Open Thread: Adrian Gonzalez Trade Watch 2010 - Day 2

For any kind of short-term competition in the West, we’re utterly screwed. Long-term…..we’ll see what happens. I think it’s almost safe to say that Jed’s job is riding on how this one pans out (and the probable future trade of Latos, as well).

Can one of you guys fill me in on who Reymond Fuentes is? It’s kinda odd that I’ve read MLBTR for months leading up to this trade and I’ve never heard his name brought up.

http://www.soxprospects.com/

We didn’t do too badly

I guess it was coming…

and I wonder if we might try to “flip” one of these prospects to the Nationals for one of their stud SS.

Apparently the Nationals have a couple of really good shortstops who are ready for the majors.

But that is probably wishful thinking.

So, here is what soxprospects.com has to say about each of them!
Casey Kelly:

Scouting Report: Athletic frame with smooth agility and a tremendous feel for pitching. Kelly was a two-way player in high school, excelling at both shortstop and as a pitcher. He was also a highly-touted quarterback recruit for Tennessee before signing with the Sox. Kelly split his first pro year in 2009 between pitching and hitting, showing elite pitching tools and mediocre offensive skills. In December 2009, Kelly made the decision to continue his career on the mound. Kelly’s pitching skills are quite advanced for his age, mixing in three plus pitches: a low 90s fastball, a hard 12-6 curveball, and a nice change. Early in his career, he demonstrated outstanding command, and control, but as his velocity has increased he has lost some touch on his fastball. Sound, smooth mechanics. Fastball has excellent downward movement, and generally sits between 90 and 93 mph, getting up to 96 mph on occasion. Many scouts project that he’ll sit in the 92-95 mph range after he fills out. Curveball has the potential to become a plus-plus wipeout pitch. It sits around 76-79 mph, but he tends to show it a little too much at times. Kelly’s changeup sits around 84 mph with a lot of sink. For the most part, he keeps the ball low in the zone, but he’s hittable when he leaves it up. He can also overuse his fastball. Very good mound presence. Kelly had the makings of an elite defensive shortstop before converting to pitching full time, so he should be an excellent pitcher defensively.

Anthony Rizzo:

Scouting Report: Tough-as-nails first baseman with an excellent build. Solid overall approach at the plate, good eye, quick bat speed, impressive timing. Could stand to improve protecting the plate deeper in counts. Plus gap power to all fields. Has had some trouble with advanced breaking stuff. An excellent defender with a solid arm and surprising lateral quickness for his size. Outstanding instincts and fundamentals. Said to be a leader by example and a great teammate. Rizzo was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s Lymphoma in May 2008. After receiving chemo-therapy during 2008, he was declared cancer-free in November 2008.

Reymond Fuentes:

Scouting Report: Athletic center fielder plays the game at full tilt, the type of player that will make a lot of highlight reels. Wiry frame. Line drive hitter, makes excellent contact, without a ton of present power. Should be a gap-to-gap hitter. Turns on inside pitches well. Excellent swing mechanics. Still working on pitch recognition. Plus plus speed. Excellent range and glove in the outfield, projects to stay in center. Solid instincts. Fluid, gets good jumps on the ball. Below average arm. Cousin of Carlos Beltran.

Played for Greenville (A) in 2010, hit .270 with 5 home runs and 42 stolen bases.

Honestly, I’m not completely okay with this trade. I’m kinda upset the Pads didn’t get a ML ready player in there as well. But, In Jed We Trust. Also, who’s going to play first this season? I don’t think Kyle’s going to be back until the all star break. Unless someone has heard anything about how he’s recovering from surgery. We haven’t heard about how it’s going for him, so I just assume it’ll be a while.

just tweeted it is a 4-1 with a PTBNL. start your guessing

Not too upset with the trade. Everyone’s saying we’re getting the short end of the stick but I think it’s pretty decent considering Adrian could have just walked after next year.

If you look at our top 10 prospects now, it’s stacked. From Kelly / Castro to Rizzo / Tate to Decker and a few other solid players.

On the flip side, I’m actually very happy for Adrian. I hate the Red Sox but will definitely pull for him. It’s going to be fun to watch him get catapulted in mega star status hitting in Fenway for the Yankees.

Why didn’t Jed want Lowrie? We kind of need a SS.

There are a few things you should know: Those kids numbers may look unimpressive to you but this is the way the Red Sox develop their prospects: They challenge them against much older competition. For instance, The A+ and AA teams are the youngest in their respective leagues and the Low A club is the 2nd youngest!
Casey Kelly just destroyed Advanced A last year as a 19 years old teenager. This year he was the youngest starter in the Eastern League (AA) where he was facing batters with an average age of 24.3 years but improved his velocity and his change up is almost a finished offering: He’ll be a stud, now doubt in my mind.
As for Rizzo, look at this stat:

This is what Adrian Gonzalez did for the Portland Sea Dogs as a 20-year-old in 2002: .266/.344/.437/.781, 17 HR, 96 RBI, 138 games
This is what Anthony Rizzo did for the Portland Sea Dogs as a 20-year-old in 2010, following his early-season promotion from Hi-A Salem: .263/.334/.481/.815, 20 HR, 80 RBI in 107 games

1. How do the Padres trade Adrian to the redsox and not get Jose Iglesias? SS is a major need of this club they have little to nothing in their system.
2. Rizzo is good young 1B but what does this mean for Kyle Blanks? I know he is coming off od Tommy John but are the Padres already giving up on him?
3. This move literally filled zero of the Padres holes both from a major league and a farm system standpoint…

But, this was exactly what we’ve all anticipated. Expect now with the money saved on Adrian, I wonder if the Padres could make a grab for a good 1B who may be on his way out of the league soon. Jim Thome would be wishful thinking and Paul Konerko may be way too much.

Anyways, I’m glad that we will at least get something for Adrian rather than have him at 1B for 2011 just to watch him leave for a draft pick. But if he wins MVP and a World Series next year in a Red Sox uni, I will cry.

C; Hundley
1B: TBD
2B: TBD
3B: Headley
SS: TBD
LF: Ludwick
CF: Maybin
RF: Venable

Man I hope this TBD guy can get on base!

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2010/12/04/a-look-at-what-the-red-sox-are-giving-up-for-adrian-gonzalez/

Rizzo and Kelly could be real difference makers starting in 2012 as both are on the meteor track to the bigs. Fuentes is probably 2-3 years away, probably enough time to pair him with Tate and Decker.

We definitely got two of the best prospects in their system and one high ceiling outfielder but yeah no middle infield help whatsoever. Basically the Padres could go into this season with Forsythe and Cabrera and 2B and SS, God help us all.

What is happening? I wake up and Gonzo is Gonzo and Harang is a Padre?

Where have I been… or is it all just a dream…

like pulling a band-aid off a scab.
Had it drug on all winter, and all spring, and it would of, i would have been very bitter.

Now, i have four months to heal.

It’s hard to determine how well we did on this. As it stands now though, I’m underwhelmed.

a lot less.

Or Ludwick?
and now Headley since he is a super two?

You guys will love Rizzo.

Check it!

has a decent write up.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-gonzalezredsox120410

Wonder if Passan can play second?

Wait. This could be a good thing.

Well .. you only get one shot at what i like to call “Stupid Money”, so you might as well set up your children’s grandchildren .. .. right?

I’d do it 102 times out of 100.

so would you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38wx8C7VmB4

Casey Kelly instantly becomes our #1 prospect.

for a few reasons.

1) Adrian was gone. There’s just no debating that. People can do their “woe is us” bit about being a Padre fan, but that’s just the economics of the game. And, as I’m learning as a hockey fan, a hard cap doesn’t necessarily keep these scenarios from happening either. There’s just no way the Padres can afford a $18+ M per year player. Obviously we could have got more for him last year, but we were also in the process of compiling one of the best records in club history.

2) I trust Jed. He’s aggressive and he’s got a completely different approach than KT (think unproven/“busted” prospects instead of over-the-hill vets) that I think plays well to the park and the team’s economic reality. As has been said ad nauseum, Jed is familiar with their system so I trust him to make the right decisions here.

3) It’s December 4th, for god’s sake. There’s what, 100 days until the season begins? Who knows how things are going to play out. Jed may be getting certain guys here to flip in other deals, or he may already have some ideas how he’d like to spend the money we’re freeing up.;

At any rate, it’s just too early to analyze this trade. Talk to me again in two years, and I’ll let you know what I really think. That said, the last time we traded the franchise cornerstone guy, it worked out pretty f’ing well for us.

FanGraphs Analysis

I can’t imagine the Padres without Gonzalez….much like I can’t imagine the Rockies without Helton.

I hope this turns out to not be true, because I really like AGone and love having him in the NL West….

Like making fake political signs that say something like “Kelly/Rizzo 2012”. Or “Padres for NL West Champions in 2014”

I haz disappoint in all of you