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2011 Padres Roster Outlook

First a quick breakdown of the currently rostered players, their contract status and their projected 2011 salaries. Contract statuses were acquired from baseball-reference.com and projected salaries were made up by me with info from Baseball Prospectus' Jeff Euston and some local SD sources.

Player Age Contract Status Projected Salary
Adrian Gonzalez 28 5 yrs/$15M (07-11) $5.5M*
Ryan Ludwick 31 Arb-3 $7M
Heath Bell 32 Arb-3 $7.5M
Mike Adams 31 Arb-2 $2M
Chase Headley 26 Arb-1 $2M
Clayton Richard 26 Pre-Arb-3 $440k
Tony Gwynn 27 Arb-1 $1M
Luke Gregerson 26 Pre-Arb-3 $420k
Everth Cabrera 23 Pre-Arb-3 $420k
Tim Stauffer 28 Arb-1 $1M
Nick Hundley 26 Pre-Arb-3 $420k
Joe Thatcher 28 Pre-Arb-3 $420k
Will Venable 27 Pre-Arb-2 $420k
Oscar Salazar 32 Pre-Arb-3 $420k
Cameron Maybin 23 Pre-Arb-2 $420k
Chris Denorfia 30 Arb-1 $1M
Mat Latos 22 Pre-Arb-2 $420k
Ernesto Frieri 25 Pre-Arb-2 $420k
Wade LeBlanc 26 Pre-Arb-2 $420k
Adam Russell 27 Pre-Arb-2 $420k
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*Actual 2011 salary

Cumulative Total: $32.06M

There are 25 rows there just to give the impression of how many spots are left to fill. Its worth noting that Scott Hairston could be retained and would be an Arb-3, but I don't see Hoyer being irresponsible enough to keep him for the kind of money it would take. It's also worth noting that any player in the minors that the Padres could call up would slot in at $420K. So, if they called up Kyle Blanks or Cesar Ramos or Cory Luebke to fill in one of those empty spots, then you can call that another $420k towards the payroll.

Star-divide

Approximate Spending Limit: $7.94M - $12.94M

That spending limit is based on Jed Hoyer saying that the payroll will begin with a "4" again. The low number takes that statement literally enough to make the total equal $40M. The higher number assumes a payroll increase up to $45M. I don't have any more insight than that to go on.

Starters

Using the roster construction I have listed there are 4 players listed for the starting rotation (Latos, Richard, Stauffer and LeBlanc). I've only included 4 because it seems exceedingly likely that the team with sign or trade for at least one starter. Wade LeBlanc is listed over Cory Luebke simply because of seniority. As I've said previously, there is really no salary difference between the pre-arb players so you could pretend it says Luebke up there and it doesn't change much.

Need: 1

Relievers

The Padres typically carry 7 relievers and you can fill out most of that with Bell, Adams, Gregerson, Russell, Frieri and Thatcher. They still will need one more guy to fill out that last spot. That guy will probably come from within the organization  So you can take the the "Need: 1" with a grain of salt.

Need: 1

Catchers

Nick Hundley is the only catcher listed and there are no legitimate backup candidates in the minors. However, the Padres will need to catch 2 catchers.

Need: 1

Infielders

With the given list of players there is no sane way to formulate an infield. You can plug in Adrian Gonzalez and Chase Headley for the corners, but then you're left with one player (Everth Cabrera) for 2 starting spots and at least 1 backup spot. Well, that is unless you count Jarrett Hoffpauir as being a candidate for one of those spots. Well, do you? I didn't think so. We'll also call Oscar Salazar an infielder for now.

Need: 2

Outfielders

Between the catchers and the infielders rostered and needed we have a total of 8 players accounted for. Of the players rostered that are considered outfielders we have a total count of 5 (Ludwick, Venable, Gwynn, Denorfia and Maybin). That brings us to a total of 13 position players, which would be our goal. So, there's not really room in the OF for another player unless someone (Gwynn? Denorfia? Ludwick?) gets non-tendered or traded. You'd like to fit Aaron Cunningham in here somewhere, but we'll have to wait and see how this offseason shakes out.

