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Padres can't match Adrian Gonzalez's salary expectations; Mets GM Alderson will make DePodesta appealing offer

XX Sports Radio: Jed Hoyer Interview (MP3) with Darren Smith

  • Hoyer is starting to have meaningful discussions, "things will start happening very soon".
  • MLB changed all the significant off season dates, which forces teams to make decisions quicker.  Hoyer thinks it is great thing for everybody since there will be more early signings and less guys hanging during Spring Training.
  • Hoyer was not surprised by Jon Garland or Yorvit Torrealba becoming free agents. Hoyer talked to both of their agents.  "It was pretty clear they had good seasons and wanted to test the market. They feel like that was their best option.  It didn't surprise me.  It's their right."  They were willing to walk away from the one year option they had with the Padres.
  •  The Padres will certainly continue to talk to Chris Young about coming back.
  • As for picking up Adrian Gonzalez's option. "Adrian's decision was probably the easiest in baseball."
  • The Padres had a one year mutual option with Jon Garland for $6.75 million.  He was looking for a multiple year deal in free agency.  Hoyer does have interest in possibly signing him if he doesn't get a better offer from another team. They'll continue to talk.

Star-divide

  • The Padres spend a lot of time putting together their wish list in free agency, but other teams can offer players more money so they can very easily lose them.  "We're always going to be active late and always looking for bargains late, but that doesn't mean you don't want to be aggressive and have guys you target early on."  Last year they made significant signings late in the winter.
  • Matt Stairs is a possibility next year.  He struggled in the first half but in the second half he was very good.  Buddy Black did a great job of putting him in at the right time.  The Padres will talk to him.
  • Jed Hoyer has a better feel for the organization and personnel this year.
  • Pitching and defense is going to win in this ballpark.  The bench will be a big part of the team's success.
  • A lot of the Giants' acquisitions turned out well for them.  The story of the Giants was their homegrown pitching.
  • Hoyer talked to Young for a long time the other day.  They may have to get "creative" with his contract in order to figure it out.
  • Tim Stauffer earned a spot in next years rotation.  "I don't see any reason why we wouldn't let him do it again."
  • Hoyer isn't sure if Corey Luebke will be a 5th starter or in AAA.  He needs some more experience and seasoning.
  • Hoyer met with Adrian Gonzalez's agent yesterday and talked through his contract situation. 
    "I guess to sum it up, nothing has really changed since we sat down last year and nor did I expect it to.  I think that Adrian went out and had another terrific season.  I think at this point with a year away from free agency I think Adrian's desire is to go out after a franchise player type contract.  That's his right and I certainly don't begrudge him at all. He is pretty close to free agency and that's something he wants to explore.  At this point it's a near certainty that he at least explores free agency.  I think that's what I expected before going to lunch and that was confirmed."

    The San Diego Discount was not discussed.  His agent was talking about a Mark Teixeira type contract and the Padres are not one of the teams that can afford that.  "Based on our conversation yesterday, what we could do and where they were looking weren't really matching up." 
  • Adrian will most likely start the season at first base and hit in the 3rd spot.  They will continue to listen to trade offers.  The trade would have to make sense for the Padres.  He thinks Adrian will be a Padre in 2011.
  • Hoyer thinks Heath Bell will get a substantial raise in arbitration that he deserves.  They will continue to listen to trade offers if it makes sense for the Padres future.  Hoyer won't compare Adrian and Bell.
  • Hoyer thinks Mike Adams and Luke Gregerson could be closers.  Ryan Webb might be able to do it with more experience.
  • Hoyer has similar thoughts on Kyle Blanks and Everth Cabrera.  They both were injury prone and had ineffective seasons.  They both will be considered as depth rather than in starting roles.
  • The team will look very familiar next year.
  • Though many people focus on offense, Hoyer is focused on the rotation.
  • Mat Latos, Tim Stauffer and Clayton Richard are the only guys that can be penciled in right now.
  • Sandy Alderson asked permission to talk to Paul DePodesta.  Hoyer is sure that Alderson will make an appealing offer to DePodesta.  Hoyer hopes that DePo will stay, but he wants to give him the space to make the decision.
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    See ya Adrian

