Brewers' Macha contacts Hoffman

by jbox on Jan 6, 2009 1:59 PM PST Comment 39 comments

So it is possible! Look at that, all you have to do to contact Hoffman is... actually try. Amazing!

When Macha learned that general manager Doug Melvin was talking again with the agent for the all-time saves leader, he asked Melvin for permission to call Hoffman himself. Hoffman was vacationing with his family in Hawaii, but returned that call on Saturday.

"I gave him a compliment on his career, and his professionalism," Macha said Tuesday

Macha did something our entire Front Office couldn't do, but let's be honest they didn't want to contact him

Remember when Alderson said that the Padres would make an effort to contact Hoffman? He was asked why somebody didn't just pick up the phone and call him, instead of "back channel efforts".

Alderson says that his point is well taken and "more direct efforts have been made and will be made."

Good times.

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Hoffman was vacationing with his family in Hawaii, but returned that call on Saturday.

If his agent is also his secretary then we know why Trevor’s not returning certain calls.

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by Axion on Jan 6, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

why Trevor’s not returning certain calls

According to Sandy Alderson, and i think that is what you are referring to, Sandy has yet to call Trevor.

but of course that is the ****ing arsehole that is Trevor Hoffman’s fault, right?

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by wrveres on Jan 6, 2009 4:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Are you feeling okay?

Because it says pretty clearly right there

Alderson says that his point is well taken and “more direct efforts have been made and will be made.”

That’s what’s according to Sandy Alderson; which is the opposite of what you just tried to imply he said.

Trevor’s off gallivanting across the globe, otherwise he wouldn’t be returning calls, he’d be receiving them. Right?

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by Axion on Jan 6, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

yes

but Alderson has been saying that for over a month now, and according to his last radio interview, still hasn’t spoken to the guy.

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by wrveres on Jan 6, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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by Wonko on Jan 6, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Too many GMs!

I’m imagining every day in the Padres front office is the “Doctor? Doctor.” scene from Spies Like Us.

by Dex on Jan 6, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

one of the greatest movie scenes of all time

pooping not

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by justdave on Jan 6, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Last time I checked

The Padres only have 1 GM. They have ex-GMs that fill other very important roles. Saying they have too many is like saying a team has too many #1 starters.

by Wonko on Jan 6, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that GM your talking about

could be the most powerless GM in baseball. Sure it says GM on his business card, but in reality Sandy Alderson makes the decisions around here, with input from his blogger friend, who by the way, doesn’t report to the GM. And to be honest with you, I kind of like it.

I grant you that both Alderson and DePodesta are both better baseball men/minds than Towers. Towers best skills are working the phones, the clubhouse, and making coffee. Alderson had enough sense to see that, and took “decision making” away from the guy.

Towers has even gotten a little love for his ability to build a bullpen, (whooptee doo) but the jury is still out on that too. I’d just assume give the credit to his manager, and ex catcher, for getting the most out out of what trash he was given.

One things for sure though, if Towers was still running the show, Hoffman would have been signed already, that is a given.

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This post is laughable

Alderson does not do KT’s job for him.

And why don’t you think that DePo doesn’t report to KT? Are you calling him a liar? He recently said on his blog that the idea of him going around the GM is ridiculous.

by Wonko on Jan 7, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you think KT

can sign any player he wants, within budget of course, right now? No way. Sandy gets the final yes or no. KT would have already signed Hoffman. that’s a given.

And no doubt Depo works WITH KT, but he doesn’t report to him. He reports directly to Alderson.

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes the General Manager has a budget

But that doesn’t mean that Alderson makes decisions for KT. He just gets the final say, which is true for every CEO in all of baseball. Towers didn’t get the final say with Lucchino or Vizas. I don’t see why this makes Sandy special.

by Wonko on Jan 7, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it takes 2

to both tango and talk on the phone wrveres.

by SDPads_1 on Jan 6, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

but can they do it while chewing gum?

by Wonko on Jan 6, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What we don

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by Axion on Jan 6, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

failpost redux

What we don’t see is Trevor asking, “Hey Sandy, where’s my phone call?”

He’s just quietly ignoring while his agent entertains other offers to fatten his cut. He’s been doing that the whole time.

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by Axion on Jan 6, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yep

that whopping 25 grand the agent is going to get, it was sure worth it i bet.

