Adrian Gonzalez "I didn't have a choice in staying or leaving."
XX Sports Radio: Adrian Gonzalez Interview with Darren Smith (MP3)
- Adrian Gonzalez is back in San Diego and he's disappointed in the Chargers loss.
- Gonzalez says you have to go through the Boston media blitz to really understand it. He's looking forward to the new challenge and the rivalry with the Yankees.
- Adrian knew that if he ever did get traded that it was likely that he'd go to the Red Sox. "It didn't have to be the Red Sox, that's for sure."
- Adrian Gonzalez didn't have to walk through San Diegans at Lindbergh field on his return to San Diego. "I did not walk through that because the Red Sox fly you private, they're a little different in that sense, in a good way."
- It doesn't matter to Adrian who the Red Sox gave up in return for him.
"I'm glad that they gave up, from what I hear, three really good players that the Padres are going to get to enjoy for years to come, which is exciting for me because I'm still a Padres fan."
- Adrian defends himself against those fans that think he's greedy and doesn't care about his hometown team.
"The biggest way to even comment to that is the fact that here in San Diego they never even made an offer and I was traded. So it wasn't like I left as a free agent somewhere else. It wasn't like I turned down a certain amount of money. So the two things is that I was never made an offer and I was traded. I didn't have a choice in staying or leaving. That's the two ways I can answer that."
- Adrian thinks that those types of fans don't understand. "People don't understand that a player has zero control over a trade, they can't say yes or no unless it's in the contract."
- "I was never made an offer. I never turned down money from the Padres." If they had made him and offer he would have thought about it.
"Definitely. Yeah. It's one of those things where we knew what we were looking for but if they had made an offer it might have been one of those things that when once you have that money put in front of you, you might take it knowing that you'd be in San Diego for a long time."
- He doesn't say if he was disappointed that the Padres didn't offer him a contract. "More than likely I was going to turn it down, that was their opinion." If he was in the Padres Front Office he would have done the same thing
- "I think both sides are happy. I think from my end if I couldn't be a Padre than a Red Sox is where I want to be." The whole trade happened as professionally as he could have hoped for.
- He wants a chance to go to the World Series.
- He's going to miss the fans, the weather, being able to play at home, the playing turf, the training staff and the coaches.
- Gonzalez is rooting for the Chargers if they end up playing the Patriots in the playoffs. "I'm a Charger fan that's never going to go away for me."
- Gonzalez says that fans need to look at what the Padres are doing in the off season as a whole. With the money they are saving from Gonzalez they can get other pieces.
- Gonzalez thinks if the Padres keep a player long enough he can beat Nate Colbert's Padres home run record but playing in Petco makes it tough.
"You never know maybe I'll come back later in my career and get those two extra homers and beat it."
- He says he'll give the Padres love on the East Coast.
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It's kind of disingenuous for him to say the Padres never made him an offer.
Jed met with his agent, and Boggs made it pretty clear the type of money they were looking for, and that it would be out of the Padres’ price range.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 10, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow!
Gonzalez just threw Jed under the bus! Hoyer was VERY honest about the fact that Boggs was not flexible in terms of price and they had more than one discussion about it. Gonzalez has also been vocal about playing in a more hitter friendly park.
This is a bunch of spin by Gonzalez, I’m glad Hoyer traded him before he could LeBron San Diego.
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by Steve Adler on Dec 10, 2010 11:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You're right Adrian
The Ford dealer probably should have spent more time trying to sell you a Fiesta while you were talking to the Lamborghini salesman.
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by TheGrandHatching on Dec 10, 2010 11:52 AM PST reply actions
STFU, Jake 2.0.
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He's spinning like a top.
He also told the Mexican media that he didn’t discuss any contract numbers with the Red Sox, which is complete nonsense. I think he’s using his agent to pretend like if it went through John Boggs, then he didn’t have anything to do with it. What a load of crap.
It sounds like a page out of Cam Newton's playbook.