    Nice having you here in San Diego

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    by TheAxManCometh on Nov 4, 2010 8:29 PM PDT reply actions  

    Unfortunately it sure appears that way

    UNLESS WE WIN THE WORLD SERIES NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Which probably won’t happen. If Hoyer for sure feels that we won’t pay him I hope we don’t hold on to him through 2011 and hope he signs with us as a free agent for a discount. We should deal him before the deadline and load up on prospects.

    With the right prospects in this deal and are already young talent, we could be looking good in a few years.

    Anyone know how long we have Latos locked up? When’s he arbitration eligible?

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    by mrbarneydangles on Nov 4, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Latos won't be arb. eligible until 2013

    Won’t hit free agency until 2016.

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    by surferfromSD619 on Nov 5, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

    I think you have to approach this season as if we are contenders

    That means you can’t trade Adrian strictly for prospects. That could sacrifice this season without getting any known value in return (as great as prospects are you can’t count on them for anything). Flags fly forever. You have to try to capitalize on winning whenever you have a chance. That means that as long as you are in the hunt trading Adrian strictly for prospects is not an option.

    However, you can trade him if you get major leaguers in return. That’s always a bit easier to do in the offseason, however as jbox points out, the shoulder injury could affect that.

    When the Padres were losing more games than they won, then they were in need of rebuilding. That’s where all the Adrian and Peavy rumors came from. They aren’t that team anymore. Things have changed. And you can just give away Adrian for something that doesn’t help the team right now.

    Think about it this way. Teams in the hunt trade for players with one year left on their contract all the time. We did it just this season with Miguel Tejada. We did it in 1998 with Kevin Brown. Why would you be in favor of adding those players to contenders, but be willing to trade Adrian Gonzalez away with one year on his deal.

    No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

    Word.

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    by TheThinGwynn on Nov 5, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I think my last paragraph was the kicker

    I probably could have left the rest out.

    No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Nah...

    Any time you get the chance to say “Flags fly forever”, you have to go for it.

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    by TheThinGwynn on Nov 5, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Agreed.

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    by Richard Wade on Nov 8, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

    I just don't think there's any choice.

    In some respects were in an untenable position. Deal your one established star for prospects that have an overwhelming chance of flaming out or eat the seed corn for a one-shot reload next season. The only thing for sure is that he won’t be here in 2012.

    But whether or not Adrian stay’s or gets dealt won’t be just a baseball decision. It’s far and away a budgetary one. Given the reality that this will be a 40-50 million dollar ballclub for the next 4-5 years we have to make all the baseball decisions with that in mind. The only way in hell were going to be competitive over that time is if we successfully deal established stars for cheap, high value prospects. If we manage to snag someone’s Carlos Gonzalez then we’ll be golden. If we get someone’s Justin Smoak, were screwed. This season was great, but the odds of us replicating it are less than the odds of serious regression. No stars to deal, no money to sign free agents, depressamundo.

    Naw, let’s get the best prospects we can for Adrian and Bell then fill out the roster with the Ty Wiggintons, Russ Branyans, or Adam Laroches of the world. Even if the prospects flop we should still at least be competitive and if we aren’t at least we can claim players on waivers to rebuild for the long, tough road ahead.

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    by padmadfan on Nov 5, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

    What do you have against Justin Smoak?

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 6, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Nothing, I still think he's a blue chip prospect.

    But if we deal Adrian and replace him with Smoaks .218/.307/.371 line from last year we’re toast. That was my original point. I think he’ll bounce back but in developing him we might miss out on being competitive.

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    by padmadfan on Nov 7, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

    Go take a peek at Adrian's line when we traded for him.

