This is the worst Padres team I've been around.
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"That's just like, you know, your opinion, man."
But seriously, who do you think the rookie lounging around was? At first I though TGJr, but he’s mentioned later in a flattering way. Same with Everth. I’m thinking Venable. Smart people are always lazy.
He said hitter
so it isn’t one of the pitchers. Blanks maybe? Gotta be him or Venable. They need Lou from Major League to kick some a**.
Love we shine like a burning star
We're falling from the sky tonight
by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 22, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I just thought of a nickname for Venable
Vegetable
Fire Bud Black!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jul 22, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
My blind guess would be Venable
because if he gets sent down, so what, he gets to kick it with his dad again.
Maybe Blanks on account of management basically treating him in that very same fashion since he got here.
Honestly, no clue. All these kids just got here and we know hardly anything about them, besides their woeful hitting performance.
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???
I am as stumped as you are, but do you really believe that Venable would rather be hanging with pops than be up in the show? I have a hard time dealing with my folks for 2 days and I never worked my ass off through the minors.
I hope to holy hell that it isn’t Blanks. We need someone fan-friendly to be here if/when they deal Adrian.
I am finding myself not wanting to find out. It would make this season more painful.
San Diego, where the fans don’t want douche-bags…unless their name starts with BRA and ends with DLEY.
No, I don't believe that
Like I said, blind guess, but honestly, no clue. Pure speculation. Can you really fault me for speculating that being 1, 2, 3… or NO hit in The Show isn’t so much fun?
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He never wrote anything like that
in the UT
Speaking of blogging and blogspot
DEPO, WHERE ARE YOU HIDING!?!?
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I noticed that
He hasnt posted since early July
But tell us how you really feel TK
I think it is long overdue to read something like this.
Good job by Mr Krasovasoricceeeech.
Brutal...
Players who have yet to do anything in the major leagues appear overly comfortable. Such as the rookie who lounged in the clubhouse while the rest of the team’s hitters met in a separate room. Such as the players who chatted on cellphones 25 minutes before a game. Or hobnobbed with friends in a clubhouse tunnel 30 minutes before first pitch.
Defend Bud Black all day long if you will…“he doesn’t have the talent”….“injuries”…any other horseshit excuse you can come up with….the above paragraph says all you need to know about his so-called leadership.
Just because we suck doesn’t mean we have to accept sucking.
by Drama on Jul 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is the kinda stuff I want to see accompanying criticisms of managers
Not that we should have used the yellow gas can instead of the red one.
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Agree
I think the main role of a manager is managing the clubhouse, the personalities, culture of the team etc.
I think the game calling aspect only impacts a few games a year.
I've come out in defense of Buddy before
but mainly for the reason that the criticisms didn’t isolate his failures, they leaned on someone else’s, but the attitude reported here is inexcusable.
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Plus there are no
real veterans to provide leadership right now
I KNEW you'd finally see things my way...
Drama is an a-hole.
by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 22, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What's most frustrating
is that they are calling up all these young guys and this is apparently what they are seeing. Regardless of how talented any of these guys are, if this is their introduction to the majors, its going to be hard for any of them to excel or reach their potential.
Drama is an a-hole.
by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 22, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is what I have always wondered...
For what seems like half a decade or so, I have seen players arriving in SD and immediately their numbers dip. Park effects taken into consideration (50% of our games are not in Petco), free agents seem to have bad years when they arrive but seem to love this clubhouse. We call up prospects and they tend to be underwhelming. Is our “relaxed clubhouse atmosphere” so much so that it takes the drive out of players?
Is a Giles naked shower hug the tempting apple in the garden of eden?
I don't think it's the clubhouse atmosphere
The free agents the Padres bring were already not very good or were headed for the decline phase of their careers. The Padres neglected and/or torpedoed their farm system from the mid-90s to ~2005, so the young players just aren’t as good as other teams’ young players. That, combined with a little bad luck with some of our young players has the Padres where they are at. With how badly the franchise was managed throughout the years, the successes they did have are quite astounding. The 1996 and 1998 teams were basically based on trades that turned out good better for the Padres than the teams they were dealing with and the same thing fueled the 2004-2007 run along combined with the one success the Padres farm system had since the early 90s (Jake Peavy) and a couple free agents who didn’t decline as much as they could have (Piazza, Maddux, Wells).
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
It might very well be time for a clean sweep
I don’t think Black deserves alot of the blame and I think at the very minimum Towers gets SOME credit for getting players like Cabrera, Eckstein, Mujuica, Gregerson, Gwynn and the like as much as he should get blame for some boneheaded moves.
Unfortunately with the apathy of the players and the anger of the fans, it might just be required to sweep the lot of them out and start fresh. And that might also precede a firesale.
Don't sweep Cabrera...
He is rough around the edges but could be our missing link of shortstops. I am so impressed in him for a single A player to be performing like he does. Unless this season RUINS him and his confidence.
Agreed
Lots of the younger players like cabrera, Gwynn, latos, headley, blanks, stauffer will have to be the foundation. But pretty much everyone with value in the market (Bell, Peavy, Young perhaps, AGon) and those that aren’t worth Jack (LeBlanc, Geer, moreno, venable maybe antonelli) or aren’t any good need to be moved out asap. Mix some veterans in like eckstein and a few others might form a decent enough team
by TheAxManCometh on Jul 22, 2009 10:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I said it earlier
Out of the 9 players that started for us today…..ONE is a major league caliber player, Gonzalez. ONE. There is some talent (Blanks, Cabrera) but those guys should probably still be in the minors. Of course Headley and TGJ were on the bench too. Sunday special for BB.
Fire Bud Black!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jul 22, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions
I love this
He is completely right on everything! And I really hate the fact that a rookie doesn’t think he needs to try now that he’s in the majors.
I am sort of mad
at the UT for just repeating the company line, and hiding this from us.
Earlier this year
It seemed like they gave more effort than last year’s team. But, now, they seem to have found that same sort of general malaise. They only surprising thing? Kouz actually looks like he’s the only one trying out there. Maybe ECab too. Probably Bell as well.
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
That's pretty bad if he's trying and still striking out 4 times a game
Fire Bud Black!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jul 22, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Even though he struck out 4 times
He swung extra hard each time and hustled back to the dugout afterwards.
Yeah earlier this year
they played with effort, possibly looking to silence the critics who said they’d lose 100 games. They managed to go on a few runs and play some fun baseball. But around late May they had a team meeting and decided to collectively stop hitting baseballs.
Reading about the clubhouse attitude is insanely frustrating. I hate this team.
When will Dex's WORST SEASON EVAR! post be up?
Drama is an a-hole.
by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 22, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions
Not quite, but close. Lets get some help.
I don’t have a problem with top half of the lineup, but I would like something from the bottom. Its like a girl with a decent grill (Cabrera and Gwynn), ample chesticles (Agon) and an small belly (Kouz and Head), but then you see the lack of cushion and the skinniest , jerry springer trailer trash chicken legs. This team needs some Eric Owens-esque players to help fill out the thin line-up. Or some QUALITY veteran presence to at least provide support.
I watch the dodgers with Hudson and the giants with Kung-fu Panda and all I see is excitement and energy. We can’t count on a Rule V kid to be the emotional catlayst. We need to interject some life into this lineup or less people are going to watch or even care about the Friars.
++ I use the term “Friars” due to the comment by the new COO, Mr. Breakfast town himself, that he does not like the term and would like everyone (management, broadcasters etc) to refer to them properly as the Padres. Pretty soon SD will be a “nickname free” town and Uncle Teddy and Colonel Coleman will be plain old Ted Leitner and Jerry Coleman.
by Geomerzi on Jul 22, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
oh doctor hang a star on that
these are bad padres last year was bad this year is worse were headed to Philly then a show down with the majors worst fire Bud Black
by Lone Padre Fan QCA on Jul 22, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
That small belly
Must have a tattoo of an ex-boyfriend’s name on it, because it is not looking like anything I want around.
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
I wouldn't consider
KKKKouuz or Headley assets right now.
I still like Headley in the long run, but these two are a big liability in the heart of the lineup right now.
according to this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-padresblack070309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
They were going to, but its been almost 3 weeks since this article was published and still no extension.
didn't see this thread
(that’s what i get for not looking)
I really wouldn’t be disappointed if Moorad tore it all down and started over again.
Kras had a few other solid lines in that piece about hitters not listening to coaches based upon allegiances. If that’s the case, based upon everything else we know about front office dysfunction, ownership really needs to just remove everyone and start over.
It couldn’t get any worse, at every level of this organization, so i can’t think of a better time than now.
This team needs a shot in the arm, and they need to show some progress towards next season, or they can just consider 2010 a lost season at the turnstile too, and that will only deepen the problem
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Shot in the arm
if anybody thinks that Mat Latos will be a shot in the arm for the organization .. they should read this.
http://www.gaslampball.com/2009/7/22/958653/the-handling-of-mat-latos#comments
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I agree he was rushed
but only in the sense that
a) we don’t want to overwork him this year
b) I’d have waited until next year so we could hold up on service time
by NeifiChicken on Jul 23, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm in support of the FIRE F___ING EVERYONE plan now
But ownership is still left in charge…
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I think Moorad is waiting until the end of the season
and thing he will bring down the hammer and start the fire sale…
I think Peavy, A-Gon, Young and Bell will all be traded and the only players on the current roster who will be here next year will be Gwynn, Cabrera, Blanks, Latos, Hundley, Gregerson and Mujica.
I don't know if i even blame the players
there is talent there.
Adrian
Bell
Everth Cabrera ..
Kouz was a much better player than “the Franchise” in the minors, we all know they are both talented ballplayers.
Peavy
Young ..
the talent is there, they are just a few pieces away. They are always just a few pieces away.
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The assumption that they are just a few pieces away
Relies heavily on the assumption that Peavy and Young can ever stay healthy. If you lose 2 of your top starters every year for an extended amount of time then unless you have a giant payroll you aren’t going to win much.
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
Young missing 2008 wasn't really his fault.
It was all the xerox machine.
But I agree with the point, though.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 23, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Young has had to miss time every season he has pitched
There are large number of baseball pundits/scouts that don’t think he has the durability to make it through a season. And they thought that before this season started.
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
Would he have missed any time if not for Pujols?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 23, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He has never pitched 200 innings
In fact he has never pitched 180 innings in a season.
IMO he is very overrated
Never won even 14 games.
Never pitched even 180 innings
He benefits a lot from being a flyball pitcher in a pitchers park.
Since you can't rate pitching ability using wins
I’m not sure what the second sentence is doing there.
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by Wonko on Jul 23, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wins are not the best indicator of ability, I agree
But then again, I am not questioning his ability.
I am questioning his performance. His track record.
Wins do not equal individual performance either
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
if that's the case
i don’t blame him for lounging. Not like he’ll be in SD for long, he never is.
by TheAxManCometh on Jul 23, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Alfonzo isn't a rookie.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Jul 23, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not sure
the story says a “rookie”
It says a player who has not established himself yet.
Or something like that.
I will have to go read it again.
I will read it to my daughter when I put her to bed tonight.
None of this is the problem
This is just a classic case of Sports Writers coming up false rationalizations to try and explain something that is ultimately very simple: the team is just not that good.
Does anyone really think the Padres problem is a rookie who didn’t attend a meeting? Or because we are missing the “leadership and knowhow” of our veterans?
I mean the team just isn’t that good. There are enough interesting prospects in the system to hope for better days ahead, but for now, the focus needs to be on fine tuning those better days rather than worry about body language of the current club.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well put...
When the club trades away a clutch hitter like Hairston, to open up a spot for rookies…there is no season this year. It is all about the future and training your AA players against major league talent. Guess what, minor league prospects don’t match up well and we get our ass kicked over and over. Hopefully these guys will turn it around in a year or 3.
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by planetjeffy on Jul 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The rookie problem
is a symptom of the real problem, not the problem itself. This attitude has to change. Fans already question whether or not this awful assembly is even trying, and now it’s out that some of them aren’t and their teammates and management apparently are fine with that.
If there’s anything that could drive me away from Padres baseball, it’s the attitude presented in Kras’ article. Lose 110 games if you will, but you better be f_____g trying your damnedest not to.
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by Axion on Jul 23, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree it should change
But I’m sure similar stories happen in every clubhouse. Every team usually has a few clubhouse incidents, and in truth this really isn’t that bad compared to the stories coming out of the Mets about members of the front office challenging players to fights.
The real issue to me is what’s on the field itself, and clearly there are a ton of problems there, but that’s the focus. What happens there isn’t related to the other stuff, at least not too a large degree
by NeifiChicken on Jul 23, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I swear
I saw this exact article two years ago…about the Dodgers. How there young players (Loney, Kemp, Either, Billingsley, Broxton) all were too smug and didn’t behave like Juan Pierre or Izturus….
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
probably did
It’s all just sportswriter BS so they can claim to have some insight that simply isn’t there. Teams by and large are what they are. Teams with good players win more than teams that don’t. Their personality, habits, etc. are all just details
by NeifiChicken on Jul 23, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
You did
Jeff Kent called them out. Somebody inside the clubhouse needs to call these kids out. Nobody down there can do that right now, and that falls on the shoulders of the general manager. Get somebody in the clubhouse who can kick some of these kids dead in the ass and tell them “this is the way we do things here. get the f__k off the phone, get the f_____g crew of dudes outta here, get your ass in a meeting on time and if you don’t like it, the door is right over there. pack your trash and get the f__k out.”
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