For an extra 25 grand the agent alienated his client from from his hometown team, his entire fan base, and possibly other clients, once word gets out. I mean what player would sign with an agent who would go against your wishes, and your dream of finishing your Hall of Fame career with the same team, sabotage it all for an extra 25 grand.

as was pointed out …

“the guy has lived here for a considerable amount of time, his brother works on the same team as him, his wife has a shop here, his kids go to school here but because the Padres wouldn’t give him more money he tells the media it’s 99 to 1 he’ll be gone…..what an a-hole. Dude you’re 42 and you have the Padres to thank for a lot of your shiny cars and houses I think you need to be the one showing some respect.”

the sad part is there are obviously people out there that believe that crap. Nevermind Trevor always took less money to stay here …

.. all for an extra 25 grand .. gotcha.

Heck Trevor Hoffman should sue him for malpractice.

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Really are you sure about that?

He really took less money to stay in San Diego? Really? Are you sure about that or are you just assuming this? Because a lot of people assume stuff about the Padres and 99% of the time they are way off. Being that your logo is an upside down SD I’m assuming that is your final answer? Alright I’ll tell you the truth then……

First of all Trevor was traded to the Padres from the Marlins in 1993 as a 25 year old rookie. He was originally signed to 1 year deals for ‘93 (109,000), ’94 (180,000), ’95 (315,000) & ’96 (955,000)…which is obviously the norm for young guys like that and he was still receiving a decent raise every year. In ’97 he signed a 3 year extension for 9.2 million. Keep in mind he still has yet to reach free agency through all this. In ’97 he made 1.5 million, in ’98 he made 2.925 million & in ’99 he made 4.775 million. All this time Trevor is as happy as can be being paid towards the top in relievers. But then in 2000 the Padres came calling again….Trevor we want to sign you to an extension again…no-no not just any extension but we want to make you the HIGHEST PAID RELIEVER. Yes it’s true my friends the Padres made Trevor the HIGHEST PAID RELIEVER at that time signing him to a 4 year 32 million contract with a 10 million option in ‘04. Yes Trevor is living large and has always been paid what he deserved. The Padres have taken care of him and he’s taken care of the Padres. He made 6 million in ‘00, 6 million in ’01, 6 million in ’02 (with a 3 million bonus thrown in) & 9 million in ’03. Yeah the same ’03 in which he pitched a total of 9 whole games. So with that the Padres didn’t pick up his 10 million option and bought him out for 2 million. For once Trevor didn’t get his way and he didn’t like it. Why because they didn’t want to pay a 36 year old reliever coming off major surgery 10 million? After paying him a million per game the previous year I don’t blame them one bit for declining. But of course this won’t stop Trevor he decides to talk to the media a bit and eventually re-signs for a 1 year 2.5 million deal with a 5 million option for 2005 that they would pick up. Which takes us to the wonderful off-season of 2005-2006. This is where we see truly what Trevor has become. He goes to the media on a daily basis complaining about not having a contract. Then Thurman tells Trevor to go clean out his locker but get this there is a catch. They called the media to attend this so they could get pictures of the whole thing so people would read the paper the next morning and feel sorry for their Trevor. SIGHHHH. He then uses the Indians as a decoy to wager against the Padres to increase his salary. Eventually the 2 sides agree to a 2 year deal with an option. He makes 5 million in ‘06, 6.5 million in ’07 & his option is picked up for ’08 at 7.5 million. Which obviously takes us into this off-season which I don’t think I need to go into because this post is long enough as it is.

by SDPads_1 on Jan 7, 2009 7:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you honestly think

Rick Thurman only makes ½ a percent of the deals he makes? That must be why you’re having such a hard time understanding this….

Forget about the numbers you’re inventing for a second, and think of it like this:
Rick Thurman is only going to make about half as much money as he did on Trevor’s previous contracts.

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by Axion on Jan 7, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

him maing an extra 25 grand

is bad math?
he was already going to get his cut on 4 million, so yeah, he was destroying everything for an extra 25 grand, give or take a few grand

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're still short

a few hundred thousand dollars.

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by Axion on Jan 7, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

your right i am

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i stand corrected.

my math is right.

Granted I am no accountant, but if the standard agent rates apply here, 5%, then its $50 grand for every million ..

