Adrian to Red Sox?
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 9:27 AM PDT
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So now that we've hired a Boston assistant as our GM, rumors are flying that it's only a matter of time before Adrian gets traded to the Red Sox. Even KT is getting in on the action:
He is a San Diego product and the Padres' one gate attraction, but they know they won't be able to afford Gonzalez when his contract runs out after his $5.5million option year in 2011. In order to get maximum return, the Padres probably will have to trade Gonzalez this winter. Either way, it will be about the most unpopular trade they could ever make. And no doubt, the first bidders at Hoyer's door will be the Red Sox, since he served as GM Theo Epstein's top assistant since 2004.
Sadly, the Padres must deal Gonzalez.
Revenue-sharing money simply isn't enough right now in their market, where a bad local TV package reaps only about $2million and they have $18 million a year in stadium debt. In addition, nobody knows how much it's costing new owner Jeff Moorad to complete his buyout of John Moores. "They're going to have a $40 million payroll for the foreseeable future," said recently fired Padres GM Kevin Towers, "and there's just no way they can devote half of that to one player. It's just a matter of when they decide to trade (Gonzalez)."
I really don't think this has to happen, and will be disappointed if it does.
But if it does in fact happen, what would you want in a trade for Adrian?
I'd want Clay Buchholz, Jacoby Ellsbury, Daniel Bard, plus prospects at minimum.
Thoughts?
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I highly doubt
The first thing a young, unproven GM does is come into a new organization and trade the face of the franchise. The earliest I can see this happening is next July. Though I think an extension is just as likely, if the team improves and Adrian will settle for less than Teix/Cabrera money.
by Dalton on Oct 27, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Therein lies the problem, though.
Is there any evidence Adrian would settle for less? He was worth nearly $30 million this year, and got paid what, $4 mill? Say you could get him to sign for $15 mill/year. That’s nearly half a $40 million payroll. Worth it?
There’s no guarantee Adrian will continue to improve or even stay the same. His highest value is RIGHT NOW, so if you ARE going to trade him, now is the time.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without a doubt worth 15 mil a year.
But I understand your point…I’m hoping payroll is up to 50-60 within the next few years. Spending that amount on an elite 1B makes a lot more sense than being the Twins, and spending it on a guy who pitches an inning every few games.
I’d also like to see another season of Blanks getting regular ABs to see what we have there.
by Dalton on Oct 27, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
It’s just that if you’re going to trade him, you have to do it NOW. You can’t wait, because there’s no guarantee Adrian will keep producing at the pace he has been, and that the Red Sox will still be willing to pay later on.
It’s a really tough decision. If you don’t trade him now, you’d better extend him, because you’re not likely to get more for him in the future than you are right now.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree that you have to do it now.
It’s not like he’s some fluky hitter who is going to fall off the face of the Earth in terms of performance. And if the Red Sox or some other team doesn’t want to pay a premium price for him down the line— oh well, worst case scenario, I guess we’re stuck with an awesome player for a couple of years, and then get a couple draft picks.
by Dalton on Oct 27, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's interesting
is that until this past season, Adrian’s value was fairly constant. From 2006-2008 his WAR was 3.9, 3.3, and 3.4. Then it nearly doubled in 2009 to 6.4.
2006-2008 Adrian is a good player, but not nearly as good as 2009 Adrian. So if he goes out there in 2010 and has about 3.5 WAR season, his trade value plummets and he’s not nearly as coveted.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Theo Epstein was just on 1090 and he said he doesn't expect to be making any trades
with Jed any time soon. He made a very good point saying that since he and Jed worked together for so long, they tend to value players the same, so it’d be very hard to get a trade done.
He also said that he has pictures from Jed’s bachelor party, so that may help in negotiations.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Oct 27, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he would admit any plans he did or didn't have.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does it have to be the Red Sox?
There’s plenty of teams out there in need of Adrian’s bat with gobs of money. Specifically, the Blue Jays, Mets and Rangers come to mind.
Also, when is the Cox deal up? If I was Moorad, I’d do everything I could to buy my way out of that deal. It’s the biggest disadvantage the Padres have. IMO, it’s literally killing the franchise. Less revenue equals less money for big name players equals less tickets sold equals even less money for the team. It’s kindof amazing that the Padres have been able to compete at all while being forced to be one of the lowest payrolls in baseball for so long.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The cox deal sux
but with no other true san diego sports channel who else is going to put together a better package for the rights to Padres games?
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Oct 27, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems the smartest thing to do would be for the Padres to create their own sports channel. There’s probably a legitimate reason not to do that though.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox Sports wants it
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by Axion on Oct 27, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would they create a fox sports san diego?
or would Padres games get bumped by Angel games?
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Oct 27, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd probably just still call it Fox Sports West
and Angels games and Padres games aren’t in the same territory, so they’re blacked out unless you pay for an extra package, so that’s never an issue. It just wouldn’t be on Channel 4.
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by Axion on Oct 27, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 28, 2009 4:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casualties
would be the entire CH4 staff. No Mud, no Scan, no Jenny Cavnar.
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by Axion on Oct 28, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am NOT good with that.
Scan is awesome, Jenny’s awesome, and Mud is ESPECIALLY awesome.
Although I think there could be a chance a potential Fox Sports channel would hire one or more of those guys.
by JollyWaffle on Oct 28, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like that idea
But I doubt it will happen.
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by Axion on Oct 28, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
does troy johnson still work for ch 4?
thats one cool dude
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by CurbEnthusiasm on Oct 28, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you telling me you don't watch the high school quiz show???
It’s like Jeopardy, but really terrible and sad.
BTW – Troy used to “date” one of my friends and I once beat him in a kegstand contest.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Oct 28, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats still on?
what is it called? brain wave?
i always wanted to be on there lol
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by CurbEnthusiasm on Oct 28, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Axion on Oct 28, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think that they'd hire most of the CH4 people...
At least Mud, Scan, and maybe Weisbarth?
Knowing how Fox does things though, they’d probably replace Jenny with a chick who knows nothing about baseball but looks like a porn star.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Oct 28, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I'm saying
I’d like to remain hopeful, but it’s a Fox affiliate.
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by Axion on Oct 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Red Sox
have the biggest need and the most to offer.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think “biggest need” is debatable. Youklis (1B) and Lowell (3B) are fine. DHs are that hard to find.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything I've read
says the Sox want Youkilis at 3B and want a true first baseman.
Lowell OPS’ed .811 and made $12.5 million.
Adrian OPS’ed .958 and made $3.1 million, and is signed for less than $5 million the next two years.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine what Adrian's numbers would be
in that ballpark, protected by that lineup.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez dude
sounds like you’re daydreaming about the idea of Adrian going to Boston.
"Get on board early," Black said, alluding to, what he feels, is a crop of up-and-coming players.
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by The Kipper on Oct 27, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not.
I’m just pointing out why I think that deal would make the most sense.
I hope he doesn’t get traded.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have
links to everything you’ve read?
At least, the true first baseman part. Youkilis has been arguably better defensively than Adrian.
http://thesacrificebunt.com/
by R. Lankford on Oct 27, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been a while Ray.
I’m probably remembering wrong anyway.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm remembering
from back in the summer from when we went through this before. All the talking heads and trade rumor articles seemed focused around the idea that the Red Sox really wanted him so they could move Youk permanently to 3B and have another left-handed power bat at first base.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2009
Youkilis and Adrian had the exact same UZR. Though that’s not the only measure of defense.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I realize that Adrian has had worse years in terms of UZR
but so has Youkilis. In fact looking at both of them, I think it’s clear that UZR is wildly variable one year to the next.
For Youkilis from 2006-2009, his UZR at 1B was 0.6, 8.6, 2.5, 4.3.
For Adrian in the same span: 7.2, -3.0, -6.6, 4.3.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure the Red Sox have the most to offer?
Have you thoroughlty analyzed every possible trade situation out there?
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by The Kipper on Oct 27, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't thoroughly analyzed anything.
Just walking through what everyone says is the most likely scenario.
I’m not saying I want this to happen. Just talking about it.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm remembering
from back in the summer from when we went through this before. All the talking heads and trade rumor articles seemed focused around the idea that the Red Sox really wanted him so they could move Youk permanently to 3B and have another left-handed power bat at first base.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore this.
Should have been a reply to Ray. I put it up there.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And until this year
the payroll wasn’t that low. 2008 was actually the largest in club history, in the $80 million range.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the 2008 payroll as $42,796,700.
2007 – $58,110,567
2006 – $69,896,141
2005 – $63,290,833
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the end of the year
after various players were traded/cut. Opening day payroll was $73.6 million.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cox deal is done after the 2011 season (two more years).
FSN West gave the Angels $500mil for 10 years (‘07-’16). I doubt we’d get that kind of scratch, but the fact that FSN just signed a recent deal with FSN sort of precludes the possibility that we’d get an FSN deal.
I think the problem is going to be finding someone to bid against Cox for the next contract.
Maybe Versus will be hungry to get a piece of a legitimate sports team? I could see that happening.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Oct 27, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think FSN would do it anyway
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by Axion on Oct 27, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But aren't we on the same feed as the FSN that carries the Angels games?
What I mean is… doesn’t everyone who gets FSN West get the same programming? Is it even possible for them to show Pads games in our market on FSN West and Angels games in LA on the same channel?
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Oct 27, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Versus is owned by Comcast, which would make for an annoying situation for all non-Comcast customers.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 28, 2009 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do any cable systems around here not get Versus?
I have Time Warner and get it.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Oct 28, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re at war with DirecTV. They decided they were going to ask for an exorbitant amount of money to have Versus on DirecTV to make DTV look like the bad guy for not having hockey and whatever else is on Versus. It wouldn’t be a good solution for us long-distance fans.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 29, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh... cable/satellite executives, they really know how to make customers hate their effin' guts.
“We’re already making money hand over fist by operating a legal collusion… but we haven’t gotten consumers to ‘death threat’ level anger. What can we do to make people really, really hate us?”
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Oct 29, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets, Blue Jays and Rangers?
I think it’s highly unlikely that any of those teams could afford trading for Adrian because:
Mets: depleted farm system so no chips.
Blue Jays: Still out of contention for the coming 2-3 years and that Vernon Wells contract (the worst in baseball) is killing any possibility to extend him.
Rangers: They certainly have the package that could swing the deal but no financial flexibility to extend him and their best prospect (one of the top 5 in all the minors) is a 1st baseman (Justin Smoak)
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by radiohix on Oct 27, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no knowledge of prospects
I just picked 3 teams that have crappy 1st basemen and don’t hesitate to sign big money deals.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 28, 2009 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Padres traded Adrian to the Red Sox,
I would want a package that would hurt the sox in return. It would hurt the Padres, we all know that, it should hurt the sox as well. Something like Clay Buchholz/Casey Kelly/
Stolmy Pimentel with one of Westmoreland/Kalish.
by AirmanSD on Oct 27, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From what I'm hearing is that
the Sox FO actually value Kelly more than Buchholz and yes, Kalish defense would be awesome in PETCO.
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by radiohix on Oct 27, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I would hate to see Adrian go, it makes sense. Boston needs a first baseman. Jacoby Ellisburry, would be a good fit, and the padres need some starting pitching. Kyle Blanks is not a true outfielder, and Kevin Youkilis is not really a true 1b. Mike Lowell is getting older, and not as productive as they might have hoped. I could see a situation where Adrian and Kouz are dealt for Jacoby, some and some pitching, and the Pads put their prospect 1b and 3b, Blanks and Headley at their actual positions and pick up some speed in the outfield. They do have a few guys in the farm who have some speed in OF, and Hoyer spoke to the idea that consistency from A to AAA to ML needed to address the aspects of our ballpark.
by jp reed on Oct 27, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why people are so enamored with Jacoby Ellsbury.
He’s Anthony Gwynn Jr with basestealing ability. Not to say that he’s bad but I don’t see him making a real big impact.
by theodore donald kerabatsos on Oct 27, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Ellsbury is a little bit better than Chris Gwynn's nephew
just a little though
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by CurbEnthusiasm on Oct 27, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no
He’s Native American (Navajo).
by parvulesco on Oct 28, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hits better
and is younger with more room to grow.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
twss
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the quote is true
and all this is about is money (big surprise); whether it be salary now or in the future, bad local tv package, stadium debt, the sale/divorce etc… they probably will trade him more sooner than later but not for 3 players that are going to equal his salary! We are going to get unknown prospects, again. :(
They’ll expect MLB and the visiting Sawks, Cubs, LADouches fans to pick up the difference if our fans won’t…
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by ABY on Oct 27, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hi evreybody
A Red Sox fan here. I think that the Padres will not trade Adrian this off season: Hoyer won’t start his tenure by trading his star player even if that means retooling the farm system. Like any competent GM, he’ll have to do an extensive analysis of the team’s roster, financial resources, state of the farm system and state of the opposition which will take him a long time before building an action plan for the short and the long term.
It’s in his best interest to sell during the season and not after it (See Riccardi attempt to trade Halladay and Texas-Atlanta trade) because team in contention and looking for the “missing piece” (due to injuries, suspensions and slumps of key players) will overpay to get him, in few words He’ll get leverage: If the seeking teams are willing to pay, fine! if they don’t, he’s still under contract for another year and he could try to ship during the next off-season but for a lesser package (See the Santana trade) or the draft picks if nothing pans out.
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by radiohix on Oct 27, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Red Socks fan (ew cooties!) what do you guys know about Hoyer?
Did he play an active role that fans knew about or was he a more behind the scenes guy?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A rational Red Sox fan?
I’m calling Shenanigans!
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Oct 28, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Towers quote
was removed from the article.
by jbox on Oct 28, 2009 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that.
Someone went “Whoops!”
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 28, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, no it hasn't.
I clicked the link you posted in “Around the Mission” and it says the exact same thing. KT quote and all.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 28, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the page is cached for you
it’s not there for me.
by jbox on Oct 28, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn't surprise me.
My computer sucks.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 28, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so let's look at it from this perpsective.
If we don’t trade Adrian, to re-sign him we’ll have to pay between $15-20 million per year for him. Let’s say $18 million.
If we assume about a $50 million payroll in 2012, that would mean Adrian takes up 36% of your payroll, and leaves $32 million to build the rest of the team around him.
This would last at least 5 years. Are you comfortable with that?
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 28, 2009 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
the payroll is going to keep going up, and if some prospects pan out it can be done on the cheap with out signing many free agents
Big kid tested, mother fucker approved
by CurbEnthusiasm on Oct 28, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does our young talent continue?
Do we continue to have good drafts?
Did we trade Kouz and Bell for something useful?
How does the NL West look over the next few years?
Do any of a thousand other things happen/not happen?
I think you are worried about the team sucking and making bad decisions over the next few years, and then having a fat contract hanging on its next for the next decade. I can’t say I blame you. But I think Adrian is the real deal, and could easily hit like, say, a healthy Carlos Delgado for the next several years.
Bottom line (and it’s been said many times before): there’s no reason to trade the guy (or not extend him, reasonably) unless the trade is CLEARLY a net benefit for the Pads.
by Dalton on Oct 28, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also concerned about their ability to build a team.
It’s similar to the Peavy situation, where having one player take up such a significant portion of your salary makes it a lot more difficult to get things done.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 28, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats when we had the gunslinger for a gm...
Big kid tested, mother fucker approved
by CurbEnthusiasm on Oct 28, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A big part of this question
is how close do you really think you are to competing. There are legitimate baseball minds who think this team is years away still. If that’s in fact the case, then you can’t justify keeping him, and it’s far better to exchange him for a couple young, controllable players and a bunch of prospects.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 28, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I think with the right economical FA signings, a little luck, and an All Star 1B (which we luckily already have), this team could contend within the next 2-3 years.
by Dalton on Oct 28, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this plan
I like the idea of it being Adrian’s team.
I also don’t really want to go back to the times when 1thru9 equaled zero threats at all. Adrian will make things easier on the young guys coming up and could turn into a great leader.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 29, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Continue" to have good drafts?
What have you been watching? We haven’t had a first-rounder pan out since… hm… when?
The last several guys- Dykstra, Tate, Antonelli, Carrillo- have either been inconsistent, unable to get on the field, or injury-plagued. Bush and Burroughs were infamous washes.
I do like some of the deep-round talent we’ve picked up, I’ll give you that.
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Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 31, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it really fair to include tate in there?
he was JUST drafted.
Agree about Dykstra, Carillo, Antonelli and Schmidt
by TheAxManCometh on Nov 2, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two cents.
It’s justifiable to pay Adrian what he’s worth if you’re extending the payroll to 50-80 mil; not so much if you’re not going to spend some cash. But I think that if we manage to keep him for somewhat cheaper— especially a cheap extension— we will be headed in a winning direction. Look at what could very possibly be the Opening Day roster next year (this is before ANY offseason player moves get made mind you):
1B: Adrian
2B: Area of concern. Edgar has the job for now, but if Antonelli comes along he could take it by midseason.
SS: Everth Cabrera.
3B: Kouz
LF: Area of concern. Chase Headley is a strikeout machine with questionable range. I may be better to play Blanks here.
CF: Anthony Gwynn.
RF: Will Venable.
ROTATION:
#1: Chris Young
#2: Mat Latos
#3: Clayton Richard
- and #5: Areas of concern. Up for grabs— could be Tim Stauffer, maybe Carrillo will make an impact this year, plus one of the guys from the Hairston deal.
BULLPEN:
LR: Cla Meredith, other guys like Clay Hensley
SU: Luke Gregorson
CL: Heath Bell
Damn good lineup, in my opinion.
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Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 31, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please correct to read #4 and #5
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 31, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm...
Eck is our 2B and we don’t have any Cla(y)s any more.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Nov 1, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Whoops.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What it would take to get AGone
Daniel Bard
Clay Buccholz
Josh Reddick
+ 2 more mid level prospects
by TheAxManCometh on Nov 2, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's a really crappy deal
For the Padres.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Nov 2, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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