    No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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    by Wonko on Nov 8, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

    Not baggin on Smoak!

    Cheezus!

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    by padmadfan on Nov 9, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

    Yay for endless trade rumors!

    and Boston trolls!

    Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

    by Mad_Villain on Nov 5, 2010 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

    Hopefully the Padres losen the purse strings

    It would sting to have Adrian walk away and to replace him with Kyle Blanks.

    by athletics68 on Nov 5, 2010 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

    You have $120 million lying around?

    It’s not a question of “loosening the purse strings”, it’s a question of having the financial resources to do it. The Padres don’t. Simple as that.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Disagree!

    They have the resources but instead choose not to spend it. That is their business model.

    I’m not arguing whether they should or shouldn’t spend the money on AG. Simply pointing out that they DO have the money, but instead choose not to spend it. MLB teams are a lot wealthier than they let on. That became well documented this year with the release of several teams financial records.

    by strummer on Nov 6, 2010 5:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

    Yes, and that documentation was well analyzed

    And proved to be mostly misleading about how much extra finances the team’s have. Team’s are run for a profit, they have to be. But, the Padres or Pirates or whatever still don’t have the resources to spend a lot of extra dollars without going into the red.

    No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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    by Wonko on Nov 8, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

    And so they cycle continues...

    Trade away now-too-expensive talent for great prospects. Suck for a few years and then suddenly surge when the young talent matures, only to fall a little short of the playoffs or World Series. But of course, as soon as the talent matures, they become too expensive and are traded away for more future prospects…

    by EvilSammy on Nov 5, 2010 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

    Tis the love/hate relationship

    that is baseball and life.

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    by Mad_Villain on Nov 5, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

    Who were all of those mega-talented players that the Padres

    dumped as soon as the started to mature.

    Adrian has been productive for five full years, which makes him a bad example. Jake was around for seven years and was has been on the DL extensively since he was traded, another bad example.

    by field39 on Nov 5, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

    sheffield, mcgriff, carter

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    by justdave on Nov 5, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Sheffield works

    Carter hit .232/.290/.391 in his one year as a Padre. He was traded for Mcgriff, who was already an established star when he came to San Diego.

    by field39 on Nov 5, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

    good point

    plus i think Carter is remembered as better than he really was

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    by justdave on Nov 5, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

    IMAO

    Their problem is not the stars that get away. Their problem is that they rarely draft players that turn into stars.

    by field39 on Nov 5, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

    this

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    by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 5, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Matt Bush is a star in my joke repertoire...

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    by justdave on Nov 5, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I kind of doubt that Adrian will be traded until his shoulder injury is fully healed

    I can’t see a team trading their farm for him until he proves he can play without pain.

    by jbox on Nov 5, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

    Adrian Deserves Texiera type contract

    and there is NO WAY the Padres SHOULD pay that. In fact I would be dissapointed if they did sign him to that contract. For all those trolls/mouth breathers, that think the padres should loosen their purse string…go to Cot’s contracts and look at all those big contracts in the last 12 years.

    Now how many of them were good in retrospect? How many of them did the star actually perform to the levels expected, but was still a bad idea for the team because of the finanacial impacts? (think Arod with the Rangers).

    Now consider this, we moved out of the steriod era, players really do start to decline in their mid 30’s. So while we may be giving up 2 years of Adrian’s prime, we will probably have 2 years of him just past his peak, and 3-4 years of him just being above average, but making 25-35% of the payroll.

    The truth is t hat only 4-5 teams should be giving out those contracts and the Padres are not one of them. I also believe that the Twins will regret the Joe Mauer contract in a few years.

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    by Ron Mexico on Nov 5, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

    The Twins could do the Mauer contract

    because they have far larger resources than the Padres. If the Padres had what the Twins have, they could re-sign Adrian.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

    How do the Twins have greater financial resources than the Padres

    That’s what I can’t understand. Both have new stadiums and the Padres are in a bigger market.

    by athletics68 on Nov 5, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Yup

    And based off of that the Twins just negotiated a huge TV contract.

    The problem with San Diego is it is isolated. To the west is ocean, to the east is desert, to the north is Angels and Dodgers territory and to the south is Mexico where they are not allowed to negotiate for broadcast rights. So, you’re left with the city and suburbs, which is something like 3 million people. The area around Minneapolis-St. Paul is 2.8 million, the surrounding suburbs of St. Cloud and Bloomington add in another 1 million and the state of Minnesota (including those areas) is 5 million.

    Their owner is also one of the wealthiest men in America (and probably the world).

    No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

    My only thing here

    is that we’re soon to negotiate our own TV contract very shortly (supposedly for more money). Shouldn’t we basically take those excess new funds and keep Adrian on the field?

    by TheFan09 on Nov 6, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

    A new deal won't change their market ranking.

    They may go from $5M per year to $10M, but they won’t get near the $50M that the Angels get every year.

    by field39 on Nov 6, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I don't think you can bank on that anyway

    Until you have that money in hand. Maybe if you were run by some aggressive one man show ownership that was willing to take big risks, but not when you have board members to answer to.

    And what field39 said.

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    by Wonko on Nov 8, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

    I don't think the Twins are going to like the Mauer deal in 4 years

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    by Ron Mexico on Nov 7, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

    I'll take him off their hands!

    Err…I mean…Uhh..yeah, they’re not going to like it in 4 years…

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    by Jordan_Ming on Nov 7, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

    Can I borrow him on days ending in "y"?

    I think that’s fair.

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    by eastbaysd on Nov 9, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

    The Twins payroll is $97 million

    And Mauer makes $23M. Zito and Rowand combined for $30M of the Giants $97M and they turned out okay. The key, of course, will be to keep churning out prospects to replace the guys around Mauer as he gets older. The Twins seem to still be capable of that.

    However, you might be referring to his ability to stay a catcher. That would be a worry if I were them.

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    by Wonko on Nov 8, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

    that is what I was referring to

    I think overall they will be okay with the salary, but I don’t think internally they are going to be thrilled with Joe’s production compared to the % of payroll he takes up. The yankees and Red Sox can afford to have an AJ Burnett, Hall type of contracts.

    The Giants were able to negate Zito’s contract with the rest of the pitching staff stepping up and a rookie hitting the staff at the right time. Rowand was hidden with Huff, Burrel, Ross, Torres type of production, but how often will all those moves work out?

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    by Ron Mexico on Nov 8, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

    Find another Adrian Gonzalez

    Most fans won’t even notice. They’ll just think he’s having an off year.

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    by thenerdhater on Nov 5, 2010 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

    Edgar!

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    by Mad_Villain on Nov 5, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

    Got any idea how we can kidnap Carlos?

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    by TheAxManCometh on Nov 5, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, offer him a chance to play with arid balls

    …er, what I mean is, there’s no humidor at Petco

    The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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    by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

    The biggest issue with trading him, in my opinion

    is that I’m not sure what team out there has the pieces that we’d want in a trade.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

    The Giants

    For Bumgarner, Torres and DeRosa. Maybe a prospect too. Maybe more prospects and no DeRosa if he can’t pass a physical.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Funny

    If you pretend Kemp doesn’t have an attitude, would you trade him straight up for AGon. What if we also pretend that the trade is not the hated Dodgers?

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Well the Giants are hated, too

    I don’t think there is a way in hell they part with Bumgarner. With him they have to have the best rotation in baseball, right?

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    by Mad_Villain on Nov 5, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, they probably wouldn't

    But its the only piece I could think of that would help us stay competitive in 2011.

    No, I don't think you're an idiot. Please don't go trying to prove me wrong about that.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I get the feeling

    that Adrian doesn’t just want money, but after all these years at PETCO, he wants to go to a band box and mash for 500 career hr’s.