Where he blamed the improprieties on his dad.
It’s not good enough to ask these guys if they did this or they did that. You have to ask them specifically what did people do on their behalf.
Of course, I’m sure the next bit of spin is that they’ll just say, “You have to talk to my dadagent about that.”
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
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I a seriously disappointed in Adrian's answers.
Why not just tell it straight. He was never sign with San Diego, he knew it and everyone else knew it.
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by The Kipper on Dec 10, 2010 4:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I thought he showed a lot of class in the interview.
It was a pleasure watching him these last five years and I wish him great success. Unfortunately, the Padres made it clear they weren’t going to pay anything close to his market value. Everyone knew that the meeting between Jed and Boggs was happening more for the Padres PR purposes than any actual negotiating. The fact is, the biggest contract in Padres history was for 3 years and $52 million and they decided they had to dump it one year later. I wish he could play his entire career here, but that’s not the era we live in. If he played his entire career here, future Gaslampballers would be rating players on a scale of 0 to Adrian Gonzalez.
I could not disagree more.
For him to suggest that he might have accepted a well below market contract, if they had only written one up, is disingenuous at best. I have no issue at all with Adrian maximizing his career earnings. It is his life and his choice. My issue is his refusal to simply say that he is doing what is best, for him and his family.
by field39 on Dec 10, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that last sentences is a Wouldn't Have Happened...
Tony Gwynn did things that compare him to Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner and Ted Williams. For Adrian to have the same historical impact, he would have had to make run at the non-steroid era home run title and that obviously wasn’t going to happen playing in Petco.
by Dex on Dec 10, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
No slight to TG intended but I think AG had the potential to become a bigger Padres star.
I don’t mean future AG > TG, I mean hypothetical future fan’s perception of AG > TG. Most of that has to do with the likelihood that he would have broken sexier club offensive records. Slap hit singles will get you in the HOF and mentioned with Honus Wagner and Ty Cobb, but Camminiti got his own song and sparked a local facial hair craze.
by SeeAnFrockOh on Dec 10, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Local facial hair craze?
Pfft. Tony sparked a nationwide weight gain craze.
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by zombiecow on Dec 11, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tony Gwynn!!!!!!!!
took the SD discount for practically his entire career. Not to mention he’s easily one of the greatest hitters of all-time. Gonzalez will never be able to touch Gwynn’s greatness. Tony has the highest lifetime B.A. of any player who began their career after WWII.
Tony IS a Padre, and the greatest baseball player I have ever seen play the game. Lord, don’t ever say 0 to Adrian Gonzalez again.
by recorddigger on Dec 10, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That speech chubbed me up a little.
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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 11, 2010 2:34 AM PST up reply actions
You guys are nuts
Adrian stayed classy all the way…so did the Padres.
There was no Peavy bullshit going on here.
He’s even complimented the Padres during his Sox media introduction…jeez
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by Hormel on Dec 10, 2010 1:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Adrian didn't have to stay classy
This was all in God’s hands.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
Second take...
My first reaction was to jump all over him…but then I realized it’s a no-win situation for him. If he says he did it for the money, he’s honest but then he’s chastised for being selfish. If he tries to save face and say he would have considered a Padres offer, then he just looks disingenuous. So…either way, I’m over it.
by SDFriarFan on Dec 10, 2010 3:17 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Wow...
What a dick movie by Adrian.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Dec 10, 2010 5:32 PM PST reply actions
twss
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by The Kipper on Dec 10, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Stay classy, San Diego...
Adrian was coming up for free agency and wanted to be paid appropriately. The Padres felt like they couldn’t afford to pay him anywhere close to his worth and traded him to a team with deep pockets and that was willing to part with good prospects. All that talk is just that. Would you have rather he said, “The Padres offer was just too little for what I think I am worth.” Nobody wants to sound like that.
