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Baseball Enjoyment Index Revisited

 

I've been thinking about my Enjoyment Index again. For those who don't know, I want to make a predictive model to try to determine how many people will show up to a Padres game at Petco. The way I figure it, the more people that show up to the games (as a percentage of capacity), the more enjoyment we've received. This is all I want from the Padres. Enjoyment.

The correlation between attendance and enjoyment isn't proven (I'm not in front of any numbers), but seems to me like a pretty good assumption. People vote with their dollars.

I know right away some of you are saying, "You're a retard, Dex. All a team needs to do to make people show up is win games." And that's obviously wrong. Look at teams like the Braves or the Marlins. They've had winning seasons in front of empty stadiums. I mean, when the Braves can't even sell out playoff games, there's something more to it than just wining and losing. Maybe the Braves marketing wasn't good. Maybe people don't like watching dominant pitchers.

Granted, winning percentage is a huge factor, so we won't discount it, but all I'm saying is that you can't only rely on it.

Intrigued!? ME TOO. All kinds of ramblings after the jump.

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It would also be helpful to know (if you're in the front office), what factors go into making any particular game well attended. First off, knowing what factors contribute to attendance (and particularly enjoyment) give you a good idea of what to do more of. Also, if we can be predictive, we can have a better understanding of how many resources any particular game might need. Ballparks should never run out of hot dogs. That right there showed everything that was wrong with the Sandy Alderson run years is the fact that Petco Park ran out of hot dogs more than once.

OK. So we're almost, but not quite convinced that we want to try to make this model. What are the factors that would go into the model? I'm writing without access to any stats right now, so I can't confirm the numbers. Better to come up with hypothesis first. First off, let's look at factors that the Padres can't really control. I'll list what comes off the top of my head and roughly in the order of how much I think they'll contribute to the model:

1. Winning Percentage - The closer the team is to 1.000, the more likely people will want to attend games.

2. Day of the Week - My guess in order of best attended games: Saturday, Friday, Sunday, Wednesday, Thursday, Tuesday, Monday.

3. Start time - I'm guessing night games are better attended than day games.

4. Opponent - We get lots of visiting fans in San Diego, but I'm assuming that lots of true Padres fans are kinda like me and not intimidated by the opposing fans. Also, there's no denying that Padres fans get a little more into when they're being riled by out of towners. Off hand I'm thinking the NL fans that contribute most to the visitor numbers: Dodgers, Cubs, Giants, Cardinals, Mets. Arizona when they're having good
years.

Those first four are what are probably most obvious to people and also things we would figure are out of the team's control. If this were a SWOT analysis, those would be our opportunities and threats. You can't guarantee more people on a Saturday night game against the Dodgers when the Padres are 25-5, but it's the best opportunity to get lots of people into the seats.

Similarly, a Monday day game against the Royals while the Padres are 6-24 is an opportunity for a nice nap at the ballpark, uninterrupted by noise or passersby.

Some of the things that would be obvious to some, but not others (also in the realm of opportunities and threats):

5. Last 10 results - People are more likely to jump onto a winning streak bandwagon.

6. Milestone games - People are going to show up if there's a chance that something awesome is going to happen.

Incidentally, this number 6 is the strategy that I'm convinced the Padres were going for those years that they knew they weren't going to compete in the early 2000s, during that post WS / pre Petco period. You have Tony Gwynn finishing up a Hall of Fame career. You bring in Rickey Henderson and start touting all of the records he could break at any moment. People show up  for that and forget about the results of the games themselves.

7. Previous season winning percentage - The better we did the previous season, the more likely people are to wanting to relive the glory and fun.

8. Place in the standings - I'm pretty well convinced that this only kinda helps. People are more likely to go see a first place team, but they're also more likely to go see a third place team who's only a half game out of first place.

I'm sure I'm missing some data points here and there. What I'd like to look at next are the pieces of the puzzle that the Padres actually can control. We'll put them all together in a big ole regression analysis and then mix in some magic and we'll all be happy with the Padres forevs.

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Outside Factors

Like something else in town is going on. Or it’s Sunday afternoon and I’d rather go to the beach, etc.

by Jonny Dub on Nov 24, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

maybe weather?

Are people scared away by rain delays in san diego typically? Maybe just straight up temperature.

by Dex on Nov 24, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

9. Offense

People want to see some runs scored. I have seen enough Petcoized pitching duels to last a lifetime.

by field39 on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

i love me some pitchers duels

It would be such a drag if every game was a 4 hour long coors field like slugfest.

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by Wonko on Nov 24, 2009 4:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Giveaways

How about some of the free crap they giveaway? T-shirts/coolers/towels, cheesy camo caps, etc.

by RoyalsFan on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

agree

although this had a bigger effect when they only had a few give a ways a year. Now that they have one almost every night, I think it is less pronounced.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 24, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm gonna look at those next

It’ll be all those little things like, fireworks, giveaway nights, food deals, two for ones, heritage nights. It be ambitious.

by Dex on Nov 24, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

How about time of year?

When weather is warmer at night, kids out of school, etc.

by 'Eaters on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

on second thought I guess this is the same year-to-year

but it would help predict attendance on an individual game basis for hot dog stocking and stuff.

by 'Eaters on Nov 24, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Hot dog stocking?

Are they giving away condoms at games now?

by theodore donald kerabatsos on Nov 24, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

they're wool stockings

for the colder nights to prevent hot dog shrinking

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 24, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

10. Clientèle & Eye Candy

I always have a better time when there are attractive women in bikini tops around, as evidenced in every beer commercial ever made, OTL, etc.

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by Axion on Nov 24, 2009 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

regression model

running a quick regression model on the Padres 2009 attendance data on baseball-reference shows that the most popular days are Sat, Sun, Fri, Thurs, Mon, Tues, and Wed in that order. Having one of the teams you mentioned in town adds about 5100 to the expected attendance, and each game the team was on pace to finish over .500 only added 31 people to the expected attendance.

by Weatherby on Nov 24, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

nice

what did you use for your regression? excel? how did you pull the BR data?

by Dex on Nov 24, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I used R to run the analysis. Nothing fancy on pulling the data, just used the button on the website to convert the table into .csv and read that into R.

by Weatherby on Nov 25, 2009 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Who's on the mound?

i’d be willing to bet the starting pitcher for the Padres probably has some effect. The SP for the opponent could also draw a crowd.

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by Boilermaker19 on Nov 24, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

Definitely agreed.

I always try to plan my games around the starting pitchers.

"I'm a Padre at heart. Always gonna root for the Padres. Twenty-five years [with this organization], how can't you? Next year I'm gonna be rooting like a son-of-a-gun for these guys and for Blackie ... I'm gonna be rooting for the next general manager here, rooting for the city, the fans, everybody. I think a lot of San Diego." -Kevin Towers

by jodes0405 on Nov 24, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

A little birdy told me

that the Padres have a formula that can predict attendance based on certain factors plus or minus 400 guests.

by jbox on Nov 24, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions  

I kind of assumed

That Dex knew this as well and was trying to duplicate that feat.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

"certain factors"

I got me a formula already, it’s called ticket sales + season tickets. It gets super accurate once I get to add in things like “tickets scanned at gate by start time”.

The thing I want to start looking at after we get past the things outside of their control are things inside their control. For example, if bobblehead giveaways are so popular as to guarantee a sell out, then why can’t the Padres find a sponsor willing to host a bobblehead night on a weeknight? Why haven’t the Padres given away a bobblehead in years?

by Dex on Nov 25, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Considering the current attendance.

They need to change some of the factors.

by field39 on Nov 24, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

A marquee player

on the oppossing team can be a big draw.
When Griffey was with the Mariners in the 1990’s, they drew very well on the road.
Same goes for Bonds

by strummer on Nov 25, 2009 4:40 AM PST reply actions  

you're slipping

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 25, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Beer

anyone mentioned Beer? I think Beer should be on the list.

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by Ron Mexico on Nov 25, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

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