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    by Mad_Villain on Nov 5, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

    He doesn't get that choice until he goes to free agency though.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

    But teams that trade top prospects for him

    need to consider that before deciding to trade for him with the intention of extending him.

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    by Mad_Villain on Nov 5, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I don't think they'd ever trade him to a division rival.

    And as has been pointed out, they’d never trade Bumgarner, and I don’t think I’d want DeRosa. First of all, I’m not sure he’s got a wrist left. Second, he’d be 36 and I’m not sure how he’d make us better in the short or long term.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Plus Torres is also past 30 and won't be this good for much longer.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

    We need a CF and a 2B

    Assuming DeRosa is healthy and there’s some evidence that 2010 wasn’t a complete fluke, then Torres is useful as a CF.

    I don’t see what age has to do with it if they can both produce.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Well the fact that they're older

    makes it less likely that they’ll produce, and that even if they do they wouldn’t for a real long time.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I think you have to evaluate it outside of age

    And simply look for a deal that at least keeps you the same in 2011 and better off than being Adrian-free in 2012. Thinking longer term than that and sacrificing the present is foolhardy.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I feel like the Red Sox would have pieces that make sense.

    Getting Clay Buccholz and Daniel Bard back would make us better in the short and long term, though you probably wouldn’t want to make that deal unless you’re willing to sign Buccholz long term, as he’s already got significant service time.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

    But you'd need at least one, possible two position players as well

    and I don’t know who they’d be. I don’t think Ellsbury makes much sense anymore.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

    But he's perfect!

    He’s cute!
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    by Jordan_Ming on Nov 5, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Clay Buccholz is a much more established pitcher than Bumgarner

    There is zero incentive for the Red Sox to trade him. I don’t know why anyone would even consider him attainable. Especially given how Lackey, Matsuzaka and Beckett are exactly working out in Boston.

    This sounds like you recycled a comment from 2 years ago.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I'm guessing that in order to get Buccholz

    We would have to sweeten the deal with more than just Adrian. That’s how valuable he is.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I agree

    which is why I don’t think it’s realistic. I probably should have said that.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 5, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Try instead

    Lowrie, Ellsbury, Bard, Kelly, Iglesias

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    by TheAxManCometh on Nov 5, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Its a nice haul

    But it still strikes me as sacrificing 2011.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I think Bards off the table.

    But I’d take Micheal Bowden off their hands instead. If we could get Lowrie, Ellsbury, Bowden, Kelly, I’d be dancing in the streets.

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    by padmadfan on Nov 5, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

    did

    you just suggest that we trade for Mark Derosa?.!

    by schwing and a miss on Nov 5, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I suggest that we find a 2B. A healthy DeRosa would play 2B.

    A non-healthy DeRosa would not be something to trade for.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

    New idea: Back to the Rangers

    For Julio Borbon, Derek Holland, Michael Kirkman and Martin Perez.

    That’s probably too much for them to give up though.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

    This is the kind of deal the Padres will make

    hopefully.

    Hoyer is in a strong position here.
    No hurry to dump Adrian and lots of teams want him

    Has Norv been fired yet?

    by Hormel on Nov 5, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

    There is some hurry if you're relying on lots of teams wanting him

    The closer you get to the season, the more teams will make commitments regarding their 1B/DH situations.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I do not believe Jed will treat the situation,

    as if he needs to be in a hurry. Nor will there be any “The train has left the station,” moments.

    by field39 on Nov 5, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I agree

    I was just pointing out how the statement “No hurry to dump Adrian and lots of teams want him” contradicted itself.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

    That sounds like too much gambling

    I was trying to remove a lot of the risk out of these deals.

    You don’t want to be like the Phillies who basically ended up trading Cliff Lee for nothing since all the prospects they got in return flopped in less than a year.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

    One for Michael Main?