Let’s just thank him as he moves on out the door to a brighter future. And let’s hope that what we got back from the trade leads us to one as well.
by charmeljun on Dec 10, 2010 5:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Thanks Adrian
Thanks for letting us know that with the money saved, the Padres can get more pieces. A whole 5 million dollars worth of pieces. Wow….where should we go first? Sharper Image? Maybe Build-A-Bear? Go enjoy your champagne wishes and caviar dreams on your 20 million dollar raise.
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No, it's not $5 million, it's $6.3 million
Instead of a 36 year old former star, we can get a 34 year old former star.
by wegotballsley on Dec 10, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
See, now I not only take issue with him being a greedy SOB
but a LYING greedy SOB who couldn’t even face up to Padres fans in the terminal at Lindbergh Field.
Mind you, nowhere in his spiel does he say that we would’ve accepted or at least strongly considered accepting an offer from San Diego, and Boggs came outright and said that the Padres couldn’t pay his client enough to keep him around.
Come clean, Adrian. Come out and say, “You know, as much as I like San Diego, I just don’t think I can win a World Series there, which is what I really want. And have you seen how much Boston is offering me? Holy shit, I am one rich bastard. Ain’t it grand?”
Can’t hurt any more than it alread does.
The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.
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anger/grief typo
The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.
If I had a nickel from every SBN blog that has banned me, Arrowhead Pride would owe me 5¢.
by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 10, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
He didn't lie. He was technically correct, but disingenuous.
The key point is Petco. Even if the Padres could have paid 8-years/$161-million or whatever, AND had enough to put a contending team around him, he’d still be a fool to stay. He’ll put up monster numbers in Fenway and the AL East, numbers he couldn’t dream of achieving in Petco in particular, and the NL generally.
As that Petco review plainly stated, it caters to the affluent fan – it was built for revenue, not baseball considerations. The architect didn’t know squat about baseball or San Diego’s climate.
There’s the RF corner wall that didn’t have a railing, the visitor’s bullpen on the field in foul territory instead of behind a fence, the enlarged right field for the wind that blows that way during the rainy season when baseball isn’t played, the CF batter’s eye that had to be extended because it didn’t cover a LH pitcher throwing off the end of the rubber, the batter’s eye itself, that is a lighter color blue than the fence, has ornamental trees and contrasting black slits and is stepped instead of a solid wall hitting background that should be all-black. Then there’s the salty, humid marine air that prevents fly balls from carrying but holds up line drive doubles long enough for outfielders to turn them into outs.
Bottom line, Petco is a poor baseball field built in the wrong place. If the Chargers want a downtown stadium, how about swapping Petco for Qualcomm? The Padres can re-open the enclosed east end and modify the Q like the Angels did with the Big A after the Rams left. The Chargers can build a 60,000 seat stadium and make money catering to the affluent and attracting Superbowls every other year, and never get blacked out again.
I am sick to death of this kick The Padres out of Petco crap.
You cannot do it is not going to happen, EVER.
Wrong on every point
and the Q is a piece of crap that would take the cost of two stadiums to “modify.”
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 10, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Doublespeak
The Padres have never made anyone offers. Ever. Anyone who says so is probably a traitor… or worse… a tourist.
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I love how Adrian and Jake
both said something to the effect of “Who knows, maybe I’ll come back and finish my career there,” as if they are revered in the history of the organization. No thanks, guys. We’ll pass on watching you play in San Diego when your careers are winding down when we could have watched you play in your prime.
I'd love to see Adrian fail to win a championship with Boston.
Then he can sign as a cheap vet pinch hitter for us when we win 8 or so years from now. Win-win.
by Rich Garcia's defective eyes on Dec 11, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I am sitting in the Virtual Waiting Room while you all whinge.....
What is the Virtual Waiting Room? It is the room Red Sox fans must sit in to buy tickets at the (ridiculously high) price, charged by the Red Sox. One can sit in the Virtual Waiting Room all day and still not get to buy any tickets. Of course, yes, we can buy tickets on Stub Hub for even ridiculously higher prices than those charged by the franchise.
