Why the Padres should leave the fences alone at Petco Park
I know I am not the first person to post on this issue, and I am sure that I won't be the last. But I had an experience that I had to share with my Padres brethren. Last year I traveled to New York to see the Padres play the Yankees. It was a chance to see the old Yankee Stadium before they closed it and, more importantly, it gave me a chance to walk into a house full of Yankees fans in my Padres gear. No one could go with me so I went alone and was pleased to run into a few Friar Faithful while I was there. I have to say, the Yankees fans were very polite to us, if a little full of themselves. I suppose that comes along with being a Yankees fan, the sense that your team has been anointed by God to be the only team that matters, God conveniently providing the Red Sox who are hated but worthy and are clearly there to give His team something to do. Anyway, I chatted with a Yankees fan who had a lot of opinions on a lot of things. What caught my attention was his observation that "The Padres will move their fences in because people like home runs."
People like home runs. That stuck with me. Yes, I suppose that is true, fans do get really jazzed to see home runs, but is that what we really want baseball to be all about? Fans also get jazzed by hockey fights and crashes at the Daytona 500 but does that mean that they should encourage them? I know, a home run is an athletic feat and fights and crashes are not so it isn't an even comparison but the truth is they are all spectacles and that is what gets the fan excited. To me this is as empty as needing a scoreboard to tell you when to cheer. If you need a scoreboard to tell you to cheer, you aren't a baseball fan. You are welcome, please, spend your money, but you're not a baseball fan. If home runs are all that matter then let's bring the fences in to the league minimum and just sit back in our seats and watch batting practice.
Baseball is more than that. It is the hit-and-run. It is the suicide squeeze (which we just saw recently for the first time in forever). It is a pitcher toying with a no-hitter. It is a team not giving up and fighting back from six runs down and winning. Baseball is 9 players using their skills to beat the other 9 players. It isn't just one big bat smacking the heck out of the ball and trotting around the bases, as fun as that is for the scoreboard-cheering crowd.
But that is the philosophical reason for not moving the fences. There is also a very practical reason. If we move the fences in, the Padres will get more home runs...
and the other team will get more.
Not that we can't get some good bats. We have the best home run bat in baseball right now in Adrian "El Titano" Gonzalez. But lets be honest, we are never going to be able to take a big bat on the free agent market. Everytime a proven big bat hits the market, a big-market, deep-pockets team will throw a bucketload of cash at them (can you say Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez?) and we will be left with our spunky guys that are good at station-to-station ball in our newly shrunk park. Sure, we could draft some athletes and spend three-to-five years coaxing them through the minors but more often than not when they get to the show their bat will be mediocre at best. Or we could pull off that genius trade, as Kevin Towers has very ably done many times, to get a bat in. Which is, of course, how we got Adrian. But if we can only get bats two of the three possible ways, and the Yankess, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Angels, etc. can get them all three ways, where does that leave us? Sitting in our seats watching the other guys smack them out.
Having a pitchers park forces our team to build a team that can actually win. One that attracts great pitchers and uses all 9 players to win. It isn't easy, but it is doable. What we will never be is the Yankees, writing checks to every slugger that we can find. And that is fine. I don't want us to be the Yankees. Because my friend at Yankee Stadium got his wish, the new Yankee Stadium is a home run heaven. The Phillies, who played there recently commented that it was a joke. Think about that, the Phillies, who play in a band box of a park, think that new Yankee Stadium is a joke. And that Yankees fan who knows everything got to watch his boys in pinstripes lose one to the Indians 22-4. I'm not saying that will happen every day but something tells me that on that day he didn't like the home run so much. And I am betting that by next season the Yankees move their fences out a bit.
This FanPost was written by a member of the Gaslamp Ball community and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Gaslamp Ball managers or SB Nation.
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Now, that's what a FanPost should be. I rec' it.
How’s the new editing whatnot?
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Jun 2, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
New editing is pretty good.
I wanted to attach a picture of me at Yankee Stadium in my Padres gear but didn’t have it at an URL location so I skipped it. If there were a way to upload pictures saved locally that would have been perfect.
Ordo fratum magnus
by gkmandigo on Jun 3, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey you got linked
on Big League Stew, which means WE got linked on BLS… BWAHHAHA
by jbox on Jun 3, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alleluia, brother!
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by Boilermaker19 on Jun 3, 2009 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats awesome.
I was there in NY for the series last year as well. I feel like i had the same exact conversation with the Yankee fans around me.
Perhaps someone with better math skills than I should find out exactly how many more square feet of out field we have compared to other “hitter friendly” parks. I think the low # of Petco home runs has as much to do with the type of hitters that play there regularly, as it does with its size.
Seriously, if the Phillies played every home game in Petco, people wouldn’t be saying how hard it is to hit one out of here. The Phillies seem to be doing it just fine.
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Norm: The warranty on my liver.
by soulSD on Jun 3, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your right
No need to adjust the fence its fine we need some pop in our bats.Now that Hairston hurt how we going to protect A.G. no moving the fence in would sound like Ryan Klesko is running the grounds crew
by Lone Padre Fan QCA on Jun 3, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in NY to see a Yankees-White Sox game
A-Roid almost hit his 500th homer and Erin Wasserman was ejected because he accidentally hit Cano with a Knucklball
Big Numbers
by homerun013 on Jun 3, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Move them!
If you want to be purest type of fan you can make the whole argument about there being more to baseball than home runs (and I’ll agree with you by the way). You also can’t ignore the fact that 99% of the fans that go to Petco on a nightly basis don’t run to their computers and blog or comment on the team and understand or care about baseball as much as we think we do. Baseball is a form of entertainment and the Padres are a corporation providing that entertainment. Now home runs are not the only form of entertainment provided in a baseball game but they are arguably the most exciting and well known. To average fans I think a lot of aspects of the game go over looked. I have friends that watch the Padres every night on tv and then still text me questions like “who is Perdomo?”. Basically I think I take the game pretty seriously and hope that I understand it pretty well but I also know and understand that most people don’t have the same passion or knowledge of the sport and are just out there looking to be entertained. Wether that entertainment is 10 strikeouts and a 2-0 victory or a 10-9 game where there is 4hr’s they just want entertainment in some way shape or form.I think moving the fences some in 1 or 2 areas could be a good thing. The more entertaining the team can be the more people will want to come, the more people come the more money the team makes, the more money the team makes the more money they can theoretically spend on the talent. Or I can hope I guess.
I’m not saying we should turn the place into a band box or anything but I prefer a stadium to play fair in both sides of the game. Having Petco be a pitchers haven has been cool but it’s also given the Padres the incentive to go run guys who have no business starting into big league games. We’ve made grabbing under talented guys to fill out pitching spots a bad habit and it’s because we’ve had the luxury of having a big park and that irks me. I just don’t think it’s all about pitching. Our pitchers need to be able to pitch in any park and we need to be able to score runs consistently. Now wether our talent or are park is keeping us from scoring runs is an entirely different topic. Basically I think the park can be made to play a little more fairly. That’s just me though.
by krs1 on Jun 3, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand
and agree that the average baseball fan loves the longball. But I would argue that the average fan loves winning even more than that. While baseball is a form of entertainment, it is first and foremost, a sport. The idea here is to win as many games as possible, and I really do believe that our park gives us the best chance at winning. We dont grab under-talented guys out of desire, but rather necessity. Our payroll doesn’t allow us the luxury of overpaying for talent, and one way of overcoming our fiscal handicap is by exploiting our pitching (and i think the ballpark helps this).
The park is the same for both teams. Our lack of scoring is probably due to our RISP and overall OBP.
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Norm: The warranty on my liver.
by soulSD on Jun 3, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fences should be on wheels
When the umps go over the ground rules, they roll some dice and set the fences to that distance per game.
“180 to left field!?! F__K!”
by Dex on Jun 3, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I was about to say
that, great idea
Big Numbers
by homerun013 on Jun 3, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be cool
if the fences constantly moved forward and back like those basketball shooting games in arcades.
Woody: Hey, Mr. Peterson, what’s up?
Norm: The warranty on my liver.
by soulSD on Jun 3, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if it’s really back when a 2-run home run is hit, does it count as a 3-pointer?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just want the ballpark to have a Park Factor of 1
I enjoy my baseball balanced. Too much pitching is dull. Too much hitting rots your teeth.
by jbox on Jun 3, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that
Except that each year the Park Factor of 1 represents more offense. A Park Factor of 1 is league average, but with the influx over the last decade or so of parks like Chase, CBP, GAB, PNC, New Yankee Stadium, Miller and Minute Maid in addition to other factors that increase offense, the league average represents a lot more offensive than it did 25 years ago. In fact, I’m of the belief that if the Padres still played at Qualcomm it would have a Park Factor very close to Petco at this point. Without parks like Petco, Comerica and Safeco sprinkled in to balance things out the league average offensive totals would be climbing even faster.
I would only agree with the argument for Petco having a Park Factor of 1 if it included every park having a Park Factor of 1 to keep things balanced.
Memo to baseball managers: You manufacture runs by NOT making outs, not by making them on purpose.
by Wonko on Jun 3, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everything you said is correct except one thing:
The hit-and-run might possibly be the dumbest thing in baseball, right next to sac-bunting with anyone except your pitcher or David Eckstein. Especially if you’re the Padres … the last thing you want to do with guys who are already bad hitters is place extra pressure on them to execute something they suck at. Plus, when they swing-and-miss, the runner at second tends to get nailed often because it’s not a full-on steal attempt.
Suicide squeezes, on the other hand, are wicked. I don’t even care if they make statistical sense.
by Diesel_Suave on Jun 3, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't cheapen the homerun
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by Axion on Jun 3, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Story
I rec’d it. Finally somone who can say “baseball isn’t just homeruns, its the whole game”. My friends always say baseball is only fun when someone hits a home run. I say no, baseball is when everything is going. Living in Chicago, I see the longball alot on TV. It’s exciting, but thats not what wins you ball games. Ball games are won on talent and how your strategy works.
Also, it’s exciting having different ballparks, it makes every team have a different strategy and makes the game that more exciting.
Big Numbers
by homerun013 on Jun 3, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like my fences like I like my belly buttons
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by jbox on Jun 3, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I like my fences like I like my peen
deep
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Jun 3, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
sick
and wrong
"Get on board early," Black said, alluding to, what he feels, is a crop of up-and-coming players.
"I would tell those fans that we're going to play good baseball. We're going to play hard. We're going to have exciting young players..." -Bud Black
by The Kipper on Jun 3, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, success.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Jun 3, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep it going
Outfields like legs; wide open.
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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
by Axion on Jun 3, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like my dates like bleacher seats on a Sunday
…covered in seamen.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Jun 3, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
hahahaha
good one but sickening
Big Numbers
by homerun013 on Jun 4, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she mumbled.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Jun 5, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's "pen"
As in “bullpen”, or am I missing the reference?
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by Boilermaker19 on Jun 3, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
peen
your johnson
Isaac Brock is my Morrissey
by CurbEnthusiasm on Jun 3, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
El Titano
I love it!
Isaac Brock is my Morrissey
by CurbEnthusiasm on Jun 3, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome
how one of the better fan post (only behind Peter Gammons), turned into a discussion about epeen
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by Ron Mexico on Jun 4, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Leave it alone
…I feel a big comeback season when we talk Klesko out of hiding.
Hmm...a financial panther?
by friarinchicago on Jun 4, 2009 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
comeback
I don’t even need to come up with a joke; everybody knows where I’m going with this…
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
fences? ... we don't need to move no stinking fences!
Oh… for goodness sake; leave the fences where they are. After all, home runs don’t necessarily equate enjoyable baseball. Now, putting a solid home team on the field and, playing competitively … that’s a perfect pleasure!
hey, gk… keep up the good work with both the profound baseball thoughts and the clever technique of “dropping the chain.”
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by 1ballparkusher on Jun 6, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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