Need: 0

Summary

So, that's somewhere between $8M and 13M to spend on a starting pitcher, a reliever, a catcher and 2 infielders. You could also make a few arguments about the team signing or trading for 2 starting pitchers and send LeBlanc and Luebke to AAA (or maybe LeBlanc to the bullpen?) or that we'll make this trade or that trade and that changes everything. Sure, that's all possible. Let me illustrate the following point though:

The needs we have now are very similar to the ones we had last year. We effectively  ended up signing Jon Garland, David Eckstein, Jerry Hairston and Yorvit Torrealba to fill the same holes listed. They cost $4.7M, $1M, $2.12M and $750k respectively. That's $8.57M, which is also close to what the Padres have left to spend this offseason.

So, basically, the team is in the same boat looking for bargains like those. Unless they do something drastic. Which, is part of the reason that people talk about the organization non-tendering Gwynn/Ludwick/ or trading Gonzalez/Bell/Ludwick/Headley/Adams. No one can really envision the Padres getting the type of value they had in those 4 outgoing players by spending that same amount. Either Jed Hoyer had an opportunity and smartly took it last year or he got lucky. Either way it'll take some luck to do it again.

Its also worth pointing out that the way this shakes out, the team is getting almost almost no new help from its farm system to start the year. You'd really prefer to have a pipeline where you at least didn't have to fill one of these holes because a rookie would be ready to step in. The closest things we have are the aforementioned Jarrett Hoffpauir who could play 2B (although not homegrown), Chris Stewart could backup C (but then you get no ability to hit from your backup) Luis Durango could be your CF (that might be okay, but you're just swapping him for another OF and still have other spots to fill) and Cory Luebke could be your 5th starter (but then if someone in the rotation gets hurt you don't have any good options to turn to). The lone consolation is that you will be able to fill out the bullpen with minor league depth (even though no obvious candidate comes to mind for that final spot). One of these days this low payroll team will make it work the way some others do and have a consistent pipeline of major league ready players. Maybe.

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by Axion on Nov 12, 2010 6:26 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I find that the way I write and ramble

Lends itself towards better formatting so that people pay attention and so that I can stay focused.

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by Wonko on Nov 12, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It sure would be nice if we were able spend up to 50mil

Hopefully CY can be signed for a cheap 1 year contract, and then we won’t really need any additional pitching help, although more help would be nice. I’d love for the Pads to sign Orlando Hudson, but we all know that’s not gonna happen. So Eck is really the next best option. We should get a really cheap back-up Catcher and not worry too much about the position. I don’t think we’re gonna sign Tejada, so I predict Everth will be our man, and we’ll also sign the Jairston. The biggest ? is CF, and it’ll be interesting to see what Jed ends up doing. I say- let’s try to trade Adrian now, if we can get a nice return obviously.

by recorddigger on Nov 12, 2010 6:58 PM PST reply actions  

Hudson

He’s also the guy that sticks out at me when I look at the non-elite free agents. The issue with him is injury risk and salary. The injuries have kept teams from paying out big bucks or multiyear deals to him. So, when you look at his recent salaries he seems affordable. However, when you look at his productive he should be well out of the Padres price range (he’s worth around $10M a year for what he provides). The way it shook out for him last year is that everyone shied away until he had to settle for a team who was offering decent money and a job (the Twins). Maybe we could be that team? Probably not though.

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by Wonko on Nov 12, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, and I think he's a guy that's puts a lot of emphasis on going to a winner

So, trading Adrian would probably turn him off from coming here. Not that trading or not trading Adrian should be affected by the whims of Orlando Hudson, its just a Wonko thought as which way the wind blows with that guy.

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by Wonko on Nov 12, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we'd have to give him a multi year deal to interest him.

