"As far as approaching free agency, we're not going to be major players for free agents because of the size of our payroll," new general manager Jed Hoyer said Thursday. "But we're going to go after targets we like ... aggressively. We have money in the budget to spend on free agency."
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Money to spend on free agency...
but the payroll will still begin with a four? We might just have a real Ensberg headline coming soon…
Well we do have money to spend.
After losing Giles and Peavy and with all our young cheap players on the team I think we’re in the $35 million range (please don’t quote me on this), pending arbitration with Bell, Correia, Adams, and Kouz. That’s at least $5-10 million to spend, which is a far cry from the $2 million we spent last year. Of course I doubt we’ll spend that much considering Hoyer doesn’t think we have any huge holes (which we don’t), but still. We can certainly afford a Mike Cameron if we really want it.
We're at
$23 million give or take. Then add the raises (I already included what they made in 2009) to Bell, Correia and Kouz (I don’t think Adams has enough service time to qualify as a Super 2). If I’m being really generous it could be $14 million in raises (I’m thinking it will be less) and so that’s a little more than the $35 million you mention, but if I’m high on the raises then that’s about right.
I’m using Cot’s Contracts for this data. The only Padres making above the lowest level of salaries (which ranges from $0.404 million to about $0.438 million) are (other than the aforementioned Bell, Correia and Kouz) are Chris Young ($6.25 million), Adrian Gonzalez ($4.75 million) and Eckstein ($1 million). So it’s 19 guys making ~$0.410 million, 3 guys making $12 million combined and then 3 other guys who will make at least $2.7 million (what they made in 2009) plus some raises that we don’t know yet.
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by Axion on Nov 19, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
I questioned
the sanity of the posters on this board for allowing this to stay un-green for as long as it did.
Mike Cameron ftw
He’s a comin’
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 19, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions
Seems likely.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 6:55 AM PST up reply actions
40's makes me puke. Every team gets 70 million from revenue sharing so Moorad doesnt plan to put $1 into the lineup? He buys pancakes and eggs instead?
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by Duke Street Kings on Nov 19, 2009 6:48 PM PST reply actions
I'll give you a hint
It rhymes with:
Tea raid sit cup.
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twss?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
70 million comes from...
1. 32-35 million from MLB (from the national tv/radio deals ect.)
2. 20-25 million in revenue sharing/lux tax (thou given our attendance last year we might get a bump in the 30-32 million range)
3. 12 million from local tv deal (which is the lowest in the league)
4. 2.2 million in naming rights from Petco park.
Total 66.2-74.2 give or take before they sell a ticket.
Of course we have no idea what the exact amount the Padres have to paid to service their debt. Or any other major costs, stadium/minors/front office.
Out local tv deal is the worst, I can not wait till its up.
Nevermind...
We will stay in the 20-25 million dollar range, we didnt rank in the bottom 5 in attendance. Plus this year we will get less money from revenue sharing. Since the Yankees and Mets can subtract a portion from the debt for their new stadiums.
Wall Street Journal....
If you have a subscription. But none of its going to be 100% actuate since the owners dont have to give it. Jason Stark had story on it on ESPN today or yesterday.
And then
How much of that do that have to pay per year on their stadium because the Padres still owe a boatload on that?
Also, I think the naming rights was $60 mill over 22 years, which would be $2.7 million by my math.
Additionally, that money would also be getting used for signing draft picks, international players, coaching staffs, farm systems, travel (for players, scouts and front office personnel), front office, security, utilities and other investments (i.e. the Dominican facility). My understanding is that most “fixed” revenue, like the national TV radio deals and naming rights usually go towards the typical overhead of running a business and the more variable revenue like ticket sales, concessions and souvenirs goes towards the actual payroll for the baseball team. However, I’m not even close to being sure as to what most of those things even cost outside of the payroll and draft picks.
Just trying to help.
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According to Forbes
They are carrying about $240M in debt. There is another article somewhere, that said it was all financed with 8% non-callable bonds.
correct
Plus the City get 20% of the gate.
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I mentioned that
We have no idea what the actual cost of running the organization is. None. Mainly cause the owners will not open their books.
Though we can get a solid idea of what they owe on the stadium/loans with Forbes. The Padres are one the hook for 173 million over a 20 year term, assuming equal payments would be about 8.65 million a year. But we have no idea what the terms of the sale are, if that was included in the price or not. I am assume with the deal for 500 million it was included, meaning that Moores had is still responsible for the bonds, but we dont know if the Moorad group had the money or if they themselves got a loan.
Its impossible from the outside to say with any real proof if the revenue sharing money is being wasted or not.
I must be reading the Forbes article wrong
I thought 400M in value with a 60% debt/ value would be 240 ???
You are not.
I wasnt stating for all of the debt with my numbers. Just what the Padres owe one the stadium. I have no information on what other debt they maybe be carrying.
The debt service alone is staggering.
The Moorad group is going to need extremely deep pockets, just to dig out of the debt hole.
yanks
are not paying lux tax this year or the next 20 and have a HUGE discount in revenue sharing since they can “hide money” with the new stadium deal they shoved down Seligs throat.
"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
I thought I had read
the Yankees luxury tax is much lower.
They still pay some, but it is significantly less than it previously was.
local TV
is $2m in profit, since they are responsible for production.
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xavier nady
is a right handed bat, looking for a comeback year …and he still lives in SD
by Mad_Villain on Nov 19, 2009 10:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm still mad at Bochy for not playing Nady
For Pete’s sake, Bochy played Miguel Ojeda—a crappy backup catcher—over Nady (in the outfield!) at least once or twice.
Nady
Is not really a starting caliber player at this point. He’s more of a platoon guy that plays okay defense because of his arm. He’s not really the sort of player the Padres would want to invest in.
The only free agents the Padres should sign are ones that will sign short term deals and fill a need that the organization is positive cannot be filled internally. Like 2nd base and David Eckstein where you are signing a low risk, somewhat low reward player to fill a role that would otherwise be occupied by a high risk, low reward player. Backup catcher would be another spot for a free agent to fill. Right handed platoon CF would be another. Possible UT INF (that can play SS). That’s basically it though. Every other role on this team can be filled internally at low cost and chance of medium to high reward, which beats whatever is available to the Padres in free agency.
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couldnt he platoon the corners?
we have veneble, c. gwynn’s nephew and louis durango in cf. im really not sure why the outfield is a concern.
by Mad_Villain on Nov 21, 2009 8:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't think Durango was considered the answer?
If he’d be okay in left field I’d play him there. Headley is Captain Strikeout, and Gwynn Jr. and Venable have looked very good at times in center and right, respectively.
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Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Headley>Venable>>CJN
Venable actually strikes out more often than Headley so I’d rethink who you call Captain Strikeout
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by CurbEnthusiasm on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Why pay him 3-7 million dollars
when you can get similar or better production from Headley, Blanks, and Venable for much cheaper?
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by CurbEnthusiasm on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Nady- been there done that. If any ex-padres are coming back I hope its Bay. I also hope Pamela Anderson sleeps with me tonight
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by Duke Street Kings on Nov 20, 2009 8:49 AM PST reply actions
Pamela Anderson?
Hey the 90’s called and they wanted to tell you it’s now 2009.
Pamela has hep, her vagine looks like a wizards sleeve & she is also 50 now. I mean seriously have you seen her without makeup on?
by SDPads_1 on Nov 20, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope Oliva Wilde sleeps with me tonight
Or Chrissy Russo that works too.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmm that's odd
I would have pegged you for Kate Hudson ’tec…..you know considering you guys share the same love for the Yankees and all.
And everything they touch turns out awful
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by Axion on Nov 20, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
luvya 'tec!
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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 20, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol- I guess I was settling there. shame on the Duke
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