So anything above the $4 million is extra and its going to be closer to 25,000 grand versus few hundred thousand dollars ..

right?

where am i off?

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

5% of 3.5 million

(the difference)

is $175,000.

With $4m, he would make $200,000 at 5%.

If he got $7.5m again, he would have made $375,000 at 5%.

Obviously he feels that much of a pay cut is unwarranted.

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by Axion on Jan 7, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

well there you go.

i wasn’t basing my figure off of last years salary. I was basing it on what he was going to make this year. If you think that he was going to get 7 million again, then the padres were only embarrassing themselves by offering 4

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by wrveres on Jan 8, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

HAHA

Damn Trevor….always gallivanting across the globe.

by SDPads_1 on Jan 6, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

can he be traipsing too?

my grandfather would be so pleased, god rest his soul.

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by justdave on Jan 6, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

its pretty obvious ..

Sandy Alderson wants nothing to do with Trevor Hoffman. You all can keep drinking the XX sports koolaid, and blame his agent. I don’t care.

The facts of the matter are, Alderson made a “decision” to not keep Trevor. He just doesn’t have the balls to come out and say it, cus he knows he will get killed at the turnstile. It’s already going to be bad for the guy, admission would only make it worse.

"I’d say there has been no change in our position," said Padres CEO Sandy Alderson Tuesday. "We’ve not renewed the offer at this point. That’s as succinct as I can be."

"As far I know," Alderson said, "(General Manager) Kevin (Towers) and Trevor’s agent have not spoken for some time."

Heck, Alderson probably made the decision last winter at the same time he was contemplating trading away his newly minted CY Young winner. The least Sandy could have done was given Hoffman a going away something or other. What a coward.

“Oh oh oh oh, we are not going to offer him a contract cus,cus cus his agent spoke to the press”

What a frigging douche.

Nevermind his “GM” was trading their ace pitcher, VIA THE MEDIA, at the same friggin time.

orange koolaid anybody?

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 1:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I like the purple Kool Aid the best!!

HAHA He made a freaking offer of 4 million with an option and Trevor and his agent just let it sit there for over 4 weeks without saying anything. No decline, no counter, no accept. All they said is they wanted to talk to Moores. Notice how I say “THEY” as in Trevor Hoffman and Rick Thurman. Why is an agent trying to get involved in talking to an owner if his client “just wants to talk to Moores to see the direction of the team”. Sandy said in his 1090 interview shortly after the offer was pulled that he gladly said they could sit down and talk with him & KT and they would try answering all his questions and if they couldn’t they would attempt to take that next step. Well step one was never taken because the Hoffman camp wanted to go directly over everyones head. Of course the Hoffman camp went straight to the media once again even after it was agreed that it would be handled behind closed doors. I personally think Sandy wants nothing to do with him “NOW” but if he had this evil diabolical plan that you speak of where he made a decision a long time ago not to bring Trevor back this year is ridiculous they wouldn’t have offered him a contract that was pretty close to what Trevor should be making next year.

by SDPads_1 on Jan 7, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What's obvious

is your blind love for Trevor and hatred for the FO that clouds you on this issue.

Sandy Alderson wants nothing to do with Trevor Hoffman. You all can keep drinking the XX sports koolaid, and blame his agent. I don’t care.

False speculation. The answer we were looking for is “Sandy Alderson wants nothing to do with Barry Bonds.” You can tell because he’s never extended him an offer.

Heck, Alderson probably made the decision last winter at the same time he was contemplating trading away his newly minted CY Young winner.

Again, false speculation. Nobody wanted to trade Jake and if there wasn’t a divorce or Jake didn’t want to leave, it never would have been mentioned.

"Oh oh oh oh, we are not going to offer him a contract cus,cus cus his agent spoke to the press"

False. The offer was taken back for liability reasons once Trevor ignored it and filed for free agency.

Nevermind his "GM" was trading their ace pitcher, VIA THE MEDIA, at the same friggin time.

False. It was reported by the media, nothing was negotiated through the media. Towers was clear about who he had spoken to directly about Jake, and at no point did those people go to the media to send a message to the Padres’ front office.

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by Axion on Jan 7, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs

me thinks

you haven’t been paying attention. “the train has left the station”.

Trevor Hoffman said he was coming back from Puerto Rico, yes Puerto Rico, the place he was visiting for 2 of those 4 infamous weeks, and the front office knew this, to sign the contract and that the offer was pulled without warning, because they caught word he was going to accept it. Is Hoffman the liar? Around here I guess I should expect nothing less. That big meanie Trevor Hoffman is also a liar now. Great stuff. Next we will find out he beat his kids I guess. Slept with a few of you all’s sisters, something. The irrational hatred for the padre players, and the irrational level that people will go to drink every last drop of koolaid this front office is puts out there, is shocking.

Common wisdom is that the padres wanted a counter to the 4 million, so that they could pull the offer and paint him as greedy. Turns out, they got to paint him as greedy anyways. Ask any kolaid guy how greedy Trevor is. And what liability is there, other than him accepting, in having an offer made? None. zip. Sandy wanted nothing to do with Hoffman. The fact that they have refused to speak to him for months now, is telling.

And yes, there was a report a week or so back that Alderson wanted to trade Jake last winter. Maybe i am misremembering i, but i am pretty sure that’s what was reported in the UT.

oh, and I don’t hate this front office, i have laid that out before.

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So flawed it's not even funny.

Trevor Hoffman said he was coming back from Puerto Rico, yes Puerto Rico, the place he was visiting for 2 of those 4 infamous weeks, and the front office knew this, to sign the contract and that the offer was pulled without warning, because they caught word he was going to accept it. Is Hoffman the liar?

Trevor Hoffman had the offer sitting on the table for weeks. He ignored it and filed for free agency instead. The offer was then revoked so the team could continue to entertain other deals.

(you rant about koolaid)

Speculative fantasy based on false casual reasoning.

Common wisdom

i lol’d

is that the padres wanted a counter to the 4 million, so that they could pull the offer and paint him as greedy.

That’s what you think when you’ve demonized someone.

Turns out, they got to paint him as greedy anyways. Ask any kolaid guy how greedy Trevor is.

Who ever said the word “greed”?

And what liability is there, other than him accepting, in having an offer made? None. zip. Sandy wanted nothing to do with Hoffman.

They’d be forced to honor the offer even if they were in the works or had completed another deal in the meantime. They’re effectively handcuffed with a stale offer on the table.

The fact that they have refused to speak to him for months now, is telling.

False.

Alderson said he spoke with Hoffman briefly since the offer was pulled, but that was a few weeks ago.

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by Axion on Jan 7, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you really do dispise the guy

i find that shocking.

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 8:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I was a fan

but the first round of contract negotiations kind of soured me a bit but I got over it. Then there was how outspoken he was when Linebrink was dealt which I got past too. But this round of contract negotiations have finally put me over the hump. Enough is enough. Like I said earlier I think he can still contribute on the field but I’m sick of the off field antics so I could care less either way if he is here or not. I really hated how his camp called 1090 to spread false rumors too. I understand your frustration with the front office when it comes to certain other things but this isn’t the first time Trevor has acted like this.

by SDPads_1 on Jan 7, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the jury is still out on the linebrink trade

it looked like a fleecing at first glance, but with any trade involving prospects, time will tell.
I do know this, we certainly could have used Linebrink over the last season and a half, and the prospects we got back have done nothing to this point.

But hey, to each there own. I don’t think I have ever met anybody that can’t stand Trevor Hoffman. There are a few that might have been frustrated with his play over the last season or two, but down right dislike … that’s a new one for me.

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by wrveres on Jan 7, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I hate how people assume that if you don't trade someone they magically wouldn't become a free agent

If the Padres don’t trade Linebrink they still wouldn’t have had him in 2008. If you want to evaluate the trade fairly you have to judge Linebrink’s 07 season, post trade and the draft picks the Brewers picked up for him (Evan Fredrickson and Seth Lintz) vs Steve Garrison, Will Inman and Joe Thatcher. IIRC numbers-wise Thatcher’s 07 out produced Linebrink’s 07. However, Thatcher was so bad in 2008, that it may have canceled out that advantage. There is absolutely no reason to count Linebrink’s 08, 09 or any other numbers, because he wasn’t going to be a Padre especially not with some team wanting to pay him 4 years/$19 million. Even if the Padres had a $100 million payroll, I wouldn’t want them spending that kind of money on a reliever so I’ll live with the trade and we’ll find out the results in 5 or 6 years.

by Wonko on Jan 7, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs