Is Rule 5 drafting now a form of contemptible gunslinging?
As it stands now, the Padres are ineligible to participate in Friday's draft of unprotected minor-leaguers. Only teams that have space on their 40-man rosters may participate, and the Padres topped themselves off a week-and-a-half ago when they claimed some guy named Liz off waivers from the Baltimore Orioles -- a guy named Liz with a 7.50 career ERA. Yikes. Perhaps Rule 5 participation is now considered a form of dumpster-diving that has no place in an organization that thinks strategically.
Unless the Padres do some paring before Friday's draft, they will not be able to take a chance on one of a couple players who might be able to fill one of a few holes that a team with 27 pitchers is bound to have.
One of those holes is a pit. The Padres have only one catcher, Nick Hundley, whom Jake Peavy refused to throw to last year. But Hundley's game-handling skills are not his only weakness. Now that Brian Giles is gone, Hundley's career .238 average is the lineup's most glaring weakness -- if you don't count Kevin Kouzmanoff's April, May and June at-bats.
The Padres' 40-man roster also shows the club's lingering refusal to own up to poor draft selections. Second baseman Matt Antonelli, who has been unable to hit triple-A pitching for the past two seasons, is taking up space on the roster. The Padres grabbed him with the 17th overall pick in 2006.
I suggest a trade of sorts. Get rid of Antonelli and take a shot at a catcher available in the Rule 5 draft. Robinson Chirinos is a skinny kid from Venezuela whom the Cubs did not bother to protect. Well, not much of a kid; he'll turn 26 during the upcoming season. Last summer, in 227 at-bats with the Daytona Cubs of the high single-A Florida State League, Chirinos came through with a .400 OBP. He has a similar percentage so far this winter in the Venezuelan league -- and seven HRs -- in 116 at-bats. All along, he has kept his strikeouts to a minimum.
Or take a chance on another second baseman from the South Atlantic League (Last December, the Padres plucked Everth Cabrera out of the same league, then put him at shortstop). Harold Garcia appears to have similar attributes to Cabrera. He's from Latin America. He is 23 and under 6-feet tall. And the skill sets seem to be similar: Garcia is fast; he had 42 stolen bases last year, though he was caught 12 times. His Sally numbers were better than Cabrera's had been. He averaged .291 (Cabrera was around .280) and had an OBP of .350. But also like Cabrera in the year before he jumped to the majors, Garcia struck out a ton last summer -- 100 times to 29 walks. Very Kouzmanoffian.
As it stands now, the Padres will leave it to other teams to find this year's Everth Cabrera.
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I think that the organization is still offering up sacrifices to heathen gods
in a vain hope that Antonelli will turn it around.
"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds
by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 5, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions
He's in the same league as Antonelli.
by dontkickthebaby on Dec 6, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
and he was a....
yes, you over there? That’s right a rule 5 guy.
So, what does that tell us class?
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
question why do you think the Padres kept Antonelli on the 40 man roster ?
answer because he would have been the first player taken in the rule 5 draft
If he gets the chance he will prove that the Padres made the right choice
Hmm.
Players who hit .215 one year in triple-A, then .196 in their second year in triple-A never get promoted to the majors only to raise their average to any respectable level. Still, I have no doubt Antonelli would be taken were he to be made available. It would only cost a team only $50,000 to take a chance on him. A pittance in terms of player-acquisition and -development costs. But I also have no doubt he would see the same fate as Callix Crabbe. He’s been a total failure at triple-A for two seasons now. And Eric Sogard will be Portland’s starting second baseman this year. The Padres have no room for Antonelli in their organization.
by dontkickthebaby on Dec 6, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, I like Matt Antonelli and all,
but are you his dad?
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Dec 6, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, he'd never make the Rule 5 draft
To remove him from the 40 man, he’d have to clear waivers. He wouldn’t. Period.
by realitypolice on Dec 7, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They gave him something of a reset in the AFL-B and extended work in instructs. They have to at least bring him in to spring and see what he’s got.
If it’s not promising, they can probably get him through waivers at the end of spring training when everyone else is trying to squeeze their NRI guys onto 40-man rosters. If it is, the potential for payoff is higher than on taking a flier on a Rule 5 guy.
by realitypolice on Dec 7, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe
But eh Yankees just traded their set-up guy, Brian Bruney, to the Nationals for Washington’s first-round Rule 5 pick. Though he had some injury problems last year, Bruney pitched in 44 games, going 5-0 with a 3.92 ERA. That’s some pretty good value for a pick in a draft that supposedly has no one worth taking.
I wonder who the Yankees have their eye on?
by dontkickthebaby on Dec 7, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
why dont you look it up and tell me
Big kid tested, mother fucker approved
by CurbEnthusiasm on Dec 7, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Are we a little hostile
that everybody doesn’t agree with our opinions? Don’t worry. It doesn’t hurt so much once you grow up.
by dontkickthebaby on Dec 7, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
im not being hostile
i said maybe there is nobody the padres see worth taking.
i dont care who the yankees are thinking about drafting
if you wanna bring them up tell me who they might be interested in
by the way Brian Bruney sucks ass
Big kid tested, mother fucker approved
by CurbEnthusiasm on Dec 7, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Few things
First Radhames has great stuff but has not been able to pull it all togeather…let him spend the Spring with Balsley and lets see how he does, Bell hand an ERA of over 5 when he came over to the Padres.
Robinson Chirinos should have an OBP of .400 he is 26 and is playing aginst 21 to 22 year olds.
The current Padre FO has no connectio to Antonelli, they did not draft him and they did not pay him to sign, if they are keeping him on the 40 man roster then they must see something in him.
I dont think the Pads will make any moves in the Rule V draft this year because they already have a good young base of players at the MLB level and they have chips they can move (Bell, Corriea, & Kouz) to fill holes with more young players who they will not have to keep on the 25 man roster all year.
by Grey Suit on Dec 7, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If there is no room for Matt Antonelli with the Padres than why would they keep him on the 40 man roster. Hoyer came in and cleaned house why wouldnt he do the same with Matt. I agree 215 and 196 are terrible numbers but you dont hit the way he did coming up the system then fall apart like he did for no reason. He worked with Musier this fall and he feels great, if he stays healthy he will open alot of eyes and shut alot of mouths I am looking foward to seeing it for myself
I don't exactly know why we made ourselves ineligible for the draft
but I’m giving the management the benefit of the doubt. They’re doing some decent things since taking over the team, so I’m trusting them.
Rule 5 draft isn't something to spend this much time worrying about
The chances that you get a player worth keeping are pretty small from the beginning. The Padres have been active in the rule 5 draft the last couple years for 1 reason and 1 reason only. Their upper level minor league talent was deficient. This is quickly changing for a system that John Sickels just said about yesterday “I felt this system was underrated entering 2009, and things are really looking up here.” At this point the Padres prospects are just plain better than what you’ll find in the Rule 5 draft. Also, Antonelli is more valuable than the rule 5 guys because they can put him in AAA whereas a rule 5 guy would need to play in the majors. Not to mention that you have to pay money to get the rule 5 guy to begin (a small amount in baseball business, but giving away money to other wealthy businessmen is probably never a best practice; if you want to give away money give it to charity or subsidize beer prices).
Basically, we don’t need a rule 5 guy, we don’t have room for a rule 5 guy and we sure as hell ain’t gonna pay for a rule 5 guy. So, give it a rest.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 12:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs

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