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Hoyer, Padres set sights on 2011 roster | padres.com: News
Padres general manager Jed Hoyer met with reporters on Monday,and touched on a number of topics pertaining to 2010 and the future, as he and the front office prepare to make decisions that will shape the 2011 team. -
Padres face questions - SignOnSanDiego.com
Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell are both headed for free agency after the 2011 season, but that doesn’t mean Hoyer is in a panic to trade them. - PADRES: Hoyer does not plan to stand pat
"I think we need to make changes," Hoyer said Monday. "You can make a big mistake by thinking you had a magic team or caught lightning in a bottle and that same team will do the same thing. That's not reality. - XX Sports Radio: Bud Black Part 1 and Part 2
Bud Black joins BR, Jack Cronin, Vincie Glenn and Chris Chandler to discuss the Padres season and an outlook for 2011. -
Reflecting On Baseball’s 15 Biggest Breakout Stars In 2010 - SBNation.com
"The Padres didn't qualify for the playoffs, but they nevertheless sent a strong message. They finished 2009 with a 37-25 record over their last 62 games. They finished 2010 90-72. While many will again expect them to be mediocre going forward, the talent is in place for another strong campaign." -
Ludwick wants to stay a Padre - SignOnSanDiego.com
"I'd like to come back to show the Padres and the San Diego fans what I can do," said Ludwick. "I was disappointed. The calf muscle injury (suffered when he was a Cardinal) killed me. I just got back from that when I was traded. I never got back on firm ground."
Padres: Position-by-position outlook - SignOnSanDiego.com
The Padres control Adrian Gonzalez through the end of 2011 when he becomes a free agent. His trade value is already dropping. Trade him now for prospects, let him walk after 2011 or find a way to open the vault for a long-term contract.
Despite Fade, Padres Worth Celebrating -- MLB FanHouse
"Good stuff, gentlemen, but don't forget about what might have been. Somewhere, you must find something to steel yourself for the next playoff race, assuming you can get back into one."
Chainsaw: Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, it was a wonderful play
Bud Black should be named NL Manager of the Year. If he isn’t, there should be an investigation.
A San Diego Padres Blog: The Sacrifice Bunt " Blog Archive " On Black and managing Game 162
"His sloppy route on Huff’s double yesterday was an appropriate end to a season in which Denorfia cost the team four and a half runs in only a quarter of the season’s worth of time in center."
Perpetual Padres Saga: September/October Evaluation (Plus a Rant)
"I really believe that the force is still strong with the Padres."
Websoulsurfer: Looking Ahead - Your 2011 Padres - A San Diego Padres Blog
"The Padres 2011 team with a payroll very similar to 2010. Hoyer and Moorad have already said the Padres will increase payroll for 2011. Of course they also said the Padres would spend more money in 2010 and they didn't so take that for what its worth."
Ted Leitner comes on with BR, Jack Cronin, Vincie Glenn and Chris Chandler to discuss the Padres season.
Heath Bell joins BR, Jack Cronin, Vincie Glenn and Chris Chandler to discuss the Padres final game versus the Giants and the overall season.
TV analysts for the Padres Mark Grant joins Hacksaw and discuss the season that was for the Friars.
Giants skipper Bruce Bochy on the turning point of the season, how big Aubrey Huff & Pat Burrell have been & why they're leaning towards a 4-man rotation.
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"I'd like to come back to show the Padres and the San Diego fans what I can do," said Ludwick.

"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Oct 5, 2010 9:55 AM PDT reply actions
A number of reasons I think.
He genuinely struggled a bit, but there was also health (as he stated he wasn’t 100% right after his calf injury), and severe bad luck. The team just has no one near the MLB level with as much upside as Ludwick. If they want to compete in 2011, they don’t really have much of a choice but to bring him back.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 5, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Severe bad luck?
Were his balls not dropping? (hehe) What upside are you referring to? His career stats? Are corner outfielders with career numbers of .266/.337/.476 really that hard to come by?
