledge of them was discussed. "This was clearly the best package."
- "I'm very happy with the return, I think we got 3 very good prospects that will really brighten our future."
- "I think this is the best deal we could have gotten for Adrian Gonzalez, period." With only one year left on his contract the return on the trade was greatly decreased.
- The return the Braves got for Mark Texeira at the trade deadline "frightened" Hoyer.
- The Padres farm system is not where it should be. "Letting it walk away for just draft picks was not an acceptable risk."
- Hoyer thought the right thing to do was be preemptive and get a really good package going forward. Moorad and Garfinkel have always supported Hoyer's decision making.
- If the Padres had the resources they'd love to keep Adrian but that's just not reality.
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"Our preference, obviously, would have been to get young controllable big league players, but that just wasn't reality. The best we could have done from another team was one major league ready player and a bunch of prospects that I wasn't very high on. The only deals that we had that I really felt were acceptable were deals that had significant prospect haul. The reason for that is simple because the teams that want Adrian Gonzalez, they're doing it to try and win in 2011. If you're trying to win in 2011, you don't give up young big leaguers. Obviously if I could have gotten young big leaguers I would have, but that's just not reality. Why would a team give up young big leaguers if they're trying to win next year? It just doesn't make sense."
"These deals do work out there are plenty of examples of that, but it requires a little bit of patience. As a fan I would rather us go after a significant prospect haul like we got than to get one guy to fill a hole and some relief pitching prospect that we can stick in AAA. I don't think that's an appropriate return for a guy of Adrian's caliber."
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"The Detective" thinks Jed Hoyer made the correct call
If we had kept Gonzo through 2011, he would have walked, and we wouldn’t have gotten anything for him in return. “The Detective” hates it that he left, no one on this here blog likes that he’s gone to Beantown, but this was a necessary move.
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Watson agrees
Seriously though, you’re dead on. Adrian was gone at the end of next year, there was no way the Padres were going to be able to afford 155 million over 7 years. Frankly few teams could. And it’s a big gamble on top of that with a guy who’s at his peak like Adrian. This way we restocked the minor leagues and have plenty of new talent to look forward too. Plus we know Hoyer isn’t done wheeling and dealing for 2011 yet either.
by athletics68 on Dec 7, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I still feel like crap over this
even when I know it was going to happen and know why it needed to happen
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I’ll have a good time watching the Pads in 2015…
"Obviously if I could have gotten young big leaguers I would have, but that's just not reality. Why would a team give up young big leaguers if they're trying to win next year? It just doesn't make sense."
Yeah really jed, who would give up young big leaguers and expect to win ’11…who….who would do that…hmm…
Gonzalez will be 29 during the 2011 season. That's not "young."
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LEBRON GONZALEZ LOL
LEBRON GONZALEZ LOL
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by TheGrandHatching on Dec 6, 2010 6:42 PM PST reply actions
Adrian James?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Just went over on the UT site
This place looks downright giddy compared to over there…
Unless you want your spirits completely crushed, stay far far away.
"I don't think about the things I say. You guys are the ones who think about it."
I might head over there
I’ve been looking to meet other people who think Adrian Gonzalez and LeBron James are similar (LOL!) or that Bud Black should have spent more money on the team (Cheapskate!).
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by TheGrandHatching on Dec 6, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm fairly sure you will find all that and more.
They are letting irrationality and anger take over in a big way right now.
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by surferfromSD619 on Dec 6, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
What I'm trying to figure out...
If Kelly is THE BEST in a very strong system…why is his ceiling projected at a #2, most likely a 3? How is he not ace material?
His upside is 1-2.
Who ever said #3?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
If The Padres farm system was producing good players on a regular bases, people would not go crazy when one of them left.
by field39 on Dec 6, 2010 8:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
AG did not come from the Padres farm system
though the way everyone is yakking – it sure seems like it.
And by regular bases, you mean the square ones?
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If players were showing up every year
and producing for five or six years, people would not get upset when they left. People are upset now because Gonzo is all there is. People naturally assume that it will always be like that. One good player who hangs around for a while then leaves. Only having one good player does not work, not matter how long you keep him. It works when you have lots of good players. They come, they go and you win.
by field39 on Dec 6, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"It doesn't make sense."
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by Axion on Dec 6, 2010 9:48 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'm glad to see that Kyle "Gigantor" Blanks is part of the Padres plan
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DON'T
be so sure about that. Rizzo just took his spot. right?
by schwing and a miss on Dec 7, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
He's going to have to make himself part of the plans.
Sez Jedz
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by Jonathan Holmes on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I am currently embarked on a cross country odyssey (Freezing in Chicago)
and haven’t had much time on the webs. My first thought is, why the Red Sox? Was there really no greater value than what Theo Epstein offered Jed?
"I'll tell you about it because I am here and you are distant."
We could have gotten more for him last winter.
But the shoulder injury, combined with the fact that he only has one year left and the Padres have no chance to re-sign him means that his value was greatly diminished.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
^This. But if we'd traded him then we don't get the 90 win season and that was fun to watch.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
It was.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
The way I see it
No one else could offer players with the upside of the Red Sox prospects. They could get a young major leaguer back, but it would be someone without the upside to be an All-Star level contributor. That would be okay if they also could get back a prospect who had upside, but my understanding is that if they got back a major leaguer, then any prospects in the deal would be less-than-exceptional. In order to get the most talent and potential back, Hoyer took this deal. Its a gamble, but its a gamble towards staying competitive winning a a future championship. As opposed to finding a way to hang on for 2011 and gamble that we can figure out the future at a later date.
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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Hey Pads fans
I am curious of what affiliates Rizzo and Kelly will be playing in.
thank you!
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It says so in the story above
Fuentes will start in Lake Elsinore, Kelly will start in San Antonio and Rizzo will start in Tuscon in AAA
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Missed that
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by Marisa Ingemi on Dec 7, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Going to follow the "kids", huh?
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Yes
Those two were my favorite prospects.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Dec 7, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
"Tuscon in AAA"
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by Axion on Dec 7, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's the "right" thing to do when you have a 40 million dollar payroll
But it’s “wrong” to let an owner spend 40 million dollars on payroll and essentially pay for the team with revenue sharing cash.
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It would take a lot of revenue sharing cash, to buy a baseball team.
Especially when you consider that cash distributions must be handed out to all owners, based on their current ownership share.
I really wish MLB hadn't let an ownership group without any money buy the club.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
There should be a requirement that new owners have enough cash to keep the payroll at 70 mil, even in an economic downturn.
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You mean like a salary floor? To be coupled with a salary cap?
What a concept! Why has no other league thought of something like that before?!
"Don’t get nervous. Norv is in charge."
a minimum payroll for MLB has been discussed
Teams like the Yankees are tired of giving $ to small market teams that pocket the cash, field a cheap team and make a nice profit – like the Marlins.
There are lots of discussions on MLB’s revenue sharing system.
This may all be moot with all the new sources of revenue available to MLB – phone apps, MLB TV, etc. Those dollars get shared evenly (I guess) amongst the teams.
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Hoyer and Moorad Should be Drawn & Quartered
I’m extremely upset with the Padres organization.
How can the Padres trade Adrian Gonzales, the face of the organization?
How can they trade away there ONLY productive hitter? It’s all about profit.
The victims are the fans: particularly, the season ticket holders. I’m a season ticket fan since 1977 and I would be happy to relinquish my tickets and get a refund. I tried to get hold of my season ticket representative and she has not returned my calls.
I and other fans have been betrayed by the greed of the owner’s and the asinine decisions by Jed Hoyer. There is no excuse for this blaspheme. The Padres organization is nothing more than a money machine with the owners lining their pockets and the fans paying the price.
Jeff Moorad and Jed Hoyer should get a beat down
Wait a minute
You’ve been a season ticket holder since 1977, and you were under the impression that the Padres were going to re-sign Gonzales [sic]? Just out of curiosity, to what extent do you actually watch the Padres play, follow Padres-related news, or actually encounter any information whatsoever regarding the Padres?
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by TheGrandHatching on Dec 7, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
To people who say Hoyer should be drawn and Quartered or knee-capped….Think of it this way. WHEN not if Gonzo walked, who would we have…answer…NO ONE! Yes the 2011 season may be a long shot, but even 2010 was a long shot. The guys that over produced most likley wont over produce in 2011. We did the only thing we could do. We will have a producer in Ludwick(who will not be stressed) and (even though i dont like him) Denoforia. Our pitching is still very strong. I am a fan, but dont think the Padres will go much higher then 3rd this season. When the kids we got do make the majors(2 years) the pads will have a payroll and a farm system. I have been a fan since I can remember and still waiting to blubber like a baby when they win it all, and it will come. The blasphemy that you speak of would have happened in 2011 if they would have let him walk for nothing!
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 7, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I somewhat understand the anger with ownership, but I just don't get why people are upset with Hoyer.
You guys know the General Manager only gets to spend as much money as ownership allows him to, right?
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The Trade was Awesome for Whom?
This trade was awesome for the owners. They claim with this trade that the Padres farm system will be stronger. Well what about the 2011 season? I wasted THOUSANDS of dollars on season tickets for 2011 (which are not refundable). Both Jed and Jeff deserve to be “knee-capped”
It would be funny
Since you can be tracked via ‘computer stuff’ if they waited until you got into your seat on opening day and arrested you for violent threats. Then Hoyer and Moorad could sit in your seats, making it rain with Gonzo’s cash all over supportive fans.
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by Friar Fever on Dec 8, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I trust the man-boy
He knows the players well. I think the team can be somewhere around .500 the next few years if they build a team on pitching and defense, then hopefully we can field a real contender by 2013 or so. We’ve been waiting for a legit team all these years, whats a few more…
by Natrone Means Business on Dec 8, 2010 2:20 PM PST reply actions
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