Do Padre fans have to sit in a Virtual Waiting Room? Nope, they don’t. It’s probably pretty easy to get Padre tickets, and I’m sure Adrian Gonzalez played many games in a half-full (if that) stadium. And, I’ll bet those Padre tickets don’t cost as much as Red Sox tickets. So, you all had years to watch AG play, at a reasonable cost, whenever you wanted to.
Have you ever thought that players like AG might sometimes want to play to sell-out crowds? And enjoy life in a baseball-obsessed community? San Diego undoubtedly has many charms — the weather, the natural beauty, and fans like yourself. I wish your team well, and hope that Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentas pan out.
But for me, it’s back to the Virtual Waiting Room…..
by sadsox on Dec 11, 2010 10:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea what point you're trying to make
Or why you came here to make it.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
by Mad_Villain on Dec 11, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Whinge?
Is that like whining and cringing? Did you make that up while wasting your day trying to buy tickets in December for games next year? If you have to buy tickets now for those games and had enough time to write here, I think you waited too long. Plus, I think we got Fuentes. I’d say I hate being Officer Correction, but frankly, when people come around waving thier money, they can shove it. Plus, I think the point he’s trying to make is that it’s our fault. Too bad Adrian wasn’t just the Chase Headley type. Affordable and somewhat reliable. We might have had him forever. Just enjoy your new toy and stop showing off your wallet size.
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by Friar Fever on Dec 11, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
"Boston is better. Boston fans are better. Adrian deserved better."
But s/he wishes us well, though. So no hard feelings.
Oh, and also something stupid about a Virtual Waiting Room.
by Dalton on Dec 11, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not in the slightest.
I was paraphrasing.
I’m sure Adrian Gonzalez played many games in a half-full (if that) stadium.
baseball-obsessed community
Have you ever thought that players like AG might sometimes want to play to sell-out crowds?
For the record
I don’t care that Adrian got traded, except in a vague, macro “baseball is unfair” kind of way. And I don’t blame Jed. I just want to know that he (1) has a sound strategy to put the team in a position to win the WS and (2) sticks to it.
Maybe an online community full of highly dedicated Padres fans
is not the place to accuse the Padres fanbase of being apathetic.
The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 11, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Great point or greatest point ever?
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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 11, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
It gets me REALLY annoyed.
All these self-righteous Sox fans coming over from OTM— where on the day of, they were rejoicing about the bargain-basement price they got from Adrian— and chastising us for not supporting our team enough.
Henceforth, all who take that standpoint shall be met with the following:

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 11, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Enjoy your waiting. I'll enjoy not paying ten grand for my season tickets...
… and add another piece of evidence to Case File #3781: All Red Sox Fans Are Jackasses.
I don't get the Lebron Gonzalez stuff
with the salary cap in the NBA, he would’ve received the same max deal with whatever team he signed with. What Lebron did to Cleveland is completely different that what Adrian did to San Diego. Adrian didn’t walk in free agency, and he didn’t demand a trade. And even if he walked as a free agent, I don’t see whats wrong with earning what you’re worth.
Agreed...
I get some people are butt hurt, but seriously, he deserves to get paid what he’s worth. And it’s not like he went on TV with an hour long special about signing with a different team during free agency (there’s a special place in hell for LeBron). He was traded away by OUR team with little say in the matter beyond telling the Padres what he wanted and them shopping him accordingly.
by athletics68 on Dec 11, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Egg?
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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 11, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Bland.
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by Jordan_Ming on Dec 11, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Oh it's so cute.
She sometimes take a little pack of mayonnaise and she’ll squirt it in her mouth. And then she’ll take an egg and kind of mm mm mm.She calls it a mayonegg.
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i hate that we always lose our best players
But I’m glad Adrian didn’t take the San Diego discount. Tony Gwynn got pretty screwed when he was here. Have you seen some of the horrible contracts he was willing to sign all in the name of being loyal? There should be no San Diego Discount concept anymore. If I were a free agent id just be like "how about you pay me the 40 million a year youve been pocketing in revenue sharing. "
Anyway….ill miss Adrian….but im glad he didnt waste his time with an ownership who cant afford a team, a ballpark that would have kept babe ruth out of the hall of fame, and a city that let petco park sit as a basin of concrege for 4 years because we just dont care that much.
Ive been a Padre/charger fan for all of my cogniscent 31 years and i think its time for me to finally accept that this is just a place that athletes come to get crapped on and leave before getting a championship.
How about that for an ill-contructed rant? Good luck Adrian.
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by cubbuster on Dec 12, 2010 11:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Well, that's one way to look at it.
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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 12, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, Tony The Gwynn got exactly what he wanted.
He liked playing in San Diego, Jack Murphy, San Diego Jack Murphy, Qualcomm Stadium. He liked living in Poway and raising his kids with solid middle class values outside of manic, big-money baseball cities. I remember reading that Tony was seen with young Anthony at a discount sporting goods store, buying Anthony a baseball glove. He could have gotten one free with a phone call, but wanted to teach his kids the value of money. Imagine ANY ballplayer being able to do that – walk freely to a store without being mobbed – in Boston, NY, Chicago, or even LA.
Tony took less money to play where he wanted. He also made over $80 million in his career. He had enough invested to live the way he wants and to give his daughter a huge wedding, and along the way, got to coach his old college team, got to coach his son there, got in the Hall of Fame, has “Tony Gwynn Way” named after him, and a statue in the new ballpark. That’s a pretty good life path, don’t you think?
by wegotballsley on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
He’s probably doing okay now, but he did file for bankruptcy early in his career. His first agent ripped him off.
I was in the New York area (Westchester) in the mid 1990s
and used to see Yankee, Rangers, and Met players fairly often.
Jimmy Key played in the local mens basketball league on Wednesday nights. I saw Joe Torre having breakfast numerous times; Boggs and O’Neil in the village market; John Orlerud on the train; etc.
The Rangers practice facility was nearby and there was a small bar in town they would stop in from time to time. I don’t remember their names except for Messier.
Anyway, the point is that the situation you describe is not unique to Poway.
should have bought him a bat
“I remember reading that Tony was seen with young Anthony at a discount sporting goods store, buying Anthony a baseball glove”.
by texpadre on Dec 12, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oh, snap. yo.
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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 12, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
I would have said Football. Should have bought him a football
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Now that Adrian is gone
can we talk about the “elephant in the room”?
I wish Adrian his best, and wish the Padres could have a $170M payroll that i required to keep him and build a contender, but baseball economics is what is.
But even if we did get our $85M payroll and signed him to close to market deal….I would be worried about his body-type keeping up. Every year Adrian would come into the season in ’okay" shape, and then it would get worse during the year. He also go ZERO rest, so watching him bat in August was always painful.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
This is why the cost of signing someone like Adrian is greater than it looks.
You wind up paying market value for the first three or four years and well over market value in the last half of the contract. The cold hard reality is that you cannot sign someone to a 8 year 160, unless you are capable of eating the last half of the deal.
by field39 on Dec 13, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agree 1 Gazillion percent
and that is where I think the casual fan (vs. us who spend way too much time on baseball refference, fangraphs, etc), see what the Padres had to do, and what Adrian had to do.
Sure it is good to sign the adrian for the last 3 years at $25M per if we had a little bit bigger payroll, but the Adrian in the last 2-3 years would kill any hope of being competitive. Plus it double compounds the problem because we would be less aggressive in the amateur market.
Boston/NYY can afford to have a few JD. Drew contracts or Hall as $9M backup and build around their core and stay aggressive in the amature market.
