Jake Peavy would consider options if the Padres aren't focused on winning

by jbox on Sep 27, 2008 11:50 PM PDT Comment 11 comments

"I want to be here, but I want to be here with a chance to win a World Series," Peavy said. "If someone says, 'Hey, we're going to rebuild, that's not going to be our top priority' you certainly would wonder what your other options are."

I agree with Jake, I want San Diego to win a World Series as well, but the only way this team is going to win a World Series now is if they rebuild. The team as it stands now is not going to cut it. They had talent but they had 162 games to put together something... a winning streak, a sweep of a heavily favored opponent, hell even a moral victory and that never happened. This team can't win anything. We must rebuild.

But...

I agree with Jake and this is what I was trying to say the other day but I don't think I got my point across very well.

"The biggest thing I think we want to see, is what direction is this team going to go," Peavy said. "I'm concerned as anybody. This is the team I chose to be part of. I chose to stay here. This is all I've really known. I want to win here. I want to win in this city. This is where I want to be and where I want it to happen. ... I'm tired of the word competitive being used around the San Diego Padres. We want to win. We don't want a competitive September. We want to win in October."

The Padres need to stop kicking around this "staying competitive" talk and stop trying to live off the "success" they had in 2004-2007. Those were not teams you could be proud of.

Alderson was quoted as saying this:

"From an overall team standpoint, we expect to get back to our level of play in recent years – or better."

Or better? Why can't we make the goal of being better than those teams? Our goal should be to be the best!

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Sweeps of heavily favored opponents

4 game sweep of the Mets (Pelfrey, Santana, Ollie & Pedro) June 5th-8th

3 game sweep of the D-Backs (Haren, Webb & Johnson) August 25th-27th

There does that make you feel a little better??

by SDPads_1 on Sep 28, 2008 8:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Amen, Pastor Peavy

Shout it out loud brotherman! Let’s win the World Championship!!!

A competitive attitude is what you want your little league league team to have. A winning attitude translates into a championship.
Peavy wants to achieve greatness. In San Diego. He chose to be here. He wants to win here. It takes dudes like Peavy on your team to win it all. The only thing the FO and the coaches can do for you is make you competitive. It’s the players , who have to really want to win.

by The Kipper on Sep 28, 2008 9:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Tim Mcclelland killed the Padres.

People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power.

by sdsuaztec4 on Sep 28, 2008 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

How about the 2006 Cardinals?

Were their 83 wins “successful” enough? They were?

Care to define what “success” is if you know what it isn’t?

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by Melvin Nieves on Sep 28, 2008 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Easy

they won the World Series, that’s success. They won games in the playoffs, that’s success.

by jbox on Sep 28, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They won the world series with 83 regular season wins.

But how do you plan for that, is the question at hand. And the one you haven’t answered.

It seems self evident that if the Cardinals win 83 games in the regular season win the world series, and the Yankees win 97 in the regular season and are out in the first round of the playoffs that regular season wins don’t correlate well with playoff wins. Which is why the Padres have defined their goals as making the post season.

And you have yet to define what you what a “successful” means in terms of team building. How do you do it? What’s your philosophy?

Of course it’s easy, as you say, to define what you want in terms of outcome. It’s easy to say I want a million dollars. It’s easy to watch someone hit at 17, see a 4 and say that’s success. But that isn’t analysis. That’s laziness.

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by Melvin Nieves on Sep 28, 2008 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You're getting off topic

My point was that trying to recreate teams from 2004-2007, while they might be able to win the NL West with a relatively low number of wins but are unprepared to win in play off series against superior teams isn’t a goal that players or fans are too keen on. The 2006 team if it had remained healthy might have competed at that level, but we don’t know.

If you were happy with the outcome of those seasons than I envy you.

If that Cardinal team had been beaten in the first round of the playoffs, I don’t think the Cardinals would have considered the season a success either. They certainly wouldn’t be telling fans that their goal was to make a similar performing team.

by jbox on Sep 28, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Talk is cheap.

Alderson could say “Oh, we’re winning the World Series” next year and it doesn’t mean anything. Just like it doesn’t mean anything if he says “We want to emulate the success of the 04-07 teams.” What does matter is that our players try not to go out and give up six runs in a do-or-die game.

by R. Lankford on Sep 28, 2008 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure what you're arguing

In your most recent post at SacBunt, you’re basically saying the same thing. These were makeshift teams in Petco Park and hardly teams that we could truly be proud of. You’re talking on both sides of the coin.

by Dex on Sep 29, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It can be both. They can be makeshift teams that were put on the field to win. They wouldn’t have given up X for Cameron or given $10M to Maddux if they weren’t trying to win. The fact that they were able to scrap together a team like this and regularly lead them past 80 wins is great.

by R. Lankford on Sep 29, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs