Adrian Gonzalez says he won't take a San Diego discount in order to protect the market for other players
by jbox on Nov 9, 2010 1:10 PM PST
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- Adrian had his labrum repaired two weeks ago. He will start shoulder surgery rehab on Wednesday. He won't be able to swing a bat for 4 or 5 months.
- His shoulder bothered him all season. He stopped trying to hit home runs because of the shoulder pain.
- Adrian doesn't like to get caught up in trade rumors. He likes to go with the flow and he plans to start the season with the Padres. "I don't have to feel anything. I just have to listen to what they [the Padres] say. They do what they do. If they don't say anything then I'm a Padre. Know what I mean?"
- "I would say it was very disappointing the way it came down at the end. The way we pretty much gave it away. I firmly believe we could have done what the Giants did, because we were pretty much the same team. The only difference is that they had more experience."
- "I wouldn't say we blew it, it's baseball and things happen. I firmly believe if Jed does his magic again we could be in the same position next year."
- It will be hard for the Padres to recapture the same magic. It will be hard for the Giants to repeat what they did as well.
- Adrian told his agent that he wants to sign a market value contract not just for himself but for younger players. Other players set the market for him and he will be setting the market for others.
"In essence, if I take what you call a 'San Diego discount' then I'm affecting their market. I'm affecting what they are going to make. It's a lot like real estate."
"That's the reason why. The way the game of baseball is set up, we have to protect each other. We have to do what's best for each other."
- Adrian follows the Chargers every day, but he hasn't gone to games because if he's on his feet too long his shoulder starts to ache.
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Can't swing a bat for 4-5 months?
That means he might miss Spring Training. Is that what he said?
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He said 4 or 5 months. I guess he'll miss some of Spring Training.
That’s why I don’t think he’ll be traded until other teams see that he can swing a bat again and why I’m confident he’ll at least start the season with the Pads.
That was thanks to the awesomeness
that is Kenny Williams. I don’t think he’ll come riding to our rescue again.
…or will he?
My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 9, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
I have no issue with athletes collecting the max availalbe for their services.
What bothers me are statements like:
It’s not about the money.
I am not doing it for me, I am protecting the market.
Just once I want to hear:
Did you see what they offered me? I would have to be out of my mind to turn down that much money. Holy f__k, I am one rich mother F_____.
by field39 on Nov 9, 2010 1:41 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Reminds me of Kevin Brown
who talked about wanting to play closer to home (Georgia), and then took a $105 million contract with the Dodgers.
by Darklighter on Nov 9, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me of why unions suck
Don't hate the game, hate the nerds!
by thenerdhater on Nov 9, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this.
I don’t mind if it’s about the money, just say it’s about the money. Don’t give us horse s__t about how much you love your clubhouse and coaches and whatnot and want to stay with your current team. If you really did love it so much, you could easily stand to take a few million less to stay there.
My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 9, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
If Adrian wants what he believes is market value, then fine. But he shouldn’t say he’s not going to take the SDD to protect other players. That’s just bull.
Where in the world is Khalil?
by TheVinylCrocodile on Nov 9, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he believes it
I don’t think its true though. Players who are FAs basically have their salaries determined by an auction process. If I get a great deal on something it has no effect on the next auction.
AG was coached to say - I'm doing it for my bro's
it sounds better than – see ya later cheapskates
Has Norv been fired yet?
by Hormel on Nov 9, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"if he's on his feet too long his shoulder starts to ache."
You’re doing it wrong.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Nov 9, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He also has trouble reading books. If he does it too long, his foot falls asleep.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 9, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Adrian Gonzalez now has trouble playing video games
If he plays too long, then his nose starts to itch.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 9, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Adrian Gonzalez now has trouble spitting mad rhymes.
If he raps too long, then his knee cramps up.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 9, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Adrian Gonzalez now has trouble IM-ing.
If he types too long, then he gets a dry throat.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 9, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Adrian Gonzalez now has trouble baking bread.
If he kneads too long, then his eyes get watery.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 9, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Adrian Gonzalez now has trouble playing patty-cake.
If he does it too long, then he gets a stomachache.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
by sdchicken on Nov 9, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If it's like real estate
I can only hope his bubble doesn’t burst before we sell
"Well, it's just ineffable." "Oh, so I'm not 'F-able'?" "No, no, ineffable means it can't be explained." "So I'm stupid?"
Bye bye
Adrian gets the majority of his RBIs when the Padres are either way ahead or way behind. He is the opposite of clutch.
That was a very convincing statistical breakdown.
by field39 on Nov 9, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not a professional statistician
Sorry, I don’t have numbers available, because statistics on “clutch hitting” are not readily available. Its an observation I’ve made from watching just about every televised game since dude has been a Padre. He’s better than Phil Nevin, I’d give you that. If Nevin got two strikes, he was done due to very poor sports psychology skills. Adrian is only slightly better.
If you are able to find a statistic that shows his batting average with RISP when an RBI would either tie or be the go-ahead run, I can confidently predict his numbers will be around the Mendoza line. I learned to have zero faith in AG when his at-bat could produce the tie or go-ahead. Prove me wrong, Mr. Stats.
#clutchisamyth
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Scroll down to where it says "Clutch Stats"
Adrian has actually been pretty consistently badass accross the board in all “Clutch” Categories.
In Late and Close Situations which are defined as “PA in the 7th or later with the batting team tied, ahead by one, or the tying run at least on deck.” his OPS is .890 over his CAREER.
Your statement is patently false.
Adrian’s WPA in 2010 alone was 5th among all batters in the major leagues. He most certainly did help the Padres win games.
My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 9, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
You have been Wonkoed!
Er . . . Dugout and Zached!
This is a terrible thing for the Padres. - Jerry Coleman
by Padres_Hobo on Nov 10, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
WPA is a junk stat.
Wonk’d.
Like RBIs for nerds.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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It's useful enough in certain contexts.
He claimed Adrian only made meaningless contributions when the Padres were already far behind or ahead. The fact that he was top 5 in WPA shows otherwise.
My name is Guybrush Threepwood, and I'm a mighty pirate.
"How appropriate! You fight like a cow!"
Faceless slider-tossing goofs FTW.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 12, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
i'm not a statistician either
but anyone can look up stats on yahoo. his slash stats were .317/.563/.439 with 2 outs with runners in scoring position. with RISP in general he hit .407/.570/.712.
i am a Giants fan, and I shat myself every time this guy stepped into the box regardless of the situation. if those stats above aren’t clutch then i don’t know what clutch is.
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
Thanks Adrian
the statement about taking more money for younger players is so bogus. I would think that the city of San Diego means more to Adrian to younger players that he doesn’t know.
I’m just hoping Adrian doesn’t call up ESPN for an hour special…
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Nov 9, 2010 6:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If he does, I'll laugh
I’ll also die a little inside, but it’ll at least be funny. I might even watch it.
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
I agree
Its a nice excuse to sound as non-controversial as possible I guess… but Adrian signing a for a “discounted” 14-17M per season would certainly not hurt younger players and also certainly would not undo what Teixeira and Howard have done to the market for 1B.
If he wanted to hang around he could, I don’t blame him for wanting to see what’s out there, but using that as his excuse is embarassing to me as a San Diego fan. Just say it man…you want fair compensation for your abilities and you want to see what ungodly things you could do outside of Petco.
Yeah...
I’ll miss Adrian. Maybe they can all figure something out, though. No sense worrying about that day just yet. :-)
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
How far is he from Colbert's record?
"Get your hopes up. That's what hopes are for by the way, to get up. You don't get your hopes down, you get your hopes up." -Jeffrey Tambor
Poor Nate Colbert
I wish the Padres org would do more to honor him. :-(
Ehhhh, I don't deserve a signature...
If we trade him, I hope it's done before he breaks Colbert's record.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Meh
Sure, he’s most likely rationalizing his self-interest, but there’s nothing surprising about it.
If I were interviewing him though I would ask him why, in an era when the best baseball (or basketball, or football) players are largely perceived by the fans and the media as money-hungry journeymen, he feels that the best thing he can do for younger players is to protect their market value… as if the idea of the “big payday” in baseball is somehow in jeopardy.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Nov 10, 2010 10:00 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
No one calls Mick Jagger greedy
Or Harrison Ford, Will Farrel, Halle Berry, etc. No one calls .Steve Jobs or Warren Buffett greedy either.
Only in sports is someone who seeks their best possible pay, considered greedy.
If Mick Jagger left the Stones for another band
there would be a lot of angry Stones fans…plain and simple.
And Steve Jobs doesn’t tell the world he’s selling overpriced computers to help out the kids either.
There’s a loyalty thing with Adrian. He was raised in San Diego and he’s our best player. I don’t fault him for going and getting paid, just do it in a classy way and don’t lie to me telling me it’s for the younger players.
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Nov 10, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 11, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
It's not just the money, it's Petco too.
Adrian has the ability and a chance to put up huge HOF numbers, but not at Petco. He WAS honest before, when he said “I just want to be paid what I deserve” and he was jumped for saying that. He should have added that he could be more productive if that right field fence had been moved in 15 feet and lowered to 8 feet.
When Pujols clobbers a pitch to right, goes into his homerun trot and then looks stunned that the ball was caught well short of the fence, it’s a clear sign that Petco’s right field is WAY too big. When a LH power hitter has to hit mostly opposite field to hit a homer in his own park, he’s playing in the wrong ballpark. No LH power hitter will want to play Petco, so why should the one we’ve got want to stay?
I don't know if "productive" is the right word
You move in the right field fence and the opposing hitters get to hit it out as well. Unless you’re talking about a fence that we could switch between innings, which would be sweet. He’d provide the same amount of productivity (assuming that productivity is measured base on much he helps his team win) its just that his raw numbers would increase.
No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.
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