Something along the lines of 3/28 maybe? It’s worth noting that if we do the logical options of trading Adrian and Bell we’d be looking at a minimum of 20 million to spend next season. So I think we’d have the cash to get it done. I’m just not sure we should be signing multi year deals at this point. It’s just to risky when your payroll is as low as ours. His injury history makes it even more risky. Besides, Hoyers made it pretty clear our free agent signing strategy will be to wait to the last minute and look for value in whoevers left over. Hopefully Jerry will be left over. He’s a nice stopgap until we find or trade for something better.

Okay, so not a lot of hope on the free agent front. So we need to make obtaining infielders part of our trade strategy. So targeting Jed Lowrie in the Adrian deal and looking at Gordon Beckam in the Bell deal makes sense.

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by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:14 AM PST up reply actions  

There's no way this team can afford to give 3 years $28m to anybody.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 13, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

No way Hudson commands 3 years 28M

The past 2 years he’s signed a 1 year deal with the dodgers worth 3.3M (though that was because his type A status hurt him), and a 1 year deal with the twins worth 5M that had a clause saying that if he’s a type A they can’t offer him arbitration. He’s older now and his production dropped some last year. It’s likely he gets a 1 year deal worth 5 or 6 mil or a 2 year deal worth about 10M.

Hopefully STL signs a free agent or trades for a 2B that is not Hudson because they are probably our biggest competition in signing him.

I don’t think there’s any chance that the White Sox trade Beckham for Bell either. They are still high on him despite his poor 1st half last year and have no one ready to replace him. They’d have to get a very good return to move Beckham.

by Antonio Olivares on Nov 15, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Was that supposed to be

3 years/$2.8M?

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 19, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You could have used Cot's

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 12, 2010 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

Cot's is blocked at work.

Ahem. Not that I did any of this at work.

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by Wonko on Nov 13, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post

Easy to read and follow.

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by Padres_Hobo on Nov 12, 2010 8:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed.

And it’s fun to start thinking more about next year.

One question from the still relatively uninitiated. I know our farm system has been fairly poor, but how far away are some of the better prospects identified in the recent UT piece?

Any chance Castro and Cumberland could be useful next year?

And what about Cunningham?

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by Aussie fan on Nov 13, 2010 2:27 AM PST up reply actions  

The Padres Farm system is actually pretty good at the moment

the problem is most of the talent is in the lower leagues.

Castro will prob be a September call up or possibly a late year replacement if one of the Padre Starters go down.

Cumberland can’t stay healthy long enough to progress through the system with any kind of speed. he may be a September call up but I don’t see him on the Padres roster before that.

Cunningham should make the club out of spring training and will probably platoon in right with Venable, or if the Padres non-tender Ludwig he may end up as their everyday left fielder.

by Grey Suit on Nov 13, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Just to elaborate on some of the things you said

Castro still needs at least a full year in AAA. If you followed him in the minors last year, you’d know his stamina still isn’t where it needs to be, and he often tired after 5 innings and had to be pulled. His outings rarely lasted more than 5 innings.

Cumberland is a real prospect, but as Steve pointed out has had issues staying healthy. Last year he was healthy for a good chunk of the season and put up huge numbers, but then broke his leg and was done.

Cunningham doesn’t really have anything left to prove at the AAA level, and about the only thing keeping him down there last year was Scott Hairston. He should have a better than even chance of making the team and being a 4th or 5th outfielder.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 13, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately

Heath Bell I think is pretty much gone. It is going to suck because I really enjoy watching him pitch and I truly believe that he loves playing in San Diego, but its just economics. We have too many other cheaper closer options and too deep a bullpen to be able to justify spending that much money on a reliever when the overall payroll is so small.

If he can get us a starting CF or SS that would be a great parting gift.

by Dugout Dude on Nov 12, 2010 10:29 PM PST reply actions  

ludwick

VERY small chance the Padres offer him arbitration because he would certainly accept it and would become an expensive, light hitting right fielder with below average defense.

by gwynnfan11 on Nov 12, 2010 11:47 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think the organization sees him as a light hitting outfielder

You just can’t assume that he’ll continue to hit like he did after the trade. His career numbers are much better than that two month sample size.

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by Wonko on Nov 13, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Prepare to kill yourself.

Hoyer’s made it pretty clear they are going to bring Ludwick back and make him the left fielder.

Yes, he struggled with the Padres when he was acquired. But the fact is that was only 239 PAs. A third of a season’s worth of plate appearances isn’t enough to judge someone’s talent level. For example, even after 2010 his career batting line over 2416 PAs is .266/.337/.476, good for a .349 wOBA and 117 wRC+. That’s better than anyone else the Padres could possibly stick in the outfield in 2012.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 13, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

81 games at Petco

Another 27 in L.A., S.F., and Arizona. That’s two-thirds of your games where Ludwick has NOT proven that he’s better than the Padres’ other outfielder options.

Nonetheless, unless they can trade him for something good, I agree with you that he’s coming back…. Come on, Ryan: prove me wrong! (But you you sure didn’t the last two months of ’10….)

by jctess on Nov 14, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

That's far too small a sample size to make a reliable judgment.

The largest sample size, his entire career of 2400 PAs, says he’s he’s more talented than what he did in two months of 2010.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 14, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Fair enough --

and you had indeed already made that point.

Even if you (or anyone) did a further breakdown, I’m sure the stats would still back up your point, because the Padres right now don’t have anyone with that good a track record….

Whether Ludwick is already well into a decline because of injury and/or age remains to be seen….

Nonetheless, we know his offensive numbers have been inflated by playing in the NL Central, a far more hitter-friendly division than the NL West; and that is more relevant than his age, although we do know he’s not as young as he used to be…. ;)

Still, early 30’s is not at all over-the-hill in baseball, so maybe he can turn it around and become the doubles-hitter Hoyer thought he could be…. Warning track power’s good for a sac. fly now and then, but really not all that effective.

by jctess on Nov 15, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about warning track power.

When he was with St Louis, most of his home runs with to left field. When he was here, his warning track shots with to straight away center.

Chart

by field39 on Nov 15, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Chart: thanks

Interesting that actually 4 of his HR’s were at Petco, 3 in L.A., 2 in Chase and 1 in S.F. And only two were in very friendly hitters’ parks — Wrigley and in Cincy; if I’m reading the stat right, the wind may have been blowing IN in Chicago that day…. Anyway….

Five were at Busch, which isn’t really hitter-friendly itself…. It’s a bit pitcher-friendly, I THINK, but mostly I consider it pretty neutral….

Maybe, as Zach — and others, as he mentions below, have pointed out, Ludwick was really just pressing horribly (and/or not fully healthy); we shall see…. Clearly I’m not that high on the guy (I like him personally just fine), but I’m willing and WANTING to be proven wrong.

by jctess on Nov 24, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, 31 isn't that old for hitters.

They can usually be at peak performance into their early 30s. It might be that Ludwick just wasn’t ever really healthy after the calf injury. Also, it’s been pointed out by many in the organization that he appeared to be pressing really hard, and changed his approach because of pressure he felt to perform. Hopefully getting a full off-season and spring training with the team should change that.

His raw numbers of course are inflated by playing in the Central, but even park adjust numbers like OPS+ and wRC+ show that he’s an above average hitter for his career.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 15, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

awesome

a perfect Saturday morning read and better than anything i’ve seen in the SDUT. my gut says Moorad will allow some flex above $45M if Hoyer can target an ideal fit for the middle infield or a viable #2 (assuming Latos is #1 seems safe).

by BeantownFriar on Nov 13, 2010 7:08 AM PST reply actions  

better than anything i’ve seen in the SDUT

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by matthewverygood on Nov 14, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I know this sounds crazy, but I'm crazy

One of the first thoughts I had when thinking about a replacement for Eckstein was Cunningham. I know this wont happen, it’s easier to convert and infielder to an outfielder than outfielder to infielder. The guy is 5’11", 205lbs. Built for the middle infield. The guy plays balls out in the field. When you have a guy with a knack for getting to the ball, I guarantee he can field a grounder. He hit .288 in 147 plate appearances and I would expect that to stay similar over the next year (given more at bats). He has pop but maybe not much power, and he can run. I’d give the guy a look at 2nd and see if we could kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

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by Mad_Villain on Nov 13, 2010 8:42 AM PST reply actions  

Also, if we're shooting for speed

I’d like to see Cabrera, Venable, Gwynn, Cunningham, and Durango all in the same lineup. The only problem with that is Headley doesn’t drive enough people in. I’m starting to think Headley needs to go while he’s still cheap (in other team’s context) and has upside. I’m trading ludwick and Mujica for a promising arm and 3B. I don’t want to pay Salazar for services and younger guy can give me. I use the money from these 3 guys to go into free agency for a 3rd baseman and catcher with pop (Beltre, Olivo?). I’m holding Gonzalez for a desperate team in a run and then trading him and plugging in Blanks.

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by Mad_Villain on Nov 13, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that we'll be competitive in 2011 (80+ wins)

but will be set in 2012…

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by Mad_Villain on Nov 13, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Love your "crazy" idea ...

especially if they can’t sign Eck or Jerry Hairston, Jr.

Cunningham should be on this team — and contributing ALL season.

by jctess on Nov 14, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

My guess is that the Padres sign one mid-rotation solid veterain starter (ie Garland last season)

and then two journeymen starters looking to catch lighting in a bottle (due to the Petco factor) to jumpstart their career to battle with Leblanc and Lubke in spring training for the 5th spot.

I would love to see them sign CY to an incentive based deal but we all know how Moorad feels about that.

I don’t see Gwynn, or the salad shooter on this team next season.

I Hoyer think will trade Mujica for a backup infielder.

I would love to see the Padres trade Bell to the Rays for Jason Bartlett and then sign Jarston to play 2B.

I hate to say it but I think Deno will end up being the Padres every day CF…

by Grey Suit on Nov 13, 2010 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

Gwynn will come back. I don't see them getting rid of a plus defender with speed

considering, you know, that’s what this team and this park are built for.

If so, though, Cunningham, given a chance in spring training, could beat the Norf outright for the starting job.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I just don't see a place for him

especially if the tender Ludwick, I don’t think they can carry 6 OF’s on their roster especially if they have a pinch hitting specialist (ala Matt Stairs).

Ludwick
Venable
Cunningham
Denorfia
Durango (who I guess would be iffy but is the perfict style hitter for Petco)

and that does not even include a scenario with them signing or trading for a legitamate everyday CF. The Padres would have zero flexability with Gwynn since he is out of options and they would have to offer him arbitration.

by Grey Suit on Nov 13, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I would rather get rid of Denorfia than Gwynn.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 13, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

There's always a Denorfia on the scrap heap. No reason keep him.

I wonder what Eric Hinske would go for? I know Hoyer said he’s keeping Ludwick but…

I wouldn’t mind an OF mix of
Hinske
Maybin
Cunningham
Venable

I love TGJ’s defense but he’s just a gawdawful hitter. I mean, how low does your batting average and slugging percentage have to be before your not considered a viable hitter?

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by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, you already got one of those wrong

Maybin is in line to be the every day CF.

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by Wonko on Nov 13, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Hold it, hold it

we haven’t seen anything yet. Has the FO released a statement saying “he’s gonna be the presumptive starter”?

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm willing to lift him ahead of Denorfia.

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by Wonko on Nov 13, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh, true. Norf is in line to regress.

Still seems a little hasty to anoint Maybin. It’s the common sense option, right now, but still not a sure thing.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Here

Maybin on Saturday spoke with Padres officials, who he said told him that he’d be the team’s starting center fielder in 2011.

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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay. Cameron Maybin it is, then,

Pack your bags, Norf.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I want veteran pitching!

Jeff Francis and Brandon Webb top my Christmas list… they’re both coming off “meh” years and could be reinvigorated by playing in Petco.

I’m also holding out for a Joel Zumaya because every which way I look at it, it works… but that’s because I want to see it working.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

The three pitchers you mention

have all sustained massive injuries in recent history.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 13, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure they're

already on Jed’s radar.

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by Mad_Villain on Nov 13, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

^This is why.

Some guys don’t work out (coughMark Priorcough) and some do.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Brandon Webb is highly coveted by a buinch of teams with more money

He’s not going to sneak by a team with money in need of a 5th starter.

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by Wonko on Nov 13, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally though

I think both Francis and Webb are damaged goods. Those types of shoulder injuries don’t have a good history of full recovery.

A name that I think will be cheaper and could do well as a Petco 5th starter is Braden Looper. However, I wouldn’t give him a guaranteed contract, just a minor league deal.

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by Wonko on Nov 13, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if they can only come back at a part of their potential

their numbers will be Petco’d— they’ll still be perfectly legitimate middle-of-the-rotation guys.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Also. Looper is okay, I guess

but I’d go Brad Penny or Aaron Harang first… if we could get them on our budget

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't see getting a guy like Looper blocking you from trying to find other bargains.

Looper would have to earn a spot.

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by Wonko on Nov 13, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

You think he'd accept a minor league deal?

Or even be able to earn said spot?

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't know

He did turn down a lot of minor league deals last year. Maybe last year’s time on the couch changed his mind?

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by Wonko on Nov 13, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Aaron Harang is a good fit

He should be willing to take a pay cut relative to other teams to play in SD. He is from SD, lives in SD, and Petco is the perfect place to rebuild your value as a pitcher.

MLB trade rumors had suggested he might fetch a base salary of 3-4M on a 1 year deal. Which is about what we should be spending to fill that SP need.

by Antonio Olivares on Nov 15, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Francis I think would be a great pick up

Left hander, can take a year and go build up his value. And we don’t have to go against him

Aaron Harang hasn’t pitched well over the last few years, i’m not sure i’d take him

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by TheAxManCometh on Nov 14, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Francis is too much of an injury risk

He pitched less than 150 innings in 2010 and 2008 while missing all of 2009.

We need a reliable innings eater, not a flier on a guy with upside. We’ve got our upside covered in Latos, Stauffer, Luebke, Richard.

by Antonio Olivares on Nov 15, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Where do you find "a bunch of teams"?

Only ones I’ve heard are Washington and the Dodgers. We should make a bid in the interests of blocking one of these teams. I’ll let you guess which.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’ve read he’s probably going to get something similar to what the A’s gave Ben Sheets last year (about $10 mil) and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a team throw more than that at him given his history.

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by surferfromSD619 on Nov 15, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Sleeper

Take a flyer on Brandon McCarthy. Cheap and serviceable if he can stay healthy. Roll the dice Jed.

by three team parlay on Nov 16, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade for Cameron Maybin's complete.

CF no longer a question mark.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 13, 2010 12:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Nice!

We even get to say bye bye to Mujica, too. Too bad Ryan Webb is gone, but I think we traded a position of depth for a potential all-star.

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by Mad_Villain on Nov 13, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like we have the bullpen arms to replace those two in the minors.

I always felt that Russell and Adams were interchangeable to a certain extent. And I could see easily see one of Scribner, Liz, Perdomo, Poreda, or Italiano taking the other spot.

TBD

by IputtheYinTony on Nov 13, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Satisfied

Unloading Mujica, CF strengthened.

Still need pitching and a middle infield.

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by Axion on Nov 13, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see what we do with the middle infield.

Everth could do with half a season at AAA, and Antonelli might make it for a late callup, but we don’t have a legitimate in-house solution and the free-agent market is thin.

Okay, GLBers: You are in Jed’s position. Who do you trade to where/for whom to secure adequate middle-infield talent ?

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Some possibilities...

Bell to Rays for Bartlett. Possible they would move him for a package involving Cunningham or Gwynn and a minor prospect or two. I know they are losing Crawford, trading Bartlett might mean moving Zobrist from OF to IF and they are maybe looking to move BJ Upton so they might need cheap OF help. Though taking on Bartlett’s salary and keeping Bell might not work.

Bell to Angels for Izturis and a prospect or Alberto Callaspo and a prospect. They have a near ML ready infield prospect named Amarista and already have Kendrick and Aybar blocking him. Brandon Wood could also play SS and I think they’ve soured on him.

While he’s probably still at least half a year away from being ready to play in the Majors Brett Lawrie of Milwaukee is a possibility. He’s blocked by Rickie Weeks and is a highly touted prospect. Milwaukee would likely want young pitching that’s ML ready, maybe Le Blanc and a prospect, Hefner? Or Luebke or Castro, though I’d like to keep the two of them.

Before we lost Webb and Mujica I was thinking maybe Gregerson + a prospect for Lowrie from the Red Sox. Now I’m not sure how good of a match we are for Boston’s needs outside of Adrian.

by Antonio Olivares on Nov 15, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Supposedly we've been talking to the Brewers about Lawrie

Not sure how much truth there is in it, but supposedly it’s out there.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/rosenthal-on-brewers-doubront-marlins-barmes.html#disqus_thread

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by surferfromSD619 on Nov 15, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't look like the Lawrie thing will happen

Brewers want starters and LeBlanc or Luebke won’t cut it. I’m not sure that even Stauffer would satisfy their cravings.

Their loss. I bet they end up with someone worse than any of those 3.

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by Wonko on Nov 17, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

They're not shopping the guy

Six years of play versus Wade LeBlanc? The Padres will have to satisfy their cravings with the rule V draft.

by Salty on Nov 17, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think they'll get anybody better in the Rule 5 draft than the guy they already have (Hoffpauir)

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by Wonko on Nov 18, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Sweet!

Cameron is exactly the kind of player the Padres should be taking risks on. He’s got the tools for the job and just needs development time. Very good deal for the Pads.

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by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Ouch! we lost Webb, huh?

That one may hurt later. Once this guy learns how to pitch he could be something special. Just f*ing ridiculous stuff..Oh well, gotta give to get.

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by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm of the school of thought that

if there’s no room for a talented player with upside on your roster, you have an obligation to help him succeed… as far away as possible. We did the best we could short of sending him to an AL team. He may very well morph into a truly terrifying closer.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 13, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You say that like Maybin isn't a question mark.

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by Richard Wade on Nov 13, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, it's no question who'll be starting opening day.

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by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, theres no question you could say that about anyone.

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by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2010 3:30 PM PST reply actions  

Dang, reply fail

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by padmadfan on Nov 13, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice job Wonko - EXCEPT...

Adrian’s salary isn’t $5.5 Mil. It WAS when signed, but the contract was signed before Moorad, so there are incentives. Adrian not only got paid bonuses for his gold gloves and All-Star appearances, they bumped up his 2011 option year to $6.2 mil. Baseball Reference doesn’t include the incentives.

by wegotballsley on Nov 14, 2010 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

By the way, Hoffpauir was

mostly at 2B in triple-A the last two years. He hit over .290 both years, is a contact hitter and has a strong enough arm to play 3B and SS. He’s likely a candidate for infield utility man if J. Hairston doesn’t return.

The Padres have a former major league 2b in Josh Barfield. He played 2b at Portland, and hit .294, and he’ll be only 28 next month. That still leaves Everth for SS, and he’s still bothered by the calf injury that put him on the DL twice. He just withdrew from winter ball because it was bothering him.

Between Everth’s injury/treatment and Hairston’s bone fracture misdiagnosed as shin splints, I’m having doubts about the Padres’ training and medical staff. Didn’t the Padres fire a couple people from the staff last off-season? Even Chris Young didn’t find the source of his pain, a muscle behind a muscle, until he had a cat scan. The MRI didn’t show it, and it couldn’t show Hairston’s bone fracture either, though an x-ray would have. Maybe Moorad is pinching pennies on diagnostic procedures.

by wegotballsley on Nov 14, 2010 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

I agree for the most part on Hoffpauir

But he’s in no way guaranteed a spot.

Barfield is not on the 40 man roster and he might even be a minor league free agent or at least rule 5 draft eligible.

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by Wonko on Nov 15, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeez, Adrian's only 28?

He looks like he’s 40.
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by Jordan_Ming on Nov 20, 2010 7:07 AM PST reply actions  

28 might as well be 40.

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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 20, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I ONLY HAVE 8 YEARS LEFT????

And now I’m sad.

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by Jordan_Ming on Nov 20, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

This thread needs to be WONKO-ED

we can’t let it die.

I will start.

Padres should sign Bengie Molina as for C/1B….discuss.

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by Ron Mexico on Nov 21, 2010 10:05 PM PST reply actions  

Great idea!

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by Friar Fever on Nov 22, 2010 7:03 AM PST up reply actions  

NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 22, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I've heard some very intriguing theories on the catcher situation, one of which was

Jason Varitek.

Still an effective enough hitter, plus defender, and he has massive intrinsic value as a mentor both to Hundles and the young pitching corps. If he isn’t cost-prohibitive. Or if we can stomach bringing in any of Boston’s castoffs.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 22, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Anything he can learn that will help him is greatly appreciated

buuuuuuuuut in all probability, no.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 22, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

He needs someone

to teach him not to swing at the first pitch all the time. I find his approach maddening, but he’s somehow relatively successful with it.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 23, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

My feeling right now

Is that we probably want to go pretty cheap at backup catcher, but still get a guy with major league experience. Gerald Laird is an option, but not a sexy one.

My logic is this: Our budget for signings is around $10M. Why spend $2M or more (what I think Varitek would cost) on the one position we need that doesn’t play everyday or is part of the starting rotation? 2B, SS and SP4 and SP5 should probably get the majority of that free agent budget.

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by Wonko on Nov 24, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

This is what I'm afraid of.

We’re going to be real weak up the middle next season. The free agent market is crap for middle infielders. The best we can hope for is Hudson and maybe Orlando Cabrera. Unfortunately, I see a lot of Aaron Miles, Jarret Houfpair, or Chris Woodward in our immediate future. Round that out with guys like Laird and I can smell the cheese already.

I understand your point about the payroll. But to me it just highlights the fact we need more players of a higher quality than we can pay for. The only reasonable option is to trade Adrian. If we can net Doubrant, Lowrie, Rizzo we spend the available cash on a decent SP, maybe do an incentive laden deal for Chris Young and get a decent backup backstop like Barajas or Olivo.

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by padmadfan on Nov 24, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Orlando Hudson would be great.

That would be phenomenal.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 25, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree for the most part

Not sure how we come by a decent middle infield next year without trading Adrian, or Heath Bell to free up some $$.

As far as trading Adrian, whether it’s this offseason or at the deadline next year, I think we NEED to get a SS with 4+ years of team control back. We have no good options at SS in the organization. Cumberland can’t stay healthy and is tagged as a future 2B by a lot of people, I’ve lost faith in Everth, Galvez is awful defensively.

Lowrie, Doubront and Rizzo for Adrian is a pretty fair trade for both sides. Maybe we could get another prospect too if the Red Sox lose out on Beltre and get desperate this offseason. Other good young SS’s or prospects on teams that might have interest in Adrian include Iglesias also with the Red Sox, Brignac on the Rays, Profar with the Rangers though he won’t play before 2013, Beckham on the White Sox could probably play SS as he did in the minors and college.

by Antonio Olivares on Nov 26, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

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