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Oct 5, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at his batted ball profile.
He actually hit MORE line drives with San Diego than vs. St. Louis—23.4% vs. 22.3%. Despite that, he saw his BABIP fall from .325 with the Cardinals to .257 with the Padres. There’s no way to explain that other than bad luck. He was still hitting the ball hard.
As for his upside, what he was doing with St. Louis before he was traded isn’t unrealistic to expect from him: a .281/.343/.484 triple slash with a .203 ISO and 125 wRC+.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 5, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn
That is shitty.
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I'm probably not following, so bear with me
How far are you going back? It seems his St. Louis numbers were inflated by his 2008 season, as this 2008 Hardball Times article seems to suggest, as well as his 2009 campaign (.265/.329/.447)…
The reason for his apparent 2008 “breakout” was a very high .349 BABIP and the aforementioned HR/FB. This leads to a huge disparity between his actual .299 batting average and his .250 True Batting Average.
… in which case, his 2010 St. Louis numbers should be considered “good luck” rather than his 2010 San Diego numbers as “bad luck”, no?
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by TheGrandHatching on Oct 5, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Fancy graph

"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on Oct 5, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
When I was quoting his STL numbers there,
I was referring to his 2010 production as a Cardinal, I wasn’t going back to 2008.
With BABIP for hitters, you have to go past just comparing it to the average. Unlike for pitchers, hitter BABIP isn’t all or even mostly luck, it’s also a function of how well they hit the ball. Research shows that while pitchers can’t control what happens to balls that get put in play against them, players can demonstrate a repeatable ability to hit the ball hard. This manifests mostly in Line Drive rate (LD%). If you want to try and separate luck from skill in the batter’s BABIP, you have to look at their batted ball profile (line drives, fly balls, ground balls, etc) and figure out what their BABIP “should” have looked like (xBABIP, or expected BABIP).
Ryan Ludwick’s xBABIP with the Padres was .320. Based on the number of line drives, ground balls, and fly balls he hit, he should have seen about 32% of his balls in play fall in for hits. Instead it was a crazy low .257. What was his BABIP with the Cardinals in 2010? .325.
It’s unfair to expect Ryan to repeat 2008. That was probably his career year. But it’s not unfair to expect him to be an above average hitter, which is what he was for the Cardinals in 2010. He’s not going to hit as many home runs, because the ballparks are smaller in the NL West than in the NL Central, and we saw that as his HR/FB rate dropped from 10.5% to 9.4%. But he was still hitting the ball hard, even more so than with the Cardinals, and he was even walking more with us than he did with St. Louis.
I’m not going to say he didn’t struggle, which he clearly did at times, and he’s admitted as much himself. But the numbers show us that he was also the victim of plenty of bad luck.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 5, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gotcha. Thanks!
Is .257 actually crazy low for an xBABIP of .320 given that it only accounts for 239 ABs? Or can that type of variability be expected? How reliable is even a full year’s worth of data? (Actually, I can just look this up…)
Thanks again!
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by TheGrandHatching on Oct 5, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, let's take a look.
He put 148 balls in play. He ended up with 38 hits out of those 148 for his .257 BABIP. If we normalized his BABIP, he’d have ended up with about 47 hits on balls in play. Let’s say they were all singles (even though they probably wouldn’t have been).
In that case, his new batting average would have been .253 as opposed to the .211 that it was. His OBP would have gone up from .301 to .339. His SLG would have gone up from .330 to .373. Lastly, his wOBA would have gone up from .285 to .320, which is above average in this run environment.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 5, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
If Ludwick just turns to the left or right a little bit - while he is batting
he won’t hit line drives at people
I BELIEVE
Turn a little to the right please ...
just as Gwynn Jr. will look to shorten his swing & Headley will hit the weights and change his diet in order to bulk up.
I realize that what I just said didn't answer your question.
Sure, you can expect variations in small sample sizes. The point is that his numbers in 239 PAs weren’t a good measure of his true talent level. Give him a full season and he’ll be better.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 5, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Give him a full season and he’ll likely be better.
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He really only saw a small drop in HR/FB rate.
10.5% in St. Louis vs. 9.4% with San Diego. That’s to be expected due to the size of the parks. It was a reason, but not the sole or even main cause of why he failed to produce.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 5, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Me, too.
I totally expected Wonko to just come and Wonk you both up the ass.
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Wonk who what now?
In the ass you say?
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The Padres control Adrian Gonzalez through the end of 2011 when he becomes a free agent. His trade value is already dropping. Trade him now for prospects, let him walk after 2011 or find a way to open the vault for a long-term contract.
Yes. Those are our options. Good analysis.
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by TheGrandHatching on Oct 5, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions
I don't know
If we make another run without Adrian. Blanks isn’t ready yet.
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by Jonathan Holmes on Oct 5, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't ever say that again.
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by Mad_Villain on Oct 5, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I heard Blanks won't be back until the All Star break.
by recorddigger on Oct 5, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Last interview with Hoyer on that matter
The GM said that he could be ready during Spring Training.
That being said, I think he’d benefit from a year in AAA anyway.
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Center thinks the Kouz trade was a failure?
Sure, Hairston didn’t perform, but I think Cunningham is a major payoff.
Cunningham is an incomplete.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 5, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Zach
maybe you could do some season reviews for some of the key players on this team???
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Right now I'm working on something similar.
I’m writing a series of posts on the team’s outlook for 2011, which will include a review of what each player did for the team in 2010.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 5, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
This
in advance.
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by TheGrandHatching on Oct 5, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Center is a moron
The known guys in that trade did dick for their teams, but Cunningham and Sogard look like they can at least contribute. Outside of that, it’s an addition by subtraction by removing Kevin “GIDP Face” Kouzmanoff from the lineup.
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Also
Not having Headley’s D in the left field is a major payoff as well.
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Headley also did well at 3rd on top of that
Hey, I know you’re a prospects guy, isn’t Tate playing in the AZ fall league? How’s he doing?
Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Oct 5, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I know you didn't ask me, but Arizona Fall League hasn't started.
Tate isn’t on the Saguaro’s roster, but Luebke, Martinez, Brach and Figueroa are. Luebke is the prospect closest to the majors, but Figueroa is the one I’m most excited about. He looks like he has the right tools for Petco.
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And Forsythe. I missed him on the roster because of dumb skimming.
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Thanks
Didn’t know when it started. Thanks for the info
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by mrbarneydangles on Oct 5, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell is WSS babbling about? Why do we continue to link to his psycho-nonsense?
Not only was our payroll what they said it would be, they took on EXTRA money with Ludwick and Tejada’s Ks
Fire Bud Black
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 5, 2010 2:24 PM PDT reply actions
Our payroll wasn't what they said it would be until we took on those guys
They said it would begin with a 4 and it was something just over $39M before adding those guys.
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Yoda got DFA'd
Yoda, the Star Wars figure who was the mascot of the Padres bullpen this season, has been designated for assignment. “His contract will not be renewed,” said Ryan Webb, the reliever who looked after Yoda.
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He was really old.
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by Axion on Oct 5, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
speaking of contracts not being renewed
any chance tthe padres get chris young back on the cheap? or is it about a foregone conclusion that he’s outta here?
by Lancers46 on Oct 5, 2010 8:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Based on what Jed said in the above articles, it looks like they would like him to return but not for $8.5 million
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Just an FYI
“Renewing” a contract has a specific meaning. It refers to the contracts of pre-arbitration players. Mat Latos, Will Venable, Nick Hundley, Luke Gregerson, etc. will have their contracts “renewed”. For Chris Young specifically he will either need his $8.5M option picked up or he will need to sign a brand new contract.
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