Small-mid market teams, need to build a good core and hope they don’t make any mistakes with mid-long term money. If they do then the set the franchise back a few years.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
cannot bash Adrian
I am sure he was conflicted, but, come on, there is no way in hell the Padres were going to try to sign him. We would have flinched at $10m/year, except that we could trade him away because it was cheap. No way we can invest 20-30% of our payroll in one player, especially a non-skill position like 1B.
The cause of this is the inequities in spending potential across the markets. I have run analyses and spending to market size is .90 correlated.
Everyone is cool with that: big market owners/fans like it, because they get to have an advantage and get the entertainment of getting to beating the weaker teams. Fun, fun.
Small market owners are doing fine from an ROI basis, especially with the rev share dollars coming in. The only people who get screwed are small market fans. Us.
I think MLB is killing itself slowly. Interest in the small market teams will wane as they cannot compete effectively year after year. Eventually it will have the fan base engagement of hockey and NBA. Strong in some cities, but weak overall. The NFL has figured this out and has become entrenched in making that our true national sport.
MLB has had 8 different World Series champions this decade
The NFL can’t match that.
You're right
The NFL has had 0 World Series champions this decade.
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by TheGrandHatching on Dec 15, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
IJALA
Rec’d accordingly
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by TheThinGwynn on Dec 15, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
yes...
But not correlated to market size.
MLB Champs (with DMA market in parantheses):
SFN (6)
NYA (1)
PHL (4)
BOS (7)
STL (21)
CHA (3)
BOS (7)
MIA (17)
LAA (2)
PHX (12)
STL is a bigger MLB market because there are so few other Midwest teams. Arizona and Florida are the “small market” winners.
The list in the NFL include Pittsburg, Indy, Tampa, New Orleans, Baltimore, St. Louis along with big markets Boston, NY.
You do have perennial winners, such as New England, but that seems very correlated with GM and coaching talent and finding a core QB. These seem to be of limited quantity in the NFL and franchises that have it tend to win more more often, but it is not economics driving that trend. They have a cap. And the level of coaching changes you see is much higher than GM changes in baseball, reflective of the perception that everyone has a chance to win. In baseball, it is harder discern the GM skill vs. spending handicap.
Well, how many championships are you expecting
the 6 or so small market teams to win every decade? If they make up about 20% of the teams in MLB, and they win 20% of the time, then that sounds about right.
If I go back 30 years, I get the same results. There are more MLB champions than NFL champions. Ditto if I include WS and SB losers.
Also, you need to be careful with DMA numbers.
In the Washington-Boston corridor, team loyalties do not match up neatly with television markets.
And in Chicago, the White Sox are at about a 3 to 1 disadvantage to the Cubs. The Giants lose a portion of their market to the A’s.
DMA does correlate to spending very well
So, OK, yes, but if the numbers are there, the advertisers are there, so the dollars are there in TV deals, so the money is there to spend.
Not sure of your math. The top 7 DMAs have won 70% of the last 10 WS, while the bottom 23 DMA’s won 30%.
So top 23% win 70% while bottom 77% wins 30%. That is not fine with me.
And only STL was from the lower 15 (50%) and they spend like a top 10-15 club because their effective TV market is bigger (the DMA under estimates their earning power) b/c so many midwest markets carry the Cardinals, much more so than KC.
I'll start a thread on this so we can continue the conversation
You make some very good points, but I disagree on several of them.
The biggest problem is in how a large, middle and small market is defined.
You are including the Giants as one of the top TV markets in the country. Do the Oakland A’s, across the bay also qualify as one of the top US markets? They are in the same TV market.
I can go back 30 years and show more MLB teams going and/or winning the WS than the NFL going and/or winning the Super Bowl.
I will start a new thread tomorrow morning.
I enjoy the dialogue and debate.
Regards
Strummer
Here you go:
http://www.gaslampball.com/2010/12/16/1881075/nfl-parity-myth
I look forward to your input


























