Chris Denorfia is not yet 30, therefore he will be a Padre in 2011
by Dex on Dec 1, 2010 11:44 AM PST
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PrintOK so it's not a "firesale" per se.
It's more like a foreclosure. We bought something we thought we could afford and then we did all kinds of cool fancy stuff to it to make it look all modern and desirable. And then suddenly we realized that we were on an ARM as opposed to a fixed rate and now we're getting foreclosed and all those cool little older bits that we made awesome are going to the neighbors and the bank.
Chris Denorfia is technically not 30 years old yet just turned 30 so he was spared the knife. Jed Hoyer is young and he wants youngies around him. Are you old? You're probably not going to be a Padre next year. Do you remind Jed of something old? Maybe not a Padre.
Are you young and dynamic? You're here another year.
You know what this reminds me of?
Damn straight. Menudo, bitches.
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I don't like it any better than you do, pal.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
well
hello there stranger.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Dec 2, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Only Menudo...
Plus, I’m young and dynamic. I can be bought cheap. I own a glove. Sign me Jed!
"Well, it's just ineffable." "Oh, so I'm not 'F-able'?" "No, no, ineffable means it can't be explained." "So I'm stupid?"
I don't hate Deno
Gaslamp Ball Game OT: "Makes you happy in the pants"
"Even Jedis don't stand a chance against our bullpen."
I like that he kinda looks like every panting of Ponce De Leon
"You're like the nicest internet person I know." - theodore donald kerabatsos
by Jordan_Ming on Dec 1, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
holy crap you're right!
that’s amazing!!!
He looks like a Panting Ponce?
Dude needs to work on his cardio.
Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.
I like the nickname better than the player.
I don’t dislike him; I nothing him.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
Deno=Savior Jr
Not really but it just sounds right in a sarcastic way.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Dec 1, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think Hold Me would've been a better choice
"Way to be all matchy, f________." - TTG's Awesome Friend
by Winfield's Ghost on Dec 1, 2010 12:31 PM PST reply actions
So that leaves us with
Maybin, Veneable, Ludwick, Deno, and one of the following Gwynn/Hairston/Cunningham as our 5 outfielders. I could easily see them still keeping Gwynn with Cunningham back in AAA.
TBD
possibly kyle blanks too
If I pick it, I flick it
by Duke Street Kings on Dec 2, 2010 6:14 AM PST up reply actions
Maybin better be the second coming
of Tony Gwynn, Sr.
Otherwise, I fear for Jed Hoyer’s safety.
Also, I need to see what the free agent market looks like for middle infielders. Are “blobs” allowed to play baseball?
I just worry
that the deals wont be around this year. With the perception that the economy is turning around, franchises are back to making the kind of stupid free-agent decisions that they made before.
We built last years team on the back of misplayed free-agent negotiations. I don’t see that there this year.
I do not understand all the hand wringing
over rent a vets going on their way. The issue is not a couple of mediocre vets moving on to their next pay day. The issue is the lack of a young talented core.
I think it's just hard
For people to once again watch a mass exodus of players who were key to the Padres success this year. That said the majority of the losses so far were outside the Pads control. Garland wanted out, Tejada wanted more money than his old roid addled body is worth (and he found a sucker in San Francisco). Yorvit never wanted to be here in the first place, we were a last resort option last spring. As for those threatening to go we’ve got Hairston who wants to be overpaid, Correia who is not that great of a player, and of course Adrian who rightfully deserves the kind of money only the Yankees or Red Sox can provide.
This was always comming
Even during last years euphoria I worried about the fact that every single one of our “young” core was under performing . Cabrera, Venable, Blanks all crapped out last year. The only exception was Latos, but with all of those “misses” I didn’t see much hope on the horizon.
by AYEq on Dec 1, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Venable's performance
Is not comparable to Cabrera or Blanks. If you look at what Venable did in 2010 he was an asset (if not a very large one) to the team whereas Cabrera and Blanks did not help teams win any more gains than your typical minor league callup would.
At this point Venable is good enough to justify keeping him around, but not good enough to justify ever giving him much of a pay raise.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Wow
Can’t believe that Venable was the third most valuable player on the padres last year. Is there a site that can give month by month WAR. IIRC much of his offensive value came in the last month or so of the season.
Venable is a tremendously talented ballplayer.
If he can harness it we got really good player. I take some hope in how the shorter swing really started to produce results the final month of the season until he got sidetracked by an injury. Much like Maybin, Venable is the kind of player we need to be taking chances on.
Cabrera probably isn’t that a great a baseball player. I’d like to improve at SS but the pickings are slim this year.
I don’t think Blanks ever developed a mental approach to hitting. He’s just pretty much a “if it looks good, swing” type of hitter. I remember Quis or Weisbarth asking a question about hitting in an interview once and I could detect a little panic and a faint “Dog ate my homework” look on his face.
