Adrian Gonzalez wins non-existent Modesty Award to accompany Gold Glove
by jbox on Nov 11, 2009 10:44 PM PST
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PrintCongratulations to Adrian Gonzalez for winning his second Gold Glove, I guess.
He doesn't sound the least bit excited about it. Instead he thinks that Helton, Pujols and Lee were all deserving and the voters chose him based on his defensive performance in 2008.
Is he trying to win a modesty award too? Is he aware that there is no modesty award? Furthermore does he know that it's really annoying that he can never just graciously accept an award or a compliment?
When it comes to Gold Gloves for first basemen voters like consistency but at third base it's a different story. They want flashy great plays and that's where Kouzmanoff was lacking. Sure he only had a few errors, but this isn't the award for fewest errors or best fielding percentage. It's an award of perception and if you want to be thought of as a great third basemen, then you better be diving into foul territory and throwing out runners while laying on your back.
Kouzmanoff barehanded a few bunts, made routine plays, but besides that I didn't see anything that impressive from him this season. If there weren't so many articles about his lack of errors and his Gold Glove candidacy in the past few months, I would never even have considered him.
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Kouzmanoff did not even deserve consideration for a Gold Glove award.
Fielding percentage is a poor way of evaluating a fielder, and that has been the view for more than 20 years.
by brewer090 on Nov 12, 2009 5:56 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
BUT HE NEVER DROPPED THE BALL!
Big kid tested, mother fucker approved
by CurbEnthusiasm on Nov 12, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
existent is spelled "existent" -- not "existant"
Just trying to help.
My friend Sandy Alderson was on 1090 late yesterday evening
and he explained that because of how the voting is done, a bunch of ballots get passed around a clubhouse and everyone asks the guy next to them who they should vote for, it’s easy for players to get overlooked after only one season, even if they’re flashy.
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WAIT WAIT WAIT
I missed THE SANDY ALDERSON yesterday?!?!?!?! I’m off to the interview vault over at 1090 and it BETTER BE POSTED!!
Joe Totino and Psycho Sykes
filled in for John Kentera and had him as a guest. I doubt they recorded it, much less posted it.
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Stictly from a defensive point of view
Who would you rather have at 3B,
Kouzmanoff or Zimmerman?
I don't know, I didn't watch Zimmerman
But I do know that the difference between an error and a base hit can be/is a matter of the scorekeeper’s opinion, so I don’t trust it as a defensive metric, and if that’s the only point in the case for Kouz, then I’ll go ahead and go with Zimmerman. His name starts with a ‘Z’, which is cooler than just having a ‘z’ in it.
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Zimmerman, and it's not close.
The defensive metrics are unanimous on this.
Many of the respected defensive metrics don’t consider Kouzmanoff an above average defender, certainly not a Gold Glove contender.
Yes, Kouzmanoff doesn’t make mistakes when he gets to balls, but he does get to balls like other third baseman. Ozzie Smith used to make errors, and Larry Bowa often made few errors. But as far as range, the two players weren’t close.
Fielding percentage is a poor measure of defensive ability. I thought everyone knew that. That theory was debunked in Bill James’ first abstract in 1977.
I was playing devils advocate
I would take Zimmerman hands down.
When I asked the question, it was in a rhetorical tone. I should have made that more clear. Your Bowa example is good.
Also, someone pointed out on the UT forum that if Fielding % is all that matters, then Adrian should not have won.
I agree that Zimmerman is the better defender.
But to say that Kouz isn’t even above average is just hating on the guy. According to UZR, UZR/150, and, obviously, Fld%, he’s definitely above average.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Nov 12, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
OK
so you are saying he is in the top 16 of active 3b
That's not what I said.
You said, “Respected defensive metrics don’t consider Kouzmanoff an above average defender.”
The defensive metrics I’ve looked at all say he’s an above average defender. Maybe the metrics I’m looking at aren’t as respected as the metrics you’re looking at.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Nov 12, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
I never said that!
I think you are confusing me with Brewer
Do not try and fool me, gypsy.
Seriously though, yes, I think he’s absolutely an “above average” fielder by any definition — whether you’re judging by stats, comparisons to other fielders, or just using your eyes and judging for yourself, I don’t know how anyone could say that he’s below average or even just average.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Nov 12, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Zimmerman from a defensive and offensive point of view
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 12, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Some idiot in espn.com thinks Pujols should have won over Adrian.
That’s really dumb.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 12, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions
Adrian was clearly better this year than Pujols.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 12, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'm glad Adrian won. He is an excellent fielder.
But Pujols is also an excellent fielder. He was the first baseman on the Fielding Bible Awards team:
The Fielding Bible Awards are respected, and the people who vote for them know more than the Gold Glove Award voters. I’m not saying Pujols is better, but to say that he is better is not a controversial or crazy opinion. It is a reasonable one.
How does this work?
Kouzmanoff has a better fielding percentage than Zimmerman; therefore everyone is an idiot for not voting for Kouz.
Pujols has a better fielding percentage than Adrian, and everyone is an idiot to consider Pujols?
You can’t have it both ways.
I think the Gold Glove voting got it right in both cases.
That's what I'm saying.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 12, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Oh and here all this time I thought you were saying
you want Adrian traded and you like insulting 14 year old girls for typos. Have you no shame Maestro????
Insulting 14 year old girls for typos?
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed you did.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 12, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Here ya go....
Maybe since he’s never “hears” of them
he should find out what they are before criticizing.
by maestro876 on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 AM PST
I was unaware that was a 14 year old.
I think I’ve been unintentionally giving myself a bad name around here. I’m not intending to come off this way. I think maybe I should take a break for a bit and try to tone myself down.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
The important thing is they know your name
It’s better than being confused for another user. Some people can’t tell jbox and Dex apart.
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Some people?
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 13, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'll believe it
when Darren Smith produces a picture of jbox.
"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThinGwynn on Nov 14, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
If anyone can, Darren Smith can.
"I'm a Padre at heart. Always gonna root for the Padres. Twenty-five years [with this organization], how can't you? Next year I'm gonna be rooting like a son-of-a-gun for these guys and for Blackie ... I'm gonna be rooting for the next general manager here, rooting for the city, the fans, everybody. I think a lot of San Diego." -Kevin Towers
That's Drama's excuse.
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by TheThinGwynn on Nov 13, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
TWJMKS
(Jon Mark Karr, of course)
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Nov 13, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
KoooooooooooooooooooooooZ
OK let me get this strait the “Baseball Hall of Fame” gives kooz a phone call and YOU dont think he’s Gold Glove worthy because of flash? I remember when to be solid was enough. WOW! Kooz was robbed period! Oh and by the way just because you didnt know about kooz doesnt mean that each and every Pads fans and Baseball lovers didnt the guy can flat out play! Not the first time the Padres have been robbed because front office is in shambles.
Not the first time the Padres have been robbed because front office is in shambles.
So you’re saying it was Jeff Moorad & Tom Garfinkels fault Kouz didn’t win?? Hmmm…now I’ve heard everything.
by SDPads_1 on Nov 13, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we have now heard them all
East Coast bias – check
Bias against small markets – check
Only big sluggers win the award – check
Popularity contest – check
Gold Glove choices are dictated by 12 Jewish bankers living in Amsterdam – check
Fielding percentage is the most important stat in all of baseball – check
Fault of the Front Office – check
by strummer on Nov 14, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The HoF collected Schillings bloody sock
does he deserve a Golden Sock? I think not.
by jbox on Nov 13, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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