Retired Numbers
by strummer on Jan 5, 2010 2:15 PM PST
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Baseball Almanac has lists of retired numbers for each team. Most teams seem to restrict it to the obvious, slam-dunk choices, with maybe one fan favorite thrown in. A player who died tragically is also a common choice. Some teams like the Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, and Orioles seem to only retire Hall Of Famers who are strongly tied to the club. Others like the Astros seem to retire anyone who had a good career. I think it cheapens the currency.
Expos: Carter, Raines, Dawson, Staub
That seems fair. Staub only spent a few years there, but he was a '69 original Expo, and he embraced the city by learning some French. He was also their first star.
Angels: Carew, Ryan, Fregosi
No Don Baylor, Grich from '79, but that is fine with me.
Mets: Seaver
No Hernandez, Carter, Strawberry, Gooden from '86. No Agee, Clendenon, Koosman, from '69. No McGraw '73
The closest thing to Garvey being retired by the Padres would be Tampa retiring Wade Boggs number, and the Brewers retiring Henry Aaron and Rollie Fingers number. Aaron makes a little bit of sense because he began his career there. Then again, the Mets have not retired Willie Mays number under similar circumstances.
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Re-posting what I posted in the other thread...
I may make some people here mad for saying this, but I don’t think Garvey’s or Winfield’s numbers should be retired. And I think that Randy’s is questionable.
Garvey’s number being retired is embarrassing. He had 4 decent years here and is beloved for one swing of the bat. Not to take anything away from that homerun, but one shouldn’t earn their number being retired because of one homerun.
Winfield had 7 1/2 good years here. That’s great. Again, not to take away from the impact he had here, but retiring numbers should be reserved for guys who are absolute cornerstones of an organization. It should be an honor ever greater than being in the HOF. For a guy most people remember as being a member of another team, it just doesn’t make sense to have his number retired here.
Jones’ number being retired I can accept, but if it was up to me, I’d probably say that he wasn’t quite up to the standards required for number retirement. He was only here for eight seasons and of those, about half were good or great. The other four were average or poor. Love Randy Jones… but I think maybe the number retirement was a bit premature.
The only "slam dunks" that I see are Gwynn and Hoffman (when he’s done).
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jan 5, 2010 2:40 PM PST reply actions
The Garvey one is embarrassing.
I can handle Winfield and Jones somewhat. I think it would be better if there was only one of those, but I can deal with it.
I don’t mind one fan favorite, or star who left (see Expos) from the early years.
Meanwhile the Dodgers have not even retired Garveys number. Nor Gibsons, Hersheiser, etc from the 1980s championship teams.
Winfield
did go into the HOF as a Padre, so I am fine with his. Garvey and Jones should not be retired.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
That was a shady deal though
The Padres paid Winfield to go in as a Padre.
Because of that, the HOF now chooses which team a player goes in as.
I like being the reason why we can't have nice things
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Have you forgotten the slogan already?
San Diego Padres: We Ruin Everything
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And the new logo
is one of those Calvin decals peeing on the HOF
Its a shame that Winfield was the first player to go in as a Padre
and not Tony.
by Grey Suit on Jan 5, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that was actually Wade Boggs and the Devil Rays
it was because of Winfield’s hatred of the Steinbrenners that he picked the Padres
not true
Boggs was paid by the Rays, Winfield’s was chosen by the hall.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
It's embarassing
But Padres baseball is often embarrassing. I find that it’s a good fit that way.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
by Wonko on Jan 5, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Not to be overly picky, but
Aaron did not begin his career as a Brewer, but as a Milwaukee Brave, and moved with them to Atlanta. Playing for the Brewers for a couple of years at the end of his career should not warrant number retirement by the Brewers. The Mets didn’t retire Mays’ number. To be fair to Milwaukee fans, it was not their fault that the owner of the Braves became a teatotaller and banned alcohol sales at the park.
"And now for something completely different"
Aaron did not begin his career as a Brewer, but as a Milwaukee Brave, and moved with them to Atlanta
Of course! The Brewers didn’t come into existence until 1970. When teams relocate, I think it creates some unique circumstances. I think Aarons number being retired by the Brewers is to honor his Milwaukee career. That bothers me much less than the Brewers retiring Rollie Fingers’ number and the Padres retiring Garveys.
Expansion teams replacing a team that moved or disolved often try to honor the past.
Walter Johnson-Washington
Ted Williams- San Diego
Old Dodgers & Giants- Mets
They may not retire the numbers, but they are honored one way or another.
Sorry
I always screw up the quotations on this site. My response is inside the box
On a related note,
Since the Brewers are an NL team now, and baseball struggled to find good rivalries for the interleague games, doesn’t it make much more sense for Milwaukee to be rivals with Seattle, seeing as Milwaukee stole the team from Seattle? Maybe old Bud Selig doesn’t like to bring that up.
"And now for something completely different"
by Boilermaker19 on Jan 6, 2010 5:15 AM PST up reply actions
The White Sox
played in Milwaukee also.
In the years between the Braves and Brewers, they would play about 10 home games a year in Milwaukee.
Only Tony has a statue
Statue>retired jersey. At Staples, numerous Lakers have retired jerseys but only Magic has a statue. Tony Gwynn and Trevor Hoffman are the only two all time great Padres in my eyes, and I’m not just saying that because I’m only 23. They are all time great Padres because they spent 99% of their career playing for the Padres. There isn’t even a question of which team they will enter the HOF with, it’s the Padres.
Winfield is a Yankee and Garvey is a Dodger, just like Ozzie is a Cardinal, and McGriff a Brave. Sure they are good players that played for the Padres but they aren’t breathing Padres Brown and Yellow…I mean Brown and Orange…I mean Blue and Orange…I mean Blue and White…I mean Sand and Blue…ahh hell, what color do we bleed?
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 5, 2010 8:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
what about an oil painting in a gilded frame?
cause that’s what i’d like to go with. that or a fresco of me drinking a fresca.
by Dex on Jan 5, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Some teams have a Team HOF also
They may honor a player, but that doesn’t mean they retire his number or build a statue.
I think you have to look at the Jones retired number historically
The team wanted to have a retired number that the city could celebrate beyond Garvey since he was the only one retired at that point. Jones had a successful Padres career and continued to be an ambassador for the club at the stadium for years and years after. It was a moment to celebrate and cheer and it looked a lot better to have 35 and 6 than just 6. What about Winfield, you say? I’m not sure that in the 1990s Winfield was held in as high of a regard as is today. Until he went into the hall with the SD logo on the cap I think the city had lost its connection with him.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
If that is the case
then they should have retired Gwynns number while he was still playing.
It wouldn’t have been the first time a number has been retired before that player was retired.
When looking at the expansion teams, I prefer what the Angels, Mets, Expos, and Royals have done.
The Padres are in the group with the Astros and Brewers, and Rays.
I still say
What the Padres have done with retired numbers fits the organization to a T.
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
by Wonko on Jan 6, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As you said earlier
It’s embarrassing, but Padres baseball is often embarrassing
how do you do that with the quotes?
you should be doing:
<blockquote>It’s embarrassing, but Padres baseball is often embarrassing</blockquote>
to get:
It’s embarrassing, but Padres baseball is often embarrassing
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
that's what I am doing
I keep having problems with it lately.
The only way I can repeat what you're doing is to do this:
<blockquote>hi there<blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
hi there
I'm the first person to admit that I'm wrong about a lot of things, but I'm going to be the last person to admit I'm wrong about what we're currently talking about.
breathing Padres Brown and Yellow
That sounds like it stinks.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jan 6, 2010 8:28 AM PST reply actions
haha
I meant to say bleeding.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 6, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
you could get an infection that way
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Future retired number
Just some of the players who the Padres could stupidly/correctly retire in the future, you tell me?
- Steve Finley
- Ken Caminiti
- Jake Peavy
- Adrian Gonzalez
no
no
no
maybe
Big kid tested, mother fucker approved
by CurbEnthusiasm on Jan 11, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Only if....
Adrian stays. I mean, Finley? Cam? Good players but not great enough to have their numbers retired. Sorry. I love Jake Peavey but he’s not a Padre any longer. Trevor for sure though!
Noel.Diggity.....NO DOUBT!
by Noel.Diggity on Jan 11, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
You honor Finley and Caminiti
by honoring the ‘98 pennant.
You can also honor Peavy’s CYA and Caminiti’s MVP, but don’t retire their numbers.
Glad to hear
Good to see I am not alone in believing that the Padres would be stupid to do such a thing. I actually believe that if Adrian leaves here next year, we shouldn’t retire his number either. Prey that doesn’t happen
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