    Some of those guys you named fall under the TINSTAAPP tag…

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    by sdchicken on Nov 5, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

    I named three pitchers

    Two are ready for the majors right now and one (Perez) is just a roll of the dice because I wanted at least one upside play and he’s a buy low play right now. Michael Main still hasn’t pitched in AAA. You also have to keep in mind that the team trading for him only gets one guaranteed year or less. You’re not going to get back a top prospects (grade A, 5 star, whatever) unless he’s not major league ready or its all you get.

    That’s why I think when you look at a return you probably want one or two guys that the other team doesn’t have much plans for, but could be useful to the Padres as 2B, SS, CF. C or P. That’s what Borbon and Kirkman are. One can play good CF defense and has hit in the minors and even in short stints in the majors and the other worked over AAA and could succeed at Petco even though scouts aren’t in love with him. Holland is the real haul since he was a former top prospect and has had success in the majors. Perez is probably asking too much for the Rangers to give up on him when his value is low, but it’d be nice to get someone who is a couple years away and has upside.

    That’s not to say my deal is perfect or anything. Just that its what you’d expect. Its similar to the Peavy deal where we got two major league ready guys, one was somewhat established (Richard) and one didn’t fit into their plans (Russell). You got the prize top prospect that wasn’t a sure thing (Poreda) and a long term upside play (Carter).

    I argue this plan of attack is better than getting “the best prospects” where you get a bunch of guys in A ball and AA who rank highly on prospect lists, but can’t help you now and present the real possibility that they’ll never help you.

    Also, with the TINSTAAP thing, since I was using the Rangers the prospects there are mostly pitchers. Cost of doing business with that club.

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    by Wonko on Nov 6, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

    Wow, the TINSTAAP thing really got under your skin...

    It wasn’t meant to be that.

    I mentioned Main for personal reasons. I couldn’t believe the Padres picked Nick Schmidt over him, and if we’re naming dream deals it would be nice to see him added into the Padre system. I know he was scouted as being capable as a hitter or pitcher, and the Rangers converted him to pitching. I’d like to see what he could do as a hitter, and his struggles as a pitcher might make him a buy low/high ceiling type project.

    Plus, the Padres need hitters. Badly.

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    by sdchicken on Nov 6, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

    The Dodgers should have traded for that guy years ago.

    It still baffles me that they didn’t.

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    by Wonko on Nov 5, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

    Speculate, but verify.

    Nobdy will trade for Adrian in the off-season after the shoulder surgery. The Padres will be contenders at the deadline and will have to keep him. He’ll get his World Series ring, become a FA and sign with Boston, which will never get to the World Series while he plays for them. The Padres will get two draft picks and grab two impact players. Blanks will take over in 2012, and after the elbow fix will hit all-fields homers both home and away, the Pads will successfully defend their world championship, and everyone will be saying “Adrian who?” My Ouija board says so.

    by wegotballsley on Nov 6, 2010 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

    What we apparently should do

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove10/insider/news/story?id=5756428

    We should go after Carl Crawford

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    by TheAxManCometh on Nov 7, 2010 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

    I CAN'T SEE!!!!

    Your special specialness (or money) allows only you and other “Insiders” to see that article. But, luckily you paraphrased it.

    Crawford would be a nice pickup for the Padres. His ability to run would pay dividends, but for probably 12 million dollars or so, they’d be paying him more than he’d pay back.

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    by Friar Fever on Nov 7, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

    If we could add Crawford and keep Adrian

    We would be really talking with our young pitching as well. Too bad keeping Adrian is too expensive, let alone adding Crawford.

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    by mrbarneydangles on Nov 7, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

    I want whatever your smoking

    For you cheap bastards here’s the Padres part

    The San Diego Padres should sign Carl Crawford

    Even with Petco Park squelching offense, the Padres managed to rank just 11th in the league in team True Average, suggesting they need to do Adrian Gonzalez the favor of bringing in better help than just renting Miguel Tejada or adding a year and two months of Ryan Ludwick before he reaches free agency. Perhaps just as importantly, they need to show Gonzalez that any effort to re-sign him will be sincere. And finally, with a payroll that was in the vicinity of $40 million in 2010, they figure to be on the union’s watch list for clubs possibly pocketing revenue-sharing cash.

    So the easy fix is to pay top dollar for a player whose blend of skills and profile would give them an excellent answer to many of these problems. Because of his stolen-base tallies, it might seem obvious that Crawford would give the Pads a real leadoff man, someone who would give Gonzalez that many more RBI opportunities (when he isn’t being intentionally walked at a Pujolsian pace). He’d end up offering more than that, though: speed and tremendous defense, yes, but also the ability to make quality contact (.331 career BABIP), and enough power to play well in their home park, which becomes that much tougher in divisional matchups in the bandboxes in Arizona and Colorado. Add in the benefit of coming over from the toughest division in the tougher league, and the Petco effect shouldn’t deter the Padres from getting into the thick of what figures to be one of the biggest bidding wars of the winter. Since he’s only just heading into his age-29 season and speed players tend to age better, Crawford is the sort of big-ticket offensive help Padres GM Jed Hoyer should make a point of affording.

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    by TheAxManCometh on Nov 7, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

    They aren't going to pay Adrian.

    What on God’s green earth makes you think they’ll pay for Carl Crawford?

    This writer is insane.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 7, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

    I was thinking Bill Hall might be a nice pickup.

    He’s versatile, maybe not at the positions we need but it’s a long season. Jairstons ability to man multiple postions was a real luxury last year. One I’d like to keep going if possible.

    But if you can get Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee…I’ll take that instead.

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    by padmadfan on Nov 7, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

    Bill Hall

    Hall’s reputation for versatility seems to have outlived his actual versatility. I’m sure he’s willing to play multiple positions, but he hasn’t shown himself to be a particularly effective SS, 2B or OF. He seems to be able to play 3B.

    I’d also think that his hitting profile doesn’t suit Petco. More reliance on contact and patience and less on free swinging home run dependence would be the ideal.

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    by Wonko on Nov 8, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

    Glad I pocketed my revenue on this one

    First, he says that the front office might be keeping money off the table. A bold claim, to say the least. So, his idea on how to stay off the watch list is to splurge on a guy who can give RBI chances to a guy who may only be on the team for mere months? Hmm… And what happens when Adrian leaves? We have a guy who’s just turning 29. We have a few guys around that age. I don’t think the Padres can just throw HUGE money at a guy nearing the big Three Oh.

    Now, if they sign him, I’ll turn into a total chick and fawn over our new god. But that’s the future. Will it happen? Probably not. If it does happen, I might cry manly, awesome tears.

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    by Friar Fever on Nov 8, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

    If you look at comparable 1B

    The bug Three-Oh isn’t that big of a deal. Historically, hitters of Adrian’s ability should keep performing at a similar level from ages 28-34.

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    by Wonko on Nov 8, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

    agreed

    but I think we will start to see bigger declines in the 35-38 years, than we did in the PED era. So while I think Adrian could be earning close to his $25M a year in the first 3 years of that contract, the back 2-3 years could be really bad, especially if its backloaded.

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    by Ron Mexico on Nov 8, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

    It was in reference to Crawford

    I was refering to Crawford approaching his 30s. I don’t think the Padres should throw 12-15 million at him with the idea that usually speed guys get better with age. One bad turn around 2nd base and he could be an 85 million dollar regret.

    And with 1B, I know that age is just a number (i.e. Paul Konerko). Adrian will stay effective for at least the length of his next contract.

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    by Friar Fever on Nov 8, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

    No one thinks the Padres should throw money at Crawford

    other than one lunatic espn.com writer.

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    by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 9, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

    And Christina Kahrl.

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    by Wonko on Nov 9, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

    Eighty-second!

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    by TheThinGwynn on Nov 8, 2010 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

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