"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
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I'm a big fan of Venable
and I also think it’s way too early to write of Cabrera and Blanks. Both struggled badly before injuries but unfortunately they never got a chance to right the ship. I think they both need more reps before we can make a real assessment on their overall talents. Both have pretty big upside, hopefully one will pan out.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Dec 1, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
I may not sound like it...
but I am a fan too. Venable would have been the best CF replacement last year when TGJr went down.
Now, I don’t understand why so many have given up on cabrera. Do we forget how young he is? I wish that he would have at least gotten more time in AAA last year.
There was a decent FanGraphs article that pointed out Cabrera's hitting shortcomings
It was convincing enough to me that even with large improvements he’ll have trouble being a quality hitter. When you combine with the fact that he has a lot of work to do on defense and he already has 2 years of major league service time it gets tough to project him as a future starter in SD.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
A couple caveats with Venable
Part of that value comes from defense. The statistics used to value defense are advanced, but a little sketchy in the accuracy area. So it could be off there, but the eyeball test says he’s a plus defender. Especially in RF.
The other thing is that his offensive value is good enough for the majors, but the reason he looks bad to us is that the Padres had him miscast as the 2nd or 3rd best offensive player for most of the season. That’s too much of a load for him to carry if you are expecting to finish somewhere other than the bottom half of the league in runs scored.
Put him in RF, bat him 6th or 7th for a team with 3 or 4 better hitters and some good OBP guys sprinkled in and you can call him a valuable part of a good offense. Could you find someone better? Probably, but they’ll be much more expensive.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
Another way to look at it.
He’s not that much worse that Cody Ross. And we all saw what Cody Ross can do in the right situation.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
I think you're using "key" a little different than I would
Mat Latos, Heath Bell, Clayton Richard, Adrian Gonzalez, Chase Headley and Will Venable were the top contributors to the team in 2010 (I didn’t just randomly pick those names, by the numbers they were the players that contributed the most value according to FanGraphs’ WAR). A lot of these other guys were on the periphery and were aging.
One issue I have with people getting upset over losing a lot of these players is that they were on 1 year deals. I mean, what do you expect? If the team signs a guy to be a 1 year rental, you should be expecting them to be just that. Any hoopla over them leaving after their deal is up comes off as someone looking for reasons to find a story where there isn’t one.
Like field39 said. Until you have players coming from the minors that become starters, then you have to suffer through the annual shuffle of rentals. We’re a small market and pretending like we’re not only gets your feelings hurt.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
i hope jed is a genius
cuz he has quite a task
i doubt the payroll moves much over the next few years, so we will see Adrian, Heath and some others go
we will be betting on the farm developing and maybin type of trades
it is what you have to do, if you are going to cap your payroll that low
so jed better work some magic on the draft and on trades, or we are going to go into the Oakland As’ slumber. not bad, but not competitive for at least 3-5 years, assuming the player/development path works; if we guessed materially wrong, then longer
WORLD SERIES CHAMPS IN 2011!
"I'll tell you about it because I am here and you are distant."
by The Kipper on Dec 1, 2010 10:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The D Man with the game winning hit.
"Get your hopes up. That's what hopes are for by the way, to get up. You don't get your hopes down, you get your hopes up." -Jeffrey Tambor
Just after midnight on my 21st birthday,
April 5, 2010 (also known as MLB Opening Day), I proclaimed, on camera, that the Padres were “gonna win the f_____g World Series, bitch.”
I hope you’re better at predicting things than I am!
I need new pants.
Can we afford Dickie Thon to come back and play SS?
geez, enough with the payroll starting with a “4” shit! Im wondering if our success from this past year will be Moorad’s reasoning every year that a team can compete with a payroll in the 40’s and we dont need to get into the 70’s
If I pick it, I flick it
by Duke Street Kings on Dec 2, 2010 6:19 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
To get back into the 70s
I assume we’ll also need to see similar attendance figures as the team had in 2004-2006 as well as probably a new TV deal. Until those things happen, I can’t claim that they could spend more.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
We should offer a HUGE HUGE HUGE deal
to Jeter.
Just to say #% you to the Yankees.
Seriously, we should publicly announce that we are willing to give him $20 million a year for 3 years.
I don’t think he would ever sign with us, but I do think it would cause the Yankees all sorts of headaches.
How could this backfire? :)
If they hadn't traded for Maybin
I’d have really questioned the goings on.
The National League West title was all but a lock,
Then they lost 10 in a row, ‘twas like a punch in the jock!
Bolts from the Blue - General Manager: It is what it isn't
LOL, Menudo? Moar liek Men-You-Do, am I rite?
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Dec